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    Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    November 2011 statistics - Germany:

    Panamera  -  393 cars

    Mercedes S class  -  366 cars

    BMW 7 series  -  294 cars

    Audi A8/S8  -  311 cars

    Bentley Continental  -  15 cars

    Mercedes CLS  -  532 cars

    Jaguar XJ  -  29 cars

    Keep in mind that the new generation Mercedes CLS just came out and I suppose many dealer cars appear in this statistics. If you take this into consideration, the Panamera is indeed the best selling car in it's segment.  I'm also surprised about the BMW 7 series, pretty weak, especially since BMW offers tons of attractive lease and financing offers. Most sold Panamera model is, apparently, the...Diesel.

    The Panamera sold even better before November. Impressive for a car which many people thought it would not sell at all, especially not in Germany.


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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    The most sold "luxury car" in the 1st quarter 2012 in Switzerland... Porsche Panamera with 88 cars.

    http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/25891328


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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    CLS is in a different (significantly lower) price bracket to Panamera.


    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    sfo:

    CLS is in a different (significantly lower) price bracket to Panamera.

    I don't know...a fully optioned CLS 63 AMG is over 150 k EUR.  Smiley


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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    RC:

    November 2011 statistics - Germany:

    Panamera  -  393 cars

    Mercedes S class  -  366 cars

    BMW 7 series  -  294 cars

    Audi A8/S8  -  311 cars

    Bentley Continental  -  15 cars

    Mercedes CLS  -  532 cars

    Jaguar XJ  -  29 cars

    Keep in mind that the new generation Mercedes CLS just came out and I suppose many dealer cars appear in this statistics. If you take this into consideration, the Panamera is indeed the best selling car in it's segment.  I'm also surprised about the BMW 7 series, pretty weak, especially since BMW offers tons of attractive lease and financing offers. Most sold Panamera model is, apparently, the...Diesel.

    The Panamera sold even better before November. Impressive for a car which many people thought it would not sell at all, especially not in Germany.

    Ha there you have it! - can you remember two years ago? You didn´t want to believe  that the Panamera would be successful in Germany.


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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    I have to admit I was wrong. frown  I really didn't like the exterior and I still don't like it too much but since everybody else seems to love this car, especially females yes, I kind of bit the bullet and went for it.

    I still don't understand why someone would buy a Panamera Diesel but the Turbo/Turbo S and especially the bargain GTS, are very fine cars, indeed.

     


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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    RC:
    sfo:

    CLS is in a different (significantly lower) price bracket to Panamera.

    I don't know...a fully optioned CLS 63 AMG is over 150 k EUR.  Smiley

     but a base CLS (£47k) is in a much lower price bracket than a base Panamera (£61k) .. at least in the UK.


    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    True but the target customer audience should be the same... 

    I actually like the new CLS a lot but I'm afraid that the too stylish exterior could be a burden in a couple of years. Look at the previous CLS, I can't really look at it anymore.


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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    RC:

    Look at the previous CLS, I can't really look at it anymore.

     the original CLS is a thing of beauty, especially mine:

     

     


    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    sfo:
    RC:

    Look at the previous CLS, I can't really look at it anymore.

     the original CLS is a thing of beauty, especially mine:

     

     

    I am not a fan of CLS - the new one looks nice but only the front. The old I don´t like it. 


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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    The orig CLS is a classic and for these days I would have to put the Audi S7 at the top of this pack of choices.


    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    racerx:

    The orig CLS is a classic and for these days I would have to put the Audi S7 at the top of this pack of choices.

    You should see how many unsold CLS my local Mercedes dealer has sitting on his parking lot.  Smiley

    It was an interesting concept and the new one looks very nice but like I said before, I'm afraid the too stylish look will be a curse in a couple of years.


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    I love the original CLS.. the design is different yet very Mercedes. I think it will age well and become a cool classic MB.

    So for the figures, congrats to Porsche for pulling it off! Also, I was surprised that the A8?S8 scored so high. I remember always being way off target compared to 7er and S-class. Guessing they also increased sales of it with the newer model.

     


    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    Atzporsche:

    I love the original CLS.. the design is different yet very Mercedes. I think it will age well and become a cool classic MB.
     

    RC, both ATZ and I like the original CLS, not generation 2.0 and I guess those are the versions sitting on dealer lots. The original will be thought of just like this someday and I see a lot of the design influences from the original CLS on the newest E class and others. It was really something new when it first came out.

     

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    racerx:
    Atzporsche:

    I love the original CLS.. the design is different yet very Mercedes. I think it will age well and become a cool classic MB.
     

    RC, both ATZ and I like the original CLS, not generation 2.0 and I guess those are the versions sitting on dealer lots. The original will be thought of just like this someday and I see a lot of the design influences from the original CLS on the newest E class and others. It was really something new when it first came out.

     

    1334949908702merc.jpg

    You  have here an MB 220 SE , no one CLS will be so classy. Also both are total different classes. This one could be a MB SL but not a CLS.


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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    I disagree with your point, the CLS said class to me, it's unique style at the time gave it something special and exclusive, very different but not outrageous.

    11b6915.jpg

             (and don't get me wrong here, we are talking MB not Porsche, none of these come close to a 928, but this a different discussion)

    see how the CLS curve and agressiveness has influenced the line-up, mainly focus on the upper curve from rear trunk to front light and the side body line also.

    2005 CLS

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    2012 E class

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    2005 e class

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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    I'm sorry but I can't look at the CLS anymore. My wife is in a similar position, she loved the CLS when it came out but she hates it now. The new CLS is even more stylish and very up-to-date, looking great but what about in five years or so? Only time will tell. The 220SE is a different story, completely different story. I'm not a fan of old-timers but I like it. One of the ugliest Mercedes is actually the 2012 E-class Coupe in my opinion. I prefer the new C-class Coupe.

    The SLS also has kind of a timeless silhouette, this is a car you can look at in 20 years and say: Wow, what a beauty.


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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    different strokes for different folks   --   I can't stand the SLS only Merc uglier would be the melted nose project aka mercedes mclaren.Smiley


    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    racerx:

    11b6915.jpg

     

    That side shot is very beautiful. I am convinced this car will become some sort of yet unknown celebrated modern classic. Apart from the fact that is was a bold move my Mercedes, it is also the start of a entire new era or niche of sedans. Look how the markets responded. VW had to quickly puke out a Passat CC. Audi introduced their A7 etc.. BMW responded with the 5erGT/3erGT, although they go in a slightly different direction.

    The first CLS is unique and nice looking from front to back, and seeing it on the Autobahn, it's just special IMO.

    Mercedes is on route to introduce the next niche product, the shooting brake, and we will see how successful it is in following the CLS footsteps.. I suspect not as successful but time will tell.

    But then again the SLS leaves me a bit cold. The rear is unfinished, the front too simple. And i think we can all agree that just slapping gull-wing doors on a modern sports-car isn't enough to make it special or unique. It was a nice hint to the 300SL, but has little in common with it. If it were the fasteset production car or something crazy like this, it would be great. However, if one needs to order the Black Series AMG to get more rarity, it devalues the base SLS a little in my opinion.


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    Te house behind is great smiley


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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    ALDO:

    Te house behind is great smiley

    Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    Agreed, also noticed that kiss


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    I thought it was an office angry


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    Spyderidol:

    I thought it was an office angry

    I love this design, I don't know how it is called but there are tons of similar houses in the Miami area. My wife loves them too, they kind of look simple but modern. Actually I think this architecture style is pretty old but I'm not sure. How about our architecture experts here? Smiley


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    I don't particularly dislike the design, I would just not choose it for my home. Unfortunately I am too much of a traditionalist and a romantic. To me this design is very clean and clinical which , to me, is great for a professional environment, but I prefer a "warmer" less clinical design for a home. I can appreciate its beauty. It just  doesn't "speak" to my heart.


    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    RC:
    Spyderidol:

    I thought it was an office angry

    I love this design, I don't know how it is called but there are tons of similar houses in the Miami area. My wife loves them too, they kind of look simple but modern. Actually I think this architecture style is pretty old but I'm not sure. How about our architecture experts here? Smiley

    All the modern architecture have their roots in 2nd, 3rd, 4th decade of last century, so it's sometimes very difficult to determine exact date of particular design. Judging by the window treatment, this could very well be something from late 30' as it's corresponding well with what the Bauhaus school of art was propagating at that time along with it's director, Walter Gropius. But who knows - maybe it was concealed only 10 yrs ago... Smiley


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    Isn't this a typical design from the Miami area? I think from sometimes in the 1930s but I don't remember how it is called. There is a pretty famous first house in this design in Miami. No, not art-deco.  Or maybe? yes


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    Here is a copy of Art-deco from Lisbon. During the Portuguese colonial rule in Angola and Mozambique, a large number of buildings were erected especially in the capital cities of Luanda and Maputo (then called Laurenco Marques). This I like!


    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    RC:

    Isn't this a typical design from the Miami area? I think from sometimes in the 1930s but I don't remember how it is called. There is a pretty famous first house in this design in Miami. No, not art-deco.  Or maybe? yes

    You are thinking of art deco in connection with Miami and particularly the Miami Beach shorefront hotels, but that office building is not art deco style. I think that style would have been called contemporary (in the UK, for instance) back in the 1960s or 70s, when it was .... um.... contemporary. 

    It looks deserted and the front yard needs weeding. 

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    Re: Panamera - best selling car of it's class in Germany ?

    RC:

    Isn't this a typical design from the Miami area? I think from sometimes in the 1930s but I don't remember how it is called. There is a pretty famous first house in this design in Miami. No, not art-deco.  Or maybe? yes


    The famous Miami district is indeed Art deco and features a lot of vivid colors, rounded edges and ornamental details. The above building would fall under the category of Modern Architecture which had its origins in Western Europe in the 1920ies. Strongest contribution must´ve come from the Bauhaus in Weimar and Dessau. It features a very clear geometrical pattern and even a vertical symmetry which even traces down to the details such as lamps and trees. As one can see, not a single circular element appears on the entire building.

    Contemporary architecture, as Fritz mentions it, refers to contemporary creations (which this building might fall under due to its date of construction) which have gone in a slightly different direction in those recent decades.

    Regarding the attractiveness of the CLS, Mercedes has in recent years clearly followed seasonal trends in car design. The first CLS features a very organic appearance which can be seen both in the surface treatment as well as graphical details. The GLK or current E-class for example feature very geometrical elements which will look equally outdated in a few years. The interesting thing though is that this strategy has been replaced on the new A-class or current CLS by a very organic and graphical language which in itself can become visually tiring in the medium term. So it is just an intended course of time that these cars will look outdated to the viewer sooner or later. Fortunately, after some time has passed by, these epoch-specific references are seen in a very different (objective) perspective. 

    On top of that, the first CLS was a breakthrough for Mercedes as it was the departure from the previous elderly and representative design language towards a far more emotional and athletic theme. It featured a design that could have perfectly suited a Jaguar sports limousine.


     
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