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    Re: [2021] Formula 1

    Max qualified P3, will be promoted to P2 behind (next to) Bottas.

    Moving Hamilton to P11 means the first 5 cars will be from 5 different teams, Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, Alpha Tauri, Alpine. 

    A very big surprise Red Bull didn't get into the general ballpark for setup when they first arrived. Max was behind the 8 ball from then on but recovered enough to be starting P2. Still about 2/10th behind Bottas however.

    Starting P2 means he will have a clear track at the start, as long as he doesn't repeat wheat he did in 2020 he will be fine. He got a clear path to dive bomb Bottas in turn 1 and somehow I don't think Bottas will give him much trouble when Max passes him. Max only needs to keep his cool and not crash into Bottas at the start and he should have a easy win. 

    Hamilton running a high downforce wing means he may not have the speed to pass Max even when he catching up to him. 


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    Whoopsy:
    watt:

    is She just a name?

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    Sorry - meant shumacher jr

     


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    I doubt Bottas is going to let Max through without a fight. Got a lot of flack last time 👀


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    I think Bottas will leave the door wide open for Max angry


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    Like Bottas will be turning right at turn 1 kind of thing? 

    His contract surely would have a clause for bonus when winning the constructor title for Mercedes, so there should an incentive for him to drive well. His agent probably forgot to put in a clause for bonus if Lewis wins the driver title, hence why he drives like he does. 

     


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    Andretti in talks to buy Alfa Romeo.

    Could this be the reason why the 2nd seat is still vacant?

     


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    Am sure Bottas has a bonus in the pipeline to keep him focused.

    Max talking about the downside of starting on the slippery side of the track. Will be interesting to see if fact or fiction.


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    Another race weekend, another wet race! This is exciting.

    Max was 2nd also last year and had a horrible start, could he avoid the wheel spins that cost I'm the race last year?

     


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    Yes he can! :-) Cheering for Yuki at the moment... 


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    What a "boring" wet race, did not expect that I was sure that we are going to see something exciting... Bottas did a great job after a long time of poor perfromance. Verstappenn didnt't have any chance to win, and why the hell did Lewis stop for new tires??? I dont get it mail they gave up very valuable points without any reason.


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    As usual, more entertaining race when wet!

    Max did exactly what e needed to do, a routine drive from start to finish. He wasn't close enough at turn 1 for a challenge and he basically settle for a cruise in the park to earn 18 points. And as expected, regains the lead in the driver's title.

    Bottas, well he also has a boring straight forward race to win for the 1st time this year.

    Leclerc hanged on for the longest time running 3rd, really quite well done! Ended up 4th, would e have finished there had he not pitted? That will be a close call but that's very likely he is going to be 4th whether he pitted or not.

    Great recovery drive from Sainz, even with a long pit stop throw in there. Great drive!!

    Could inters last a whole race? That will be a question to be answered at another race. But Mercedes again screwed up the strategy at another race. They pretty much got it wrong every single race this year, except Baku. This race they could have had a 1st and 3rd finish to grab extra points, but by stopping Hamilton and dropping him from 3rd to 5th, now Red Bull got the extra points by finishing 2nd and 3rd. They could have had 40 points, now it's only 35 and more crucially, Red Bull got 33 instead of 30, 11 extra points vs 3 points now. Hamilton on old inters may not be able to pass Max for 2nd but he still has enough pace to finish 3rd, or hang onto 3rd. 4th at worse had he not pitted. No one else on the grid has the skills to hang on and extra the most out of a car. Max could be one that's close to that level.

    Mazepin, almost seems like he thinks he deserves every inch of track space and is not willing to concede even given the blue flag. 

    Tsunoda. The little guy put up a pretty got fight against Hamilton at the beginning, much better than what Stroll did, or didn't do, aka defend the position. 

    Vettel. 🤦🏻‍♂️ What was he thinking? That is the most memorable moment for the race watching him go skating. 

    Perez, is it planned? That he would hang back at the beginning of the race to create breathing room for Max? Or is he really that slow in the Red Bull to be a good 20 seconds behind Leclerc in a Ferrari who was running 3rd after just a few laps? Can't be as he was having much more pace at the end against Leclerc. So must be a strategy call before the race, to drive as slow as possible to hold up the pack, with Hamilton in the middle of the pack. Wouldn't put it pass Horner. Red Bull is always the scheming team, as compared to the straight forward Mercedes. 

    Gasly, poor kid. The 5 seconds wasn't just. Literally he was sandwiched at the start, there just isn't room for 3 cars to go through. Alonso was the one that sneaked in there but a few corners later he was the recipient of his own 5 second penalty. 

    Ricciardo. Hmm. Errr. Hmmm. Enigma. What's going on with him, there is no consistency. 

     

     


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    Forgot to add.

    It was a great battle between Perez and Hamilton, wheel to wheel but each leaving space for each other, that's call fair racing.

    Someone on the grid, namely Perez's teammate, needs to learn how to race like that without crashing into the opponent. 

    Hamilton was a class act on interviews. He has to be hyper frustrated but he didn't show or lash out at someone during interviews. Very diplomatic. More things to be learn by the rest of the grid on how to be a gentleman racer. 

     


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    Agree on you analysis Nick! Not too entertaining, but still interesting things happening.

    Mainly, it seems that mercedes, whenever they are not controlling, then they start messing up strategically.


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    Evidently we watched a different race as it seemed predictable from the start. 


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    It was very interesting  watch!  Nice analysis Whoopsy!!

    Got my Austin tickets and looking forward to it. Lewis does well in Texas. 


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    Joost:

    Agree on you analysis Nick! Not too entertaining, but still interesting things happening.

    Mainly, it seems that mercedes, whenever they are not controlling, then they start messing up strategically.

     

    They are a conservative team. They like to avoid risks. Over the years, they never really made single gambling call. Always playing the percentage game unless Hamilton do an audible and overrule whatever is decided at the pits. 

    It was mentioned that they had a software that do predictions for them, just punch in all the numbers and voila and they plan their strategy around those results.

    A program is only as good as the codes and routines that was written, it would seems that their 'program' is a bit more biased towards predicting stuff when they are leading, and if they are chasing, the predicted results aren't really useful.

     


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    CGX car nut:

    Evidently we watched a different race as it seemed predictable from the start. 

     

    Predictable as in you had the top 3 penciled in before the start? And also factored in late race tire drama too? You also knew Leclerc was at one point leading the race? Did you also knew Vettel would be the clown that put on mediums on a damp track too? How about clean wheel to wheel battle between Perez and Hamilton for 4 straight corners, literally lasted almost 1/3 of a lap.


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    Going back to tires again.

    At the post-race show, a segment was devoted to the tires. The general consensus is that the inters will not last all 58 laps and will fail just before the end. Speculation is that Hamilton's tires were already running on the carcass with no tread left. But the lap times wasn't supporting that. He was going slower, but not dead slow like how Ocon was. 

    They brought up Ocon as the example of how bad the tires will be and hence why Hamilton needed to come in. 

    Hamilton wasn't going to catch and pass Max at the end on worn tires, he was content to finish right behind Max, be it 3rd or 4th. So he wasn't going to push the tire anymore, and he is one of the best in saving tires, Perez is another one that's really good at it. Ocon isn't part of that conversation however.

    Leclerc was catching up about a second a lap after his pitstop, 11 seconds back with 10 laps to go. It would have been close at the end, but that's just going to be an academic debate. 

    Hamilton had great pace on the worn inters up until the pit stop, car felt great to him and hence why he isn't keen on coming in to give up 23 seconds on track. 

    Pitstops again. After some drama from the Red Bull pitstops for a few races, they are back to the top of the chart. Their 2 stops were the 2 fastest times for the day, 22.442 and 22.463, gaining 0.2 seconds on the 3rd fastest stop, Leclerc at 22.646. Hamilton had the 4th fastest, 22.684. 

     


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    Wolff stands firm: ‘Lewis wouldn’t have made it’

    The correct call would have probably been to take it very conservatively and pitting when everyone pitted for the intermediate compound and coming out probably behind Perez and Leclerc and fighting them for P3. That would have been probably correct

     

     

     


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    Leawood911:

    It was very interesting  watch!  Nice analysis Whoopsy!!

    Got my Austin tickets and looking forward to it. Lewis does well in Texas. 

     

    He hasn't won there since 2017. 2018 was Kimi and 2019 was Bottas.

    If the Mercedes are in the ballpark setup wise, Bottas could be the favourite to win again from the Mercedes side of the garage. Bottas is a streaky driver, WHEN he feels like it, he can be quicker than Hamilton on a one lap pace in he same car, and even race pace he has plenty. 

    Red Bull cars have the power now this year, and they are always the more agile car with the shorter wheelbase, so Max will be the favourite still. 


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    Whoopsy:
    CGX car nut:

    Evidently we watched a different race as it seemed predictable from the start. 

     

    Predictable as in you had the top 3 penciled in before the start? And also factored in late race tire drama too? You also knew Leclerc was at one point leading the race? Did you also knew Vettel would be the clown that put on mediums on a damp track too? How about clean wheel to wheel battle between Perez and Hamilton for 4 straight corners, literally lasted almost 1/3 of a lap.

    That’s a response you could write about 95% of the races in the current era.  


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    CGX car nut:
    Whoopsy:
    CGX car nut:

    Evidently we watched a different race as it seemed predictable from the start. 

     

    Predictable as in you had the top 3 penciled in before the start? And also factored in late race tire drama too? You also knew Leclerc was at one point leading the race? Did you also knew Vettel would be the clown that put on mediums on a damp track too? How about clean wheel to wheel battle between Perez and Hamilton for 4 straight corners, literally lasted almost 1/3 of a lap.

    That’s a response you could write about 95% of the races in the current era.  

     

    So what is so predictable about this race according to you then?

    Some predict Hamilton would win. Others say Max. Neither scenario happened. More still would be like they are just going to run around without much passes, that didn't happened either, lots of action around the circuit. 

    Max doesn't have win every race for a race to be exciting.  

    Camera wasn't on him much all day as he was running a text book perfect race. He paced himself with Bottas and also minding the gap behind him to Leclerc, that's a telltale signature for a mature driver, which Max is growing into. 

    Chaos was happening behind the leaders and it's fun to watch. 

     


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    Ocon's tires. The right front clearly has worn into the carcass. 

    From TV pictures Hamilton's tires were in quite a bit better shape. But Hamilton still had 8 laps to go had he not pitted. 


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    Whoopsy:

    Re: Austin 

    If the Mercedes are in the ballpark setup wise, Bottas could be the favourite to win again from the Mercedes side of the garage. Bottas is a streaky driver, WHEN he feels like it, he can be quicker than Hamilton on a one lap pace in he same car, and even race pace he has plenty. 

    Red Bull cars have the power now this year, and they are always the more agile car with the shorter wheelbase, so Max will be the favourite still. 

    But Bottas was uncatchable by Max!!  So what power? Seems Mercedes can hold him off if they get it right… and I want Max to succeed now he’s less of an assh.le and driving maturely


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    watt:
    Whoopsy:

    Re: Austin 

    If the Mercedes are in the ballpark setup wise, Bottas could be the favourite to win again from the Mercedes side of the garage. Bottas is a streaky driver, WHEN he feels like it, he can be quicker than Hamilton on a one lap pace in he same car, and even race pace he has plenty. 

    Red Bull cars have the power now this year, and they are always the more agile car with the shorter wheelbase, so Max will be the favourite still. 

    But Bottas was uncatchable by Max!!  So what power? Seems Mercedes can hold him off if they get it right… and I want Max to succeed now he’s less of an assh.le and driving maturely

     

    It had always been that the Red Bulls have better grip and the Mercedes has a higher top speed because of the power difference and design philosophy, Mercedes has the more slippery car while Red Bull aim for handling. During setup Mercedes would be trimming the top end and adding downforce to suit tracks. Red Bull do it the other way, they start trimming downforce to add to top speed. 

    This year with the Honda engine upgrade, the Red Bulls have made up the power difference and closed the gap in ultimate top speed, while maintaining the handling advantage. For the first part of the season. That's how they have been successful in beating Mercedes. Not to mention the new floor. The new floor cut out hurts cars with low rake while the high rake cars are relatively unaffected. And Red Bulls are high rake cars.

    Mid season Pirelli introduced a 'stiffer' tires. That's what put Mercedes back in the fight. It helps them regain the downforce from the diffuser. 

    When tire flexes, it changes the ride height, small changes, but changes nevertheless. For high rake cars, the difference is a tiny percentage of the height, so they are less sensitive to the change and hence can maintain the downforce. For low rake cars the changes amount to a bigger difference, and the variation in generated downforce by the diffuser means the cars will be more tricky to drive. The stiffer sidewall fixed that. It translate to a more reliable downforce from the diffuser. 

    This weekend Red Bull had an off week in the setup ball park. The setup window was all wrong to begin with, hence their cars were 'off the pace'. Great job for them to bring it to 'spec' by Sunday and hence why Max can't catch Bottas. 

    Turkey was an odd duck. Fresh pavement but low grip last year and this year the track's grip level changed quite a bit from last year, so their historic data were useless and they had to guess for the initial setup window. Austin will be a difference story. They have historic data to base their setup on. You can bet Max will be right up there from Friday onwards. 

    Bottas isn't a pushover. When he is motivated and on his game, he is quick. Not even Hamilton in the same car can catch him. He just simply don't have the laser beam focus like others. Mercedes wouldn't have signed him and kept him if he isn't quick. Remember, driver titles are secondary to Mercedes, they as a team wants the manufacturer title first. We fans might see it differently and cheer for drivers, but the team's name is Mercedes-AMG Patronas Formula One Team, there is no Lewis Hamilton anywhere on the team name. It was just bad luck he got paired with Hamilton all these years at Mercedes. In an alternate universe where there is no Hamilton, he might have been paired with Rosberg and could have won a few titles by himself. 

     

     


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    Whoopsy:
    CGX car nut:
    Whoopsy:
    CGX car nut:

    Evidently we watched a different race as it seemed predictable from the start. 

     

    Predictable as in you had the top 3 penciled in before the start? And also factored in late race tire drama too? You also knew Leclerc was at one point leading the race? Did you also knew Vettel would be the clown that put on mediums on a damp track too? How about clean wheel to wheel battle between Perez and Hamilton for 4 straight corners, literally lasted almost 1/3 of a lap.

    That’s a response you could write about 95% of the races in the current era.  

     

    So what is so predictable about this race according to you then?

    Some predict Hamilton would win. Others say Max. Neither scenario happened. More still would be like they are just going to run around without much passes, that didn't happened either, lots of action around the circuit. 

    Max doesn't have win every race for a race to be exciting.  

    Camera wasn't on him much all day as he was running a text book perfect race. He paced himself with Bottas and also minding the gap behind him to Leclerc, that's a telltale signature for a mature driver, which Max is growing into. 

    Chaos was happening behind the leaders and it's fun to watch. 

     

    Whilst one does not owe you an explanation on why this race was boring and predictable, the podium cross-referenced with the starting grid is enough of an explanation.  There was little change from the formation lap positions to that of the top finishers nor is it enough to have a 1/3 of a lap challenge by Hamilton when the race is 58 complete laps. 

    My feelings of boredom during that race by no means diminishes or impacts any pleasure you extracted from watching the race; it is not a zero sum game. 



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    Another one that underestimate Bottas' speed. He has proven that many times over by out qualifying Hamilton in the same car with regularity. 

    Bottas got to F1 by his own merits, unlike say Stroll, Mazepin, Latifi, the Billionaires' Boys Club.

    Mercedes wouldn't have signed him if he isn't fast and capable of winning. 

    To win a F1 championship, it's a combination of driver and car, fastest drivers gets the fastest cars, fastest car teams want the fastest drivers for them also. It had always worked that way. The only variable would be the contract end dates,  there will be times when the fastest driver is locked into a previous contract when a fast car seat opens up, and the team will have to settle for someone else.

     

     

     


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    Here is an interesting brain exercise.

    If in 2022 all F1 teams have no drivers and had sign them from scratch with no considerations for previous allegiance, and also no outside money influences, who would ended up at where?

    There will be a bidding war for Max for sure, between Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull. Same with the rest of the young guns, Russell, Leclerc, Norris, Gasly. The BBC's 3 kiddos will not be in F1 for sure. Nor Tsunoda. 

    What if teams pick by the order on how they finished 2021? Sort of like Pro Sports entry draft?

    Could Mercedes pick Max as number 1? Likely. it won't be Hamilton as he is getting older and don't have much time left in F1.

    Red Bull likely will pick Russell. 

    Mclaren finishing 3rd would have a tougher choice, Leclerc or Norris, or Hamilton. My money will be on them taking Norris.

    Ferrari, Hamilton or Leclerc. Probably Leclerc as he has more upside.

    Alpine. Hamilton then.

    Alfa Tuari. Gasly or Bottas. Gasly.

    Aston Martin. Bottas

    Williams. Ocon, Sainz, Ricciardo, Albon. Probably Ocon.

    Alfa Romeo. Sainz.

    Haas. Ricciardo.

    Back to Mercedes again. Albon or some old guards? Or do they go off board and grab Piastri, or de Vries. Probably de Vries. 

    Red Bull. Vettel, Alonso, Albon or Piastri. Albon.

    Mclaren. Vettel.

    Ferrari. Alonso

    Alpine. Perez, Zhou? Hulkenberg? Piastri? Perez.

    Alfa Tauri. Hulk.

    Aston. Mick.

    Williams. Piastri.

    Alfa Romeo. Zhou.

    Haas. Giovanazzi. 

     

     

     

     

     


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