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    Club Sport GT3 - Help needed

     

    I am in the process of buying a GT3 and wanted to get some opinions on whether I should get the CS package or not (roll cage, etc..)

    I will be tracking the car but only for leisure, meaning I will not be joining any races, etc.

    I was planning to get the car with the foldable bucket seats so the only difference will be to have a roll cage or not.

    Also, any comments on daily driving with the foldable bucket seats? I tried them before and appear to be very comfortable but would love to hear from someone that actually ownes them. 

    Thanks!

     


    Re: Club Sport GT3 - Help needed

    Definitely the bucket seats help you feel the car even more, so that is an advantage. I don´t think you can expect them to be as comfortable as the standard seats, but then the GT3 is no Jaguar. As for the roll cage, you don´t have to have it together with the seats, as you know. I think that besides the actual fact that it is a great safety device if it comes to that one big crash, it is more for the feeling that here is a car with a roll cage on the road and all the nice connotations that that serves up in the onlookers mind, as well as the drivers´. Looked at from a different perspective, it is a fairly heavy piece of equipment, isn´t it?

    Please search for Preuninger´s comment on the cage - doesn´t do anything for the stiffness of the shell and adds weight on top of it...It´s hard to believe he said that, I know, but passing on only what was quoted elsewhere, maybe here, maybe rennlist, can´t remember.


    Re: Club Sport GT3 - Help needed

    I am going for a Club Sport with my car !! not sure which bucket seats to go for yet though.

    To me the CS cars always seem that bit more special as they are more in touch with how the car was meant to be !!  


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    I assume you can only get the CS package with fire-proof cloth seats, not with leather?

    The rollcage certainly improves rigidity but to come to an effect in torsional rigidity, one would have to employ a full rollcage from A- to C-pillar. I agree though that it makes the car more focussed and adds a little portion of crash safety as well.


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    I believe the rollcage is needed for the 5-point harness which would be a must have for me. Even if you just go occassionally to the track, the harness makes a huge difference!


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    Re: Club Sport GT3 - Help needed

    You´re right about the harness, I guess. My thinking was that it also depends on your body size. If you are a perfect fit for the foldable bucket seats, it´s something else than if you have a smaller figure and really need a five-point belt to tie you into the seat.


    Re: Club Sport GT3 - Help needed

    Thanks to all so far for your tips.

    I will get the bucket seats with or without CS. The only real benefit I see in the CS is the possibility to use the 6 six point belts. Frankly I did not know that you could somehow use them without the roll cage. It appears some people think it can be done, would love to hear more on this.

    I am about 1.80 and fit pretty nicely in the bucket seats and all the tracking I have done in the past has been pretty much using normal belts although the couple of times I used the harness type belts I did feel pretty tight in which was good.

    The biggest con I see with the roll cage is that you dont get the nice leather/Alcantara seats plus you completely kill eny possibility to store something in the back.

     

     


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    The biggest con I see with the roll cage is that you dont get the nice leather/Alcantara seats plus you completely kill eny possibility to store something in the back.

     

     

     

    True, i also agree, however  i am of the opinion that the cloth seats will age better than the leather on the bucket seats.


    Re: Club Sport GT3 - Help needed

    AS4s:

    Also, any comments on daily driving with the foldable bucket seats?


    Best of both worlds - comfy enough for a DD and great grip on the track as long as you combine them with a 6-point-harness (IMHO a must have on the track). For fixing the shoulder belts you don't need the rollcage, a simple roll bar can do the job.

     

     


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    Re: Club Sport GT3 - Help needed

    Thanks Porsche-Jeck, excuse my ignorance but what do you mean by a roll bar? how is that different from the roll cage?


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    Sorry - my bad. The correct term should be harness guide bar - it's a single bar just to fix the shoulder belts:

    http://www.fvd.de/us/en/Porsche-0/965_Turbo-131/-/-/item/item_details/VID_6274438-VCD_21153389-gid_-sort_4-display_5-item_846R1010/-846R1010-Harness-Guide-Bar-911-964-993-996-997-Coupe.html


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    Porsche-Jeck,

    Great! That would do!

    After you send me the previous comment I also found this:

    http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/agency-power-race-roll-bar-wharness-and-diagonal-bar-porsche-996-997-carrera-gt3-turbo-p-74008.html?currency=GBP&osCsid=haf8tr0ceri9mn45u222s9nr92

    What do you think?

    A

     

     


    Re: Club Sport GT3 - Help needed

    Sounds like the main advantage is the easy removal if you need the back seats again after a trackday.

    Since the GT3 has no back seats I'd either order the CS package (rear cage already mounted in the factory, hence no worries regarding scratches from the installation process etc. )  or would install the harness guide bar. The CS rear cage certainly improves safety (but how often does a GT3 roll over on a track maybe except for the Nordschleife ?) but comes with a weight penalty.

    I guess most CS buyers prefer the CS package simply because they think it makes the car more sexy - which I can fully understand of course Smiley


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