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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    505hp Stelvio is coming... 440hp Macan turbo with performance package won’t do it for much longer.


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    510HP and already available. Quite cool, I'm tempted .

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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    I am sorely tempted by a Stelvio Quadrifoglio as I am highly impressed by the 280 BHP 2.0 petrol model I bought recently. I shall try and resist the upgrade as the model I've bought is great to drive and I got an extremely good deal on it. Videos like this make it hard though -

     


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    I looked at the 280 as well. Problem you cannot spec it as cool as the Quadrifoglio. I test drove the Quadrifoglio on summer tires at temperatures near freezing, so cannot tell much about performance. What impressed me how comfortable and relaxed it is to drive in traffic. It's also kind of understated for 90% of the people. They just see a mid-sized Alfa crossover/SUV. 


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    ISUK:

    I am sorely tempted by a Stelvio Quadrifoglio as I am highly impressed by the 280 BHP 2.0 petrol model I bought recently. I shall try and resist the upgrade as the model I've bought is great to drive and I got an extremely good deal on it. Videos like this make it hard though -

     

    I’m impressed / surprised you managed to watch a video with this slimy buffoon in it.


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    I tried to ignore him and fast forwarded through quite a bit of it.


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    993Targa:

    I looked at the 280 as well. Problem you cannot spec it as cool as the Quadrifoglio. I test drove the Quadrifoglio on summer tires at temperatures near freezing, so cannot tell much about performance. What impressed me how comfortable and relaxed it is to drive in traffic. It's also kind of understated for 90% of the people. They just see a mid-sized Alfa crossover/SUV. 

    There are a number of new options for the Stelvio that have just been released including leather dash and door cappings, dynamic suspension, Apple Car Play etc. There is a Sport Pack in some European markets that brings a satin platinum type finish to elements of the exterior trim and wheels. You can create a Quadrifoglio look by painting the lower plastic trim and wheel arches as this Italian owner has done. It would look better on a car with the gloss black window surround trim though. The genuine Quadrifoglio wheels are available after market as well.

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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    crayphile:
    ISUK:

    I’m impressed / surprised you managed to watch a video with this slimy buffoon in it.

    lol, you brit have a very unique vocabulary,love it SmileySmileySmiley


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    crayphile:

    I’m impressed / surprised you managed to watch a video with this slimy buffoon in it.

    I think he makes ok videos. Am I missing something? Smiley


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    ISUK:
    993Targa:

    I looked at the 280 as well. Problem you cannot spec it as cool as the Quadrifoglio. I test drove the Quadrifoglio on summer tires at temperatures near freezing, so cannot tell much about performance. What impressed me how comfortable and relaxed it is to drive in traffic. It's also kind of understated for 90% of the people. They just see a mid-sized Alfa crossover/SUV. 

    There are a number of new options for the Stelvio that have just been released including leather dash and door cappings, dynamic suspension, Apple Car Play etc. There is a Sport Pack in some European markets that brings a satin platinum type finish to elements of the exterior trim and wheels. You can create a Quadrifoglio look by painting the lower plastic trim and wheel arches as this Italian owner has done. It would look better on a car with the gloss black window surround trim though. The genuine Quadrifoglio wheels are available after market as well.

    True, but if you add all the options the price difference with the real deal and the extra 200+ HP is not that big anymore.


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Not in the UK. The top spec 280 has most options as standard here. The only additional options on mine are the pano roof, power socket in the trunk and space saver spare wheel.  I wouldn't bother with the adaptive suspension as the standard passive set up is very well tuned. I got a fantastic deal on my car and although the Quadrifoglio price has yet to be announced for our market I suspect it will almost certainly be around 40% + more than I paid. To get the same spec and performance from Porsche I'd have needed to get a Macan GTS and that would have been around £22k GBP more which is frankly crazy. Having had a Macan turbo a few years ago there is no way a GTS version is worth that amount more. The Alfa also has more interior space than the Macan.

    I think Alfa will launch a mild hybrid version of the Stelvio later this year with around 350 BHP as there is a version of that powertrain under development for the Giulia saloon. If the story in Autocar this week is to be believed they may also be looking to add the hybrid tech to the V6 engine in the Quadrifoglio in a new 2 door coupe.

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    Wonderful to see Alfa come out of the quagmire after so many years and produce great cars again. In my younger days I was a proper “Alfisti” - two Alfasuds, Alfasud Sprint Veloce 1.5, GTV, GTV6 (the proper transaxle ones) and finally when I had a young family an 164 3.0V6 Lusso. 

    And note to Porsche and others - it is possible to produce great sounding turbo engines! Smiley


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    993Targa:

    510HP and already available. Quite cool, I'm tempted .

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    Don't be tempted...sounds like a generic V6 Biturbo and it is an Alfa...quality at it's best. Smiley Smiley

    The GLC63 S AMG is the better choice in my opinion but tastes are different.


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Just not a Mercedes kind of guy. But yes the Alfa quality is a question mark. Luckily the dealer is close by indecision


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    993Targa:

    Just not a Mercedes kind of guy. But yes the Alfa quality is a question mark. Luckily the dealer is close by indecision

    I won't forget what the owner of an Alfa Romeo dealership told me when I once wanted to switch from a BMW 323i to an Alfa Romeo Spider many many years ago (just had an itch for a few weeks, don't know why): "Why the heck would you exchange that amazing BMW with an Alfa Romeo?". Smiley Seriously. It wasn't about the value of that BMW, it was pretty new and demand was high at that time (one of the most beloved "affordable" fast cars at that time).

    I also drove various Lancia cars over a couple of years, was even part of a Lancia Rallye team here (AM Motorsport), met with their traveling engineer for consultations, etc., worst quality ever encountered. Smiley Again funny: The parts (hardware) they were using was actually top notch (like for example that Magneti Marelli engine control unit, which was considered to be one of the best and most innovative ones at that time, amazing possibilities to program/control) but the top notch parts didn't seem to work together very well. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    I’ve owned six Alfa’s, the latter ones i’ve driven all over Europe, had issues, all minor, but if I added all the problems up of all six Alfa’s they would be less in number - or consequence - than the troubles i’ve had to put up with in my current Volvo. I never had any Alfa taken away broken and undriveable, this happened three times with the V40 Smiley


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    RC,

    You are relating to experiences of Italian cars that are from over 20 years ago by the sounds of things. The world has moved on a lot since then

    The current offerings from  Alfa are simply in a different league to the cars they built in the 80's. I've owned many Italian cars and not faced any more hassle or reliability issues with them than any other brand in all honesty. I had a Mito 1.4 turbo as a run around for 2 years that I had no issues with. I ran a GTV 2.0 T Spark for around 30k miles back in 98 and had zero faults with that either outside of routine servicing. My Panda 4x4 has racked up 25k fault free miles in all weathers in the last 2.5 years and been one of the best and cheapest cars to run I've ever owned.

    Alfa now have some very talented engineers - Phillipe Krief and Roberto Fedeli for example - and are making significant headway. THe company's biggest challenge is to overcome perceptions like yours and they are doing this by repeatedly winning press awards for the Giulia Quadrifoglio and Veloce models. It is a long uphill road for them and they don't have the sort of funding they'd undoubtedly like to release new product every year but they are off to a promising start. I've seen nothing but praise heaped on the Giulia Quadrifoglio by owners who have switched to Alfa for the first time and have come out of AMG and BMW M products in the process. Even the patchy and some times sub standard dealer network is not affecting their enjoyment of the Alfa and most seem to say they are once again enjoying driving just for the sake of it which speaks volumes about how Alfa's engineers have hit the mark with this car. I expect the Stelvio Quadrifoglio will only bolster this change in perception as more buyers switch out of other brands to try it.


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    ISUK:

    RC,

    You are relating to experiences of Italian cars that are from over 20 years ago by the sounds of things. The world has moved on a lot since then

    I know, especially Ferrari has improved a lot but Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Maserati and Fiat? Not really. Smiley

    The current offerings from  Alfa are simply in a different league to the cars they built in the 80's. I've owned many Italian cars and not faced any more hassle or reliability issues with them than any other brand in all honesty. I had a Mito 1.4 turbo as a run around for 2 years that I had no issues with. I ran a GTV 2.0 T Spark for around 30k miles back in 98 and had zero faults with that either outside of routine servicing. My Panda 4x4 has racked up 25k fault free miles in all weathers in the last 2.5 years and been one of the best and cheapest cars to run I've ever owned.

    Different league? Yes. In the 2018 league? I doubt it. Smiley

    Alfa now have some very talented engineers - Phillipe Krief and Roberto Fedeli for example - and are making significant headway. THe company's biggest challenge is to overcome perceptions like yours and they are doing this by repeatedly winning press awards for the Giulia Quadrifoglio and Veloce models. It is a long uphill road for them and they don't have the sort of funding they'd undoubtedly like to release new product every year but they are off to a promising start. I've seen nothing but praise heaped on the Giulia Quadrifoglio by owners who have switched to Alfa for the first time and have come out of AMG and BMW M products in the process. Even the patchy and some times sub standard dealer network is not affecting their enjoyment of the Alfa and most seem to say they are once again enjoying driving just for the sake of it which speaks volumes about how Alfa's engineers have hit the mark with this car. I expect the Stelvio Quadrifoglio will only bolster this change in perception as more buyers switch out of other brands to try it.

    The Giulia and Stelvio are certainly achievements but it will take more time (and money). I wish them well but when I see what became of Fiat, I get angry. Very angry. What a shame. During my youth, a Fiat Uno or Fiat Ritmo was basically the coolest car you could own. Now? Well...the 500 is more of a shadow of the company and all the other products are a joke.


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    RC:
    ISUK:

    RC,

    You are relating to experiences of Italian cars that are from over 20 years ago by the sounds of things. The world has moved on a lot since then

    I know, especially Ferrari has improved a lot but Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Maserati and Fiat? Not really. Smiley

     

    And do you base this opinion upon personal experience or what you read? I've had three Maseratis in the last 10 years and had no problems with them either.


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    ISUK:
    RC:
    ISUK:

    RC,

    You are relating to experiences of Italian cars that are from over 20 years ago by the sounds of things. The world has moved on a lot since then

    I know, especially Ferrari has improved a lot but Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Maserati and Fiat? Not really. Smiley

     

    And do you base this opinion upon personal experience or what you read? I've had three Maseratis in the last 10 years and had no problems with them either.

    I could tell you but I don't think it would be wise. Only this: Experience from tons of cars. 

    You were lucky...or barely driving them. Smiley


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Any news when the Macan facelift will be presented, tomorrow in Beijing?


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Seems so



    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Rear will be adapted to new Porsche design "language", front will be slightly different (front lights almost he same).

    No V8 engine as far as I know...unfortunately.

     


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    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    Great, more reason not to replace my current Macan. The current language is quite a bad one and boring being littered on every model...


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    There is rarely a reason to buy a facelift of any high-end car. You heed to wait for next-gen models to actually get anything of value.


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    But that mean wait 7 or 8 years sometimes... That’s too long for most people.


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    There is always a car in it's latest generation, just might not be a Macan. I don't really follow every single car out there, but I'm sure there are some luxury SUVs/crossovers that are better than a facelift Macan.

    BMW will have some sort of iX3 out next year I thought, or an iPace or something like that.

    Well, iX3 is apparently a 2020 car, but iPace is out now. It's an EV crossover, nicer interior than a Macan IMO too.


    Re: Macan Facelift 2018?

    There are no other crossovers than even comes close to the Macan as a complete package despite the paltry 400hp on the turbo and the vacuum cleaner sound from inside, at least when specced on the higher scale of things (full leather and such).

    When something EV comes though, things might change because it will move the trade off between having an EV car vs the luxury of the car.


     
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