Rennteam 2.0 - EN - Forum - 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring - Page1

Aug 19, 2006 7:55:10 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002

997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

The most recent edition of German Powercar includes a test of the 997TT (standard tires) and the 997GT3 (Pilot Sport Cup tires). The test cars were driven by Kurt Thiim (a professional, well-known European race driver).

Interestingly, the 997TT was faster on the Nuerburgring GP circuit:

997TT: 1:4081
997GT3: 1.4157

The conclusion adds that the advantage of the 997TT would have been even larger on the optional Cup tires. Quite interesting result...

Next
Threads

Aug 19, 2006 8:15:50 AM

Moogle: Rennteam Master; Loc: Bay Area , United States; Posts: 5019, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 9, 2003; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

less than 1 second... well within margins of error, even for a professional.

Next
Threads

Aug 19, 2006 8:32:35 AM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Markus, there is something pretty strange about that times on Nuerburgring GP circuit...
Times achived by Sport Auto on Klein kurs of Hockenheim are telling us something completely different!
997 GT3 1.11,7min(Michelin Cups)
997 Turbo 1.13,7min(Standard tires)
Gallardo 1.11,8min(old 500hp version, Corsa's)
BTW, new 520hp Gallardo with Corsa'a and optional Ceramic brakes time is 1.11,5min as you will find out in next few issues of Sport Auto.

You will not be very pleased with Sport Auto Supertest times both on Hockenheim and Nordschleife... Turbo is not faster on track then GT3. Sorry...

Next
Threads

Aug 19, 2006 8:53:15 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12656, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Markus, there is something pretty strange about that times on Nuerburgring GP circuit...
Times achived by Sport Auto on Klein kurs of Hockenheim are telling us something completely different!
997 GT3 1.11,7min(Michelin Cups)
997 Turbo 1.13,7min(Standard tires)
Gallardo 1.11,8min(old 500hp version, Corsa's)
BTW, new 520hp Gallardo with Corsa'a and optional Ceramic brakes time is 1.11,5min as you will find out in next few issues of Sport Auto.

You will not be very pleased with Sport Auto Supertest times both on Hockenheim and Nordschleife... Turbo is not faster on track then GT3. Sorry...

I guess it's all a problem of the magazine. German Powercar is a nice mag for high quality pics and sometimes interesting stories, but Powercar also belongs to the "Auto Zeitung"-family, which is a magazine that isn't well known for its correct data concerning test results.

Next
Threads

Aug 19, 2006 9:39:54 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Moogle

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Quote:
Moogle said:
less than 1 second... well within margins of error, even for a professional.

Are you kidding

1 second (in the hands of a pro and with the TT on standard tires) is a very surprising result...

Next
Threads

Aug 19, 2006 9:41:55 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Quote:
Rossi said:
Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Markus, there is something pretty strange about that times on Nuerburgring GP circuit...
Times achived by Sport Auto on Klein kurs of Hockenheim are telling us something completely different!
997 GT3 1.11,7min(Michelin Cups)
997 Turbo 1.13,7min(Standard tires)
Gallardo 1.11,8min(old 500hp version, Corsa's)
BTW, new 520hp Gallardo with Corsa'a and optional Ceramic brakes time is 1.11,5min as you will find out in next few issues of Sport Auto.

You will not be very pleased with Sport Auto Supertest times both on Hockenheim and Nordschleife... Turbo is not faster on track then GT3. Sorry...

I guess it's all a problem of the magazine. German Powercar is a nice mag for high quality pics and sometimes interesting stories, but Powercar also belongs to the "Auto Zeitung"-family, which is a magazine that isn't well known for its correct data concerning test results.

On the other hand, Kurt Thiim is a very sound driver (I would even say a faster and more experienced driver than HvS)

And Kurt Thiim did the test...

Next
Threads

Aug 19, 2006 9:44:09 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Markus, there is something pretty strange about that times on Nuerburgring GP circuit...
Times achived by Sport Auto on Klein kurs of Hockenheim are telling us something completely different!
997 GT3 1.11,7min(Michelin Cups)
997 Turbo 1.13,7min(Standard tires)
Gallardo 1.11,8min(old 500hp version, Corsa's)
BTW, new 520hp Gallardo with Corsa'a and optional Ceramic brakes time is 1.11,5min as you will find out in next few issues of Sport Auto.

You will not be very pleased with Sport Auto Supertest times both on Hockenheim and Nordschleife... Turbo is not faster on track then GT3. Sorry...

I agree, this is strange. However, the test results from the Kurt Thiim test are as they are... Everything seems to depend on the track then?

Next
Threads

Aug 19, 2006 10:11:58 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12656, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Quote:
MKSGR said:
Quote:
Rossi said:
Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Markus, there is something pretty strange about that times on Nuerburgring GP circuit...
Times achived by Sport Auto on Klein kurs of Hockenheim are telling us something completely different!
997 GT3 1.11,7min(Michelin Cups)
997 Turbo 1.13,7min(Standard tires)
Gallardo 1.11,8min(old 500hp version, Corsa's)
BTW, new 520hp Gallardo with Corsa'a and optional Ceramic brakes time is 1.11,5min as you will find out in next few issues of Sport Auto.

You will not be very pleased with Sport Auto Supertest times both on Hockenheim and Nordschleife... Turbo is not faster on track then GT3. Sorry...

I guess it's all a problem of the magazine. German Powercar is a nice mag for high quality pics and sometimes interesting stories, but Powercar also belongs to the "Auto Zeitung"-family, which is a magazine that isn't well known for its correct data concerning test results.

On the other hand, Kurt Thiim is a very sound driver (I would even say a faster and more experienced driver than HvS) And Kurt Thiim did the test...

Wasn't it him who did the "famous" Corvette Z06 testdrive?

(don't want to hijack the thread, just curious

)

Next
Threads

Aug 19, 2006 10:56:47 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Quote:
Rossi said:
Quote:
MKSGR said:
Quote:
Rossi said:
Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Markus, there is something pretty strange about that times on Nuerburgring GP circuit...
Times achived by Sport Auto on Klein kurs of Hockenheim are telling us something completely different!
997 GT3 1.11,7min(Michelin Cups)
997 Turbo 1.13,7min(Standard tires)
Gallardo 1.11,8min(old 500hp version, Corsa's)
BTW, new 520hp Gallardo with Corsa'a and optional Ceramic brakes time is 1.11,5min as you will find out in next few issues of Sport Auto.

You will not be very pleased with Sport Auto Supertest times both on Hockenheim and Nordschleife... Turbo is not faster on track then GT3. Sorry...

I guess it's all a problem of the magazine. German Powercar is a nice mag for high quality pics and sometimes interesting stories, but Powercar also belongs to the "Auto Zeitung"-family, which is a magazine that isn't well known for its correct data concerning test results.

On the other hand, Kurt Thiim is a very sound driver (I would even say a faster and more experienced driver than HvS) And Kurt Thiim did the test...

Wasn't it him who did the "famous" Corvette Z06 testdrive?

(don't want to hijack the thread, just curious )

The Gallardo/Z06 test? Yes, it was him.

Next
Threads

Aug 19, 2006 12:36:20 PM

eclou: Veteran; Loc: Texas , United States; Posts: 1182, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

certain tracks tend to favor high HP cars vs "handling" cars. I would think the long NBR loop would be more indicative of real world handling than any short course

Next
Threads

Aug 20, 2006 5:23:13 AM

BC: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Cape Town , South Africa; Posts: 2586, Gallery; Registered on: May 19, 2005; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Quote:
MKSGR said:
Quote:
Moogle said:
less than 1 second... well within margins of error, even for a professional.

Are you kidding

1 second (in the hands of a pro and with the TT on standard tires) is a very surprising result...

Plus the Turbo should be a easier car to take to it's limits. With average drivers the difference should be even bigger. (If the tests results can be 'trusted')

Top
Threads

Board	Subject	Last post	Views	Replies
Porsche	The moment I've been waiting for...	5/18/22 6:36 PM Pilot	690832	1306
Porsche	OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)	2/8/23 9:20 AM RC	324294	1227
Porsche	SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II)	2/8/23 7:07 AM Gnil	222372	1352
Porsche	Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos)	1/28/23 3:45 AM Spyderidol	206736	465
Porsche	Porsche Taycan Turbo S - Short Review	10/6/22 12:37 AM Whoopsy	187975	580
Porsche	OFFICIAL: Cayman GT4 RS (2021)	2/8/23 4:06 PM Gauss	133492	68
Porsche	OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022	11/30/22 2:30 PM Gnil	58667	68
Porsche	OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)	12/25/22 1:02 AM CGX car nut	484484	2663
Porsche	992 GT3	2/1/23 7:03 AM Gnil	480421	3807
Porsche	Welcome to the new Taycan Forum!	1/21/23 3:51 PM CGX car nut	234689	1491
Porsche	Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design	9/30/22 6:31 PM Grant	232582	774
AMG	AMG GT R	3/13/22 8:52 PM spudgun	202556	834
Lambo	Aventador and SV	5/20/22 5:24 PM Topspeed	198673	710
Others	Tesla 2 the new thread	2/8/23 8:02 AM Leawood911	197888	2071
Porsche	GT4RS	12/30/22 1:28 AM JAMS	192999	1194
Motor Sp.	[2021] Formula 1	4/19/22 10:08 PM Leawood911	165628	1590
Others	Bugatti Chiron	8/30/22 4:31 PM Josef	162378	525
Ferrari	Ferrari 812 Superfast	6/12/22 5:09 PM watt	158480	535
BMW M	BMW M2 Rumors	2/28/22 7:42 PM Topspeed	145010	409
Porsche	Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour	2/8/23 10:17 AM RC	143478	537
Lambo	Urus (SUV)	6/7/22 1:20 PM Topspeed	139824	593
Others	Corvette C8	7/18/22 12:40 PM Whoopsy	138855	443
Porsche	Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife	7/4/22 10:42 PM DaveGordon	137280	722
Motor Sp.	[2022] Formula 1	2/4/23 1:10 AM Whoopsy	130077	1576
Others	Toyota Yaris GR	4/13/22 8:33 PM Grant	108668	640
Lambo	Huracán EVO STO	7/21/22 8:37 AM RC	107496	335
AMG	Mercedes E63 S AMG (2018) - Short Review (updated on a regular basis)	10/24/22 7:42 AM RC	105300	402
Ferrari	Wandered to the dark side	8/29/22 9:35 AM BiTurbo	80476	418
Ferrari	Ferrari Roma	4/18/22 4:33 PM watt	32795	438
Motor Sp.	MotoGP	6/6/22 11:49 PM watt	31878	328

Crown

Forum - Thread

997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Re: 997TT faster than 997GT3 on Nuerburgring

Forum

Boards