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Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
J.Seven:
Lars997:
Thanks Aldo - that sounds all pretty realistic.
I like the idea that the future Turbo is a Turbo-Hybrid... which will give the extra required push!
A 4 cilinder 911 realistic!!!???
J.Seven
come on... thats the future - we all know! How else you would push it below the 3 seconds mark!
If there wouldnt have been an water cooled, if there wouldnt have been an injector, if there wouldnt have been pdk, ..... the evolution is the future!
Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
Lars997:
come on... thats the future - we all know! How else you would push it below the 3 seconds mark!
If there wouldnt have been an water cooled, if there wouldnt have been an injector, if there wouldnt have been pdk, ..... the evolution is the future!
Best comment I read on a forum in a long time! 
Next gen BMW 5-series gets a 3-cylinder... Who would have thought that a few years ago!? 
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Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
J.Seven:
Lars997:
Thanks Aldo - that sounds all pretty realistic.
I like the idea that the future Turbo is a Turbo-Hybrid... which will give the extra required push!
A 4 cilinder 911 realistic!!!???
J.Seven
A four cylinder 911 is not realistic, they will re-introduce the 912.
Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
vevesse:
J.Seven:
Lars997:
Thanks Aldo - that sounds all pretty realistic.
I like the idea that the future Turbo is a Turbo-Hybrid... which will give the extra required push!
A 4 cilinder 911 realistic!!!???
J.Seven
A four cylinder 911 is not realistic, they will re-introduce the 912.
Would certainly improve the handling, if not the sex appeal.
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Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
Lars997:
J.Seven:
Lars997:
Thanks Aldo - that sounds all pretty realistic.
I like the idea that the future Turbo is a Turbo-Hybrid... which will give the extra required push!
A 4 cilinder 911 realistic!!!???
J.Seven
come on... thats the future - we all know! How else you would push it below the 3 seconds mark!
If there wouldnt have been an water cooled, if there wouldnt have been an injector, if there wouldnt have been pdk, ..... the evolution is the future!
You can't compare the water cooled, injectors or PDK, to a 4 cilinder engine on a 911. I agree with all those evolutions(4 cilinder apart), but using the term evolution to justify a 4 cylinder engine is like having a Diesel engine on the 911 justified by the economy it will provide, you won't see it.
J.Seven
Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
4 cylinder has, in the recent history and until now at least, never been (imho) a synonym for a sport car (with probably few exceptions such as the e30 M3) . With Porsche racing Le Mans with a 4 cylinder they will achieve, through their skillful marketing , to add value to a 4 cyl engine concept in their sport cars line up. I have no doubt the will do a great job but I am not much excited about a 4 cyl 911 (the sound alone > I guess it will be difficult to reproduce the flat six sound on a 4 pot).
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Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
ist all relative...in the future, 4 cylinders might be referred to as 'big blocks' compared to cars with 2 nd 3 cylinders.
we are conditioned to include the Sound of a car in evaluating its sportiness.....this will Change.
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Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
Lars997:
J.Seven:
Lars997:
Thanks Aldo - that sounds all pretty realistic.
I like the idea that the future Turbo is a Turbo-Hybrid... which will give the extra required push!
A 4 cilinder 911 realistic!!!???
J.Seven
come on... thats the future - we all know! How else you would push it below the 3 seconds mark!
If there wouldnt have been an water cooled, if there wouldnt have been an injector, if there wouldnt have been pdk, .....the evolution is the future!
Call me old fashioned, but I want my sports car to sound like a sports car not like a vacuum cleaner thank you very much. 
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Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
My first Porsche was a 944 S2 (3l, 211 hp) and there was a time, I would even have liked to look out for a 968 Turbo S (remember, Turbo charged 4cyl., 305 hp...290 km/h...)...on the track, I never felt that the 20 % difference in hp to the 964 (250 hp) was a real disadvantage...Therefore, if Porsche decides to introduce a new turbo charged 4cyl engine - YES, YES, I will like that...
Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
Lars997:
Thanks Aldo - that sounds all pretty realistic.
I like the idea that the future Turbo is a Turbo-Hybrid... which will give the extra required push!
Currently, there is no decision for a 4-cyl. in the 911. Nada. However, the 4-cyl. development engines for Boxster/Cayman of course would fit a future 911 too (if necessary).
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
intouch1:
ist all relative...in the future, 4 cylinders might be referred to as 'big blocks' compared to cars with 2 nd 3 cylinders.
we are conditioned to include the Sound of a car in evaluating its sportiness.....this will Change.
The EU has established new CO2 output limitations by 2020. Very restrictive.
Car manufacturers cannot ignore them and I'm afraid that sooner or later, it will hit the small manufacturers like Ferrari, Lamborghini and others pretty hard. Only solution I see: To integrate these companies in larger ones.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
RC:
Lars997:
Thanks Aldo - that sounds all pretty realistic.
I like the idea that the future Turbo is a Turbo-Hybrid... which will give the extra required push!
Currently, there is no decision for a 4-cyl. in the 911. Nada.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Would you like to bet? But please no peanuts!
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Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
ALDO:
RC:
Lars997:
Thanks Aldo - that sounds all pretty realistic.
I like the idea that the future Turbo is a Turbo-Hybrid... which will give the extra required push!
Currently, there is no decision for a 4-cyl. in the 911. Nada.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Would you like to bet? But please no peanuts!
How would I collect? 
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
intouch1:
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however, what will they call the 911 Turbo in the future ?
I think the Macan shows what the naming practice is going to be: the S is turbocharged; the Turbo is more turbocharged. And I assume the base car will have a 4-cylinder engine, also turbocharged.
Given the benefits of (turbo) charge-compounding to engine efficiency, it's going to be turbos everywhere in the near future. Even Ferrari is going in that direction.
Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
The car on the photos is camoflaged and other than a few cosmetic changes in the front bumper incl. turn signals and the "3D" tail lights, there is no other difference. 
Way better... 
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
Misha011:
One thing for sure - it will look great ( way better than 991 Turbo )
these " 911-50 " wheels look GREAT w/o the retro paint scheme as on the current special edition !
Unfortunately , it looks like they are gonna muck up the current sleek , thin triangular rear lamp clusters by enlarging and squaring them off for 991.2 , like they did from 997.1 to the ungainly saggy- eyelids 997.2 rear lights .
Dec 16, 2013 7:35:54 AM
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Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
I think we are seeing the 991.2 Carrera front bumper and back lights . The front is not aggressive enough to be the next turbo and it looks very much like a Carrera evolution . But is silly from P to show it on a Turbo .
The 991.2 looks again a much more intregrated front look as it was with 997.2 . Seems to be a pattern . And I like the integrated look much better .
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997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm
Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
Gnil:
I think we are seeing the 991.2 Carrera front bumper and back lights . The front is not aggressive enough to be the next turbo and it looks very much like a Carrera evolution . But is silly from P to show it on a Turbo .
The 991.2 looks again a much more intregrated front look as it was with 997.2 . Seems to be a pattern . And I like the integrated look much better .
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997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm
To save money during development, it is very possible that they use the same mules for different purposes. Maybe this was a Turbo mule and they just used the new Carrera facelift parts on it or whatever, it could be possible. I agree, if true, it may not have been the most clever idea (even if it would and did confuse the press) but on the other hand, the internet is full of rumors and stuff, so we shouldn't really take it too serious.
I can imagine (a little bit) that the 991 Turbo/Turbo S would get the Carrera facelift design elements but I cannot imagine that an actual Turbo/Turbo S facelift is going to happen within the next 24 months. Pretty much excluded.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Mar 23, 2014 12:22:21 PM
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Re: 991 Facelift...new engines?
RC:
Grant:
RC:
Grant:
RC:
I forgot: No 4-cyl. for the 911 but I'm afraid Boxster and Cayman drivers won't be happy.
Speaking of Cayman: Cayman GT4 seems to be a sure thing.
The turbo motors will make for a huge performance boost here at high altitude.
RC- What are your rumors or guesses at the specification for a Cayman GT4?
Don't put your hopes up, there is a reason they call it GT4 and not GT3.
Auto Zeitung says GT4 will be Twin-Turbo Flat-6. Do you agree? Maybe same motor as facelift Carrera or Carrera S?
All I know is that it won't be a 4-cyl.
From a production/profit point of view, using the 991 facelift engine for the Cayman GT4 would make A LOT of sense.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Sorry to barge in here like this and continuing the discussion between RC and Grant.
With the introduction of the Cayman GTS now at 340 hp is there any more news regarding a Cayman R replacement, called the GT4 I see. The GTS doesn't really seem to peak my interest for a more performance, sport oriented Cayman.
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