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    I drove the GTR @ Nürburgring GP

    I recently won a Drivers Republic competition to attend the Nissan Race Academy event at the Nürburging GP circuit. All the other participants had paid a deposit on the car. The event was a blast and was very well organised and hosted. The GTR does indeed have almost magical levels of grip and traction, even on a racetrack with P Zero tyres in the rain and a cold 8c. I doubt many cars could match its speed in these conditions. I would give the GTR ten out of ten for performance. 

    I drove the GTR for about five laps in the rain at speeds that would have resulted in spins and slides in any RWD car. I felt  I was getting close to the limits of the car by the end of five laps but, when I did two hot passenger laps with a racing driver, I soon discovered that the GTR can be pushed much faster with perfectly controlled four wheel drifts at  gut-wrenching G-levels. Do not underestimate the performance of the GTR; it exceeded my expectations. I also drove the GTR on the Eifel back roads for about 40 minutes where it was completely unfazed by the rain and composting leaves and felt totally secure at all times.

    But I would not buy this car as it is similar to my modded 996 Turbo X50 (with coilovers and 530 hp) in that it is a bit too easy to drive very fast. I much prefer the driving experience in a CSL or a 997 GT3, even though they cannot match the GTR in the dry and in the wet would be left far behind. Despite its truly extraordinary performance, the GTR just does not have the intangible combination of feel-good factors that makes me want to buy a sports car.

    The GTR is the probably the most significant car of the year in terms of performance, practicality and price. But it is not quite my cup of tea.


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    Re: I drove the GTR @ Nürburgring GP

    That must of been fun! interesting comments but makes sense, thanks for sharing  AUM Smiley
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    Re: I drove the GTR @ Nürburgring GP

    Very interesting - thanks for posting Smiley

    Re: I drove the GTR @ Nürburgring GP

    Thanks for sharing your impressions!

    If I understood well your conclusions are that the speed of the GT-R is due mainly to its AWD system and it is too clinical to be pure sports car fun.

    BTW, what was your time, and how does this compare to your 996Turbo+?


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    reginos:

    Thanks for sharing your impressions!

    If I understood well your conclusions are that the speed of the GT-R is due mainly to its AWD system and it is too clinical to be pure sports car fun.

     The GTR is mostly RWD until the back wheels start to lose traction. The AWD system works very well (note to Porsche) better than a 996 TT and much better than a 997 TT. But there are other reasons for its speed through corners. The whole engineering and technological package is very advanced. I would not describe the GTR as clinical, it is lots of fun. But  it is a similar concept to my 996 Turbo (although much superior) and I now prefer RWD cars.



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    AUM:

     The GTR is mostly RWD until the back wheels start to lose traction. The AWD system works very well (note to Porsche) better than a 996 TT and much better than a 997 TT. 


    It is a shame that Porsche haven't developed a superior AWD after all these years. Especially, if you think that they started the AWD sports car concept  with the 959 and the Carrera 4 later on.

    I expect that they will try much harder now with the GT-R publicity.


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    reginos:
    AUM:

     The GTR is mostly RWD until the back wheels start to lose traction. The AWD system works very well (note to Porsche) better than a 996 TT and much better than a 997 TT. 

    It is a shame that Porsche haven't developed a superior AWD after all these years. Especially, if you think that they started the AWD sports car concept  with the 959 and the Carrera 4 later on. I expect that they will try much harder now with the GT-R publicity.

     The current edition of Excellence (link below) writes about the new 997 C4, and suggests that its electro-multiplate coupling gives it much better traction and behaviour than the previous C4 and even suggests better traction than RWD cars.   Given the criticism I read on RennTeam and other reviews of the 997TT's identical AWD coupling, this praise seems a bit strange - is it a case of lower expectations in the C4 line?

     http://www.excellence-mag.com/art1/art1p1.html


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    4trac:
    reginos:
    AUM:

     The GTR is mostly RWD until the back wheels start to lose traction. The AWD system works very well (note to Porsche) better than a 996 TT and much better than a 997 TT. 

    It is a shame that Porsche haven't developed a superior AWD after all these years. Especially, if you think that they started the AWD sports car concept  with the 959 and the Carrera 4 later on. I expect that they will try much harder now with the GT-R publicity.

     The current edition of Excellence (link below) writes about the new 997 C4, and suggests that its electro-multiplate coupling gives it much better traction and behaviour than the previous C4 and even suggests better traction than RWD cars.   Given the criticism I read on RennTeam and other reviews of the 997TT's identical AWD coupling, this praise seems a bit strange - is it a case of lower expectations in the C4 line? 


    From what I understand the new version of the AWD system used on the 997 TT and the 997.2 is more than adequate for the road but most of the complaints come from people who track their cars. I don't know if a high  % of owners are track enthusiasts but nevertheless since Porsche promote their cars as fit for the road and track,  all their models should also perform on the track at top level.

    Re: I drove the GTR @ Nürburgring GP

    4trac:
    reginos:
    AUM:

     The GTR is mostly RWD until the back wheels start to lose traction. The AWD system works very well (note to Porsche) better than a 996 TT and much better than a 997 TT. 

    It is a shame that Porsche haven't developed a superior AWD after all these years. Especially, if you think that they started the AWD sports car concept  with the 959 and the Carrera 4 later on. I expect that they will try much harder now with the GT-R publicity.

     The current edition of Excellence (link below) writes about the new 997 C4, and suggests that its electro-multiplate coupling gives it much better traction and behaviour than the previous C4 and even suggests better traction than RWD cars.   Given the criticism I read on RennTeam and other reviews of the 997TT's identical AWD coupling, this praise seems a bit strange - is it a case of lower expectations in the C4 line?

     http://www.excellence-mag.com/art1/art1p1.html


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    From the article

     

    "Unlike the 997 Turbo, the new C4 and C4S come with the electro-magnetic center diff as standard equipment. Why is this trick diff optional on the $128,700 Turbo? Head of all-wheel-drive development Dr. Erhard Mössle suggests that’s a question better put to marketing, but indicates Weis sach is hard at work on the Turbo — mumbling something that sounds like “Nissan GT-R.” We look forward to the fruit of those labors, but Mössle can be proud of what his team has achieved in the latest C4."


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    Re: I drove the GTR @ Nürburgring GP

    AUM - yes I saw that comment as well, but that was also confusing as they state that the electric center diff. is optional on the 997TT.  I claim no expertise on the TT though I do follow its development, but I thought that the only driveline option on this car is the mechanical rear axle differential lock - that is not related to the center differential that controls the front/rear split and reactions.  

    But in any case  it seems that both the mechanical and the computer-brain parts of Porsche's system will now be pushed to greater levels - as you have been stating all along, the GT-R is good for Porsche fans for this reason alone.  Smiley



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    Re: I drove the GTR @ Nürburgring GP

    4trac:

    AUM - yes I saw that comment as well, but that was also confusing as they state that the electric center diff. is optional on the 997TT.  I claim no expertise on the TT though I do follow its development, but I thought that the only driveline option on this car is the mechanical rear axle differential lock - that is not related to the center differential that controls the front/rear split and reactions.  

    But in any case  it seems that both the mechanical and the computer-brain parts of Porsche's system will now be pushed to greater levels - as you have been stating all along, the GT-R is good for Porsche fans for this reason alone.  Smiley


    Very correct, no option for different central diff on either turbo or C4. Only rear mechanical LSD is optional on turbo but standard on C4.

    The GT-R publicity, even overstretched IMO, will only bring good results because the Porsche engineers will have to stop being complacent and work harder.


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    no pics?

    Re: I drove the GTR @ Nürburgring GP

    I expect MAJOR improvements for the 997TT.2 NBR lap times, 7.3X...

    Re: I drove the GTR @ Nürburgring GP

    AUM:

    The GTR is mostly RWD until the back wheels start to lose traction. The AWD system works very well (note to Porsche) better than a 996 TT and much better than a 997 TT. But there are other reasons for its speed through corners...

        ...AWS (All Wheel Steering), may be,...

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    Re: I drove the GTR @ Nürburgring GP

    Just wanted to say, I entered that.  Lucky bugga. Smiley

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