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    GT3 RS Supertest

    Here we are:

    Nordschleife: 7.47

    Hockenheim: 1.11,8

    0-100: 4.2
    0-200: 13.5

    200-0: 4.7

    65 from 70 possible points.

    What a great car! Congrats, Luigi!

    These are the numbers I expected from the Challenge Stradale.

    best
    sr

    Re: GT3 RS Supertest

    I'm especially pleased with the Ring time!
    Can anyone scan the article please?TIA

    There is one strange aspect though, comparing the acceleration figures with that of the GT3's supertest it emerges that the RS is substantially quicker in a straight line. I've done many side by side comparisons with MaxT's GT3 and we came to the conclusion that in a straight line contest the two cars are matched. This is quite strange...

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    Simple answer: the supertest car is a very special one

    Honestly, I would prefer Porsche to deliver "standard" test cars and I would prefer sport auto (and all similar publications) to question unreasonable performance figures. Otherwise, tests are useless.

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    0-200 are the numbers generated by a Gallardo at best or a Brabus K8 car!!!


    Seriously what is this business in Germany that AMS gets cars that have been given 200 extra hp?, I mean the Americans were duped when they got an SL600 which was "stock" to do 0-60mph in 3.6 seconds!!

    Does AMS not know how astonishing these figures are?

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    In Antwort auf:
    Bilal Siddiqui said:
    0-200 are the numbers generated by a Gallardo at best or a Brabus K8 car!!!


    Seriously what is this business in Germany that AMS gets cars that have been given 200 extra hp?, I mean the Americans were duped when they got an SL600 which was "stock" to do 0-60mph in 3.6 seconds!!

    Does AMS not know how astonishing these figures are?



    Question: how can you generate an extra 200 hp out of a normal aspirated boxer 6 with 3.8l capacity?

    best
    sr

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    Well aren't the 0-200 numbers for the GT3RS with 381bhp, and about 20kgs less weight a BIT OPTIMISTIC?

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    In Antwort auf:
    Bilal Siddiqui said:
    Well aren't the 0-200 numbers for the GT3RS with 381bhp, and about 20kgs less weight a BIT OPTIMISTIC?



    Well, if you look at the numbers of the GT3, NO THEY'RE NOT!

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    Well why do they sell the turbo and GT2 for so much more when a 70K GBp car outhandles and out accelerates in some areas?

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    Hummm...The test made by Sport Auto to the 996Turbo Cab were also very suspicious. The 0-200 accelaration time of the Turbo Cab was more than 1 sec faster than the coupé, (13,5Sec for Turbo cab and I believe 14,8 sec for coupé)and both had 420Hp I really don't trust anymore on Sport Auto tests, they have very strande results and they don't question those results.

    One last word just to say that the Spor Auto test was a side by side comparo between the 996Turbo Cab and the Mercedes SL 55 AMG

    J.Seven

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    J.Seven said:
    Hummm...The test made by Sport Auto to the 996Turbo Cab were also very suspicious. The 0-200 accelaration time of the Turbo Cab was more than 1 sec faster than the coupé, (13,5Sec for Turbo cab and I believe 14,8 sec for coupé)and both had 420Hp I really don't trust anymore on Sport Auto tests, they have very strande results and they don't question those results.

    One last word just to say that the Spor Auto test was a side by side comparo between the 996Turbo Cab and the Mercedes SL 55 AMG

    J.Seven



    Perhaps variances in temperature, humidity, and altittude? These could severely effect the proformance of a turbo car.

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    The variables you cite would impact a Normally Aspirated car, dropping air charge density...thus reducing air mass available at combustion, and reducing energy yield.

    Forced induction (largely) compensates for ambient conditions; hence, would expect a turbo car to run higher boost but achieve same power output.

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    brh986, 13,5Sec from 0-200Kph is what a 996 X50(450Hp) coupé which is lighter and with 30Hp more, does. So no way what ever weather conditions a 996 Turbo Cab could performed those results.

    J.Seven

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    Turbochargers DO "work" better in cooler temps, the air is denser so they are more efficient. One of my friends races an oldd 944 Turbo, and he loves this time of year at the track because his car performs better than in the middle of a hot summer.

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    Wow the GT3RS just rips! Awesome Nring numbers. The notion that the RS is making 200HP more is laughable! Hell the RSR race motor unrestricted makes a tad under 500hp. The 0-100 numbers are spot on with other tests. The GT3s have been doing dynos with around 400HP at the crank. A RS motor may have a tad more but not much. The car is lighter but most important it handles like a CUP car. Thats were all this time is made on the ring. I can't wait for the Supertest with the 04 GT2. Any guesses on its time?

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    Quote:
    J.Seven said:
    Hummm...The test made by Sport Auto to the 996Turbo Cab were also very suspicious. The 0-200 accelaration time of the Turbo Cab was more than 1 sec faster than the coupé, (13,5Sec for Turbo cab and I believe 14,8 sec for coupé)and both had 420Hp I really don't trust anymore on Sport Auto tests, they have very strande results and they don't question those results.



    Don't forget to take tires into consideration. Even if the have the same brand and type that doesn't mean there are no differences. Tire development is quite rapid. You can expect better tires every 6-12 months. Let's keep in mind that tires is the best value/money tuning one can do.

    Cheers
    Thomas

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    Quote:
    Bilal Siddiqui said:
    Well why do they sell the turbo and GT2 for so much more when a 70K GBp car outhandles and out accelerates in some areas?


    Well ... maybe due to the fact that the cars are completely different. Honestly if you would have ever driven a turbo and a gt3 (or gt3 rs) back to back you wouldn't even think about comparing the cars. Besides their 0-200kph times and top speeds the cars are just NOT COMPARABLE. Believe me having driven a 996tt for 3 years (80.000km; summer/winter, semi-slicks, race-tracks, etc.) and now driving a gr3rs I can tell you the cars have nothing in common.

    Cheers
    Thomas

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    In Antwort auf:
    Bilal Siddiqui said:
    Well why do they sell the turbo and GT2 for so much more when a 70K GBp car outhandles and out accelerates in some areas?



    996: standard 911
    GT3: sports version of the 911
    GT3 RS: race version of the 911 and poor man's GT2

    turbo: luxury sportscar for daily use but highly efficient on all tracks
    GT2: rich man's GT3

    Got it?

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    Don't patronise me, I know the Porsche range pretty well.

    Why would one pay for a GT2 when a GT3RS is comparable on the track and in some acceleration runs?

    The Turbo is the all-rounder but not really in the same league as an SL when it comes to comfort, seriously why does Porsche bother making the Turbo comfortable when it has such a firm ride and is so raw?

    Pound for Pound, the GT3 is the best car Porsche makes...best sound, great handling, performance near to Turbo if not as quick, and has A/C with bucket seats, I mean thats a true Porsche.

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    Bilal Siddiqui said:The Turbo is the all-rounder but not really in the same league as an SL when it comes to comfort, seriously why does Porsche bother making the Turbo comfortable when it has such a firm ride and is so raw?



    Because the Turbo can walk circles around an SL (and I'm not refering to straight-line acceleration), handle and give the driving experience and pleasure of a real sportcar while not being as raw as the GT2/GT3 for greater everyday usability, versatility and control thanks to its rear seats, PSM and AWD, greater ground clearance, less radical suspension setup, etc. IMO the 996TT is the best all around sportcar available in the market.

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    ahh, the old handling argument...

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    Bilal Siddiqui said:I know the Porsche range pretty well.



    Hell, I can read Porsche's website too.

    Your questions are sort of like, why do people like different kinds of cabernet sauvignon and merlots, when they are all a red wine and have the similar alcohol content? Some people want to have their cake, and eat it too. This means different things to different people.

    Perhaps the closest analogy that you'd understand is the difference between the CL55 and the CL600? Even that is not quite apt.

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    Man, this is getting really old..
    Bilal, come on, i'm tired of every thread getting hijacked by you pretending you don't understand a basic thing: we have different opinions about cars. Get over it.

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    Thread hijacking? What so I have to make an entire thread just to voice my opinions?

    I just think the best 911 is the GT3, but we have the RS, the GT2 which is a turbo but with RWD, and we have the turbo with 4WD. My point being, what does the Gt2 offer that the Gt3 doesn't? Or even Gt3 RS?

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    Quote:
    Bilal Siddiqui said:
    Thread hijacking? What so I have to make an entire thread just to voice my opinions?


    It's better than hijacking an interesting thread.

    Quote:

    I just think the best 911 is the GT3, but we have the RS, the GT2 which is a turbo but with RWD, and we have the turbo with 4WD. My point being, what does the Gt2 offer that the Gt3 doesn't? Or even Gt3 RS?


    And my point being, WHAT does this have to do with the GT3RS supertest?
    Yes, you ARE hijacking this thread.

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    My point is that 13.5 for a 0-200 time is really good, how can other Porsche's like the GT2 expect to sell against such in house cars as the GT3 and rs.


    If you have a problem and think im hijacking then ignore my posts, its not like you own rennteam.com. jeeze, <coughs> loser, just kidding

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    The Turbo takes me, my wife and two young children to visit grandma in a torrential rainstorm with the safety and peace of mind of PSM/AWD /side airbags and then next week blasting around canyons , steering " in a zone " with light touch as the supple chassis so nicely soaks up uneven pavement and PSM holds the road around wet leaves laid around bends. Bilal , you should experience it. It feels great on these winding Northern Claifornia roads .
    That's a great tool for my needs and I 'm glad Porsche makes it like that . A GT2/GT3/GT3RS /SL55or SL600 won't work for my needs.
    Can someone name another car anywhere that meets ALL the above requirements ( seating for four/ AWD/PSM/ side airbags/0-150 in less than 22 seconds /0-60 in less than 4 secs/ pulls .9 + g , slaloms at 68-69 mph AND gets 26 mpg hiway/21 mpg fuel economy around town and serviced anywhere ?

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    Oh, and one more thing , after blasting the car in the hills, I'll pull straight into the Whole Foods parking lot nondescriptly and load up the Turbo with the following week's groceries for the family , too.

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    MKW - Enjoy that family car while you can - that TT isn't going to be too comfy when the kids are a few years older

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    i believe the RS shipped with Corsas. the GT2 time was with Pilot Sports. equivalent times are still 10 sec.s apart.

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    Quote:
    Grant said:
    MKW - Enjoy that family car while you can - that TT isn't going to be too comfy when the kids are a few years older



    They're both girls , under 8 , so I have a ways to go even with next generation Turbo . OTOH, if I get a Turbo cab, I could sit back there with the top down, since headroom is a far greater limiting issue than legroom. if you've been back there.

     
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