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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Congrats ! It's a epic car 


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    The 992 Turbo looks fantastic. It has a very muscular stance and pleasing proportions that we hadn't seen since the 964 model.

    The other 992 models presented so far, leave me rather cold, fin terms of styling.

    It looks stunning in white as above but I saw one in GT silver and it also looked very fitting.

     


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    I think they need to compare with jet planes..not cars smiley


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    pgouveia:

    I think they need to compare with jet planes..not cars smiley

    Jets are slower during the run down the runway until takeoff. 


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    This one is worth a watch, Mr JWW, fast forward to the runway action, starts about 6 min.

    He keeps saying he did 211mph which he did on the speedo but through the radar it was 200.03 so he still managed to crack 200mph !

    His quarter miles was timed at 133.59 mph and half mile at 165.52mph

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRz1ns2SXeA&feature=emb_rel_end

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    you get the point Smiley


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    TB993tt:

    This one is worth a watch, Mr JWW, fast forward to the runway action, starts about 6 min.

    He keeps saying he did 211mph which he did on the speedo but through the radar it was 200.03 so he still managed to crack 200mph !

    His quarter miles was timed at 133.59 mph and half mile at 165.52mph

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRz1ns2SXeA&feature=emb_rel_end

    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    2018 McLaren 720S 

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.

    Makes total sense when compared to the previous generation (991.1 & 991.2) which puts it close to 10.4 ~ 10.5

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Sport Auto France - 911 Turbo S (992)

    Acceleration:

    0-100: 2,6
    0-160: 5,7
    0-200: 8,8

    1/4 Mile: 10,4 @ 215 km/h

    1000m: 19,1 @ 271 km/h


    Braking:

    200 - 0: 139m


    Weight: 1,661 kg

    Tires: Pirelli P Zero


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    We drive plenty of cool cars around here, but Porsche 911 Turbos are like Christmas. The anticipation of getting behind the wheel is pure agony, but once you finally do get the opportunity, it’s everything you hoped it would be. So, come along for a real celebration, as we hit the start button on the new Porsche 911 Turbo S, and the 40th season of MotorWeek!

    While the original 911 Turbo was the definition of a driver’s car, as you really had to know what you were doing to get the most out of it, being on high alert for instant oversteer when the turbos aggressively kicked in. Today’s 2021 Porsche 911 Turbo S is nothing like that; it’s more akin to a Honda Civic that got hacked by a rogue German programmer to perform like an exotic Italian supercar.

    Not that it is domesticated by any means, the amount of boost being forced into the twin-turbo 3.8-liter flat-6 engine, and the power coming out of the other end, is mind-boggling. 640-horsepower out of a basic engine design that was developed with slide rulers and calculators, not computers; but again, delivered tamely. More noticeable, is the 590 lb-ft. of torque, which is 37 more than was available last year, and max torque is available at all times, not just in overboost as before. 

    And as a reminder, that first Turbo that was so insane with power? 234-horsepower. We could go on and on about 911 Turbo history, but there’s a track here and a new 911 Turbo S to be driven on it. 

    The track is the 2-mile road course of Dominion Raceway in Thornburg, Virginia; and eating up straights after coming hard out of any of its 12-turns, is where this car really excels. 

    The upgraded 8-speed PDK transmission does a nice job of both having you in the right gear and keeping turbo lag to a minimum.

    All-wheel-drive remains a part of the Turbo package, and not only does the management software deal out torque more freely, but it also sends more to the front wheels than ever before; helping to tame oversteer tendencies by delivering more power, not taking it from you. 

    But that does lead to some understeer, particularly through Dominion’s slow, right-hand carousel. Despite massive grip, you do still need to exercise some restraint when getting on the throttle. But, once you do start to feed in power, you can pretty much go all in and let the car’s many systems do the hard work for you. 

    Ceramic Composite brakes are standard in the Turbo S and in addition to getting larger, the front calipers now house 10-pistons. We had no issues, as they performed flawlessly throughout our track day.

    Active aero not only controls the larger rear wing, but front air flaps as well, adding downforce where appropriate.

    Putting all your force on the Turbo’s accelerator pedal on a drag strip, is about as special an experience as it gets.  

    Flawless launch control rockets you off the line and to 60 in just 2.6-seconds; while firm gear changes in the PDK keep the insane power pouring on. The many onboard computers pretty much handle everything, dealing out max power to the appropriate places for maximum grip and acceleration. Your only job really, is just keeping the wheel pointed straight and trying to keep the grins off your face during the 10.5-second trip down the ¼-mile, finishing with the Turbo S travelling at 136 miles-per-hour. 

    As capable as it is, you can still have plenty of fun on a back road without feeling like you’re about to do major harm to the car or yourself, it’s even a dream to drive on the highway. Performance in normal mode is far and above most car’s sport or track modes; it may not be able to lap as quickly as say a GT3 RS, but it’s so much better on the street, there’s no comparison.

    You may not have thought it possible, but everything is indeed wider than before; that will have to end at some point we imagine, but not today. The interior, more luxurious than ever, with customization options aplenty. 

    An available front axle lift system keeps driveway scrapes to a minimum; and if you save the location in the GPS, it will automatically happen whenever you approach that exact spot.  

    Government Fuel Economy Ratings haven’t been finalized, but we averaged a fine 20.3 miles-per-gallon of Premium. 

    Base pricing of $204,850 keeps the Turbo S something special, much like its driving experience; and yes you can get a convertible as well for $12,800 more. 

    No doubt about it, the 2021 Porsche 911 Turbo S is the most civilized high-performance exotic you can buy, which ironically enough, is exactly what we said about the first Turbo we tested 30-years ago. Driving it is like getting exactly what you wanted on Christmas morning, and finding out it’s actually way better than you ever imagined. 

    A modern technological marvel? Yes. Yet, it’s far from the most special Porsches we’ve driven. Many consider the 1988 Porsche 959 to be the first modern supercar. And this modern retro, 763  horsepower, Canepa 959SC supercar, proves that Porsche's technology and performance D.N.A. is strong enough to stand the test of time.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Is the 992 turbo an exotic car? I don’t consider it as such nor do I believe Porsche would describe it that way.enlightened


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    nberry:

    Is the 992 turbo an exotic car? I don’t consider it as such nor do I believe Porsche would describe it that way.enlightened

    To the writer maybe?  Not sure where the review was from, sounded like a newspaper review, where they normally drive Kias.  To me it has the street impact of just a 911, that happens to have the performance of an exotic.... only the driver knows. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    nberry:

    Is the 992 turbo an exotic car? I don’t consider it as such nor do I believe Porsche would describe it that way.enlightened

     

    To some, above a certain price point, will be considered an 'exotic' car. 

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    nberry:

    Is the 992 turbo an exotic car? I don’t consider it as such nor do I believe Porsche would describe it that way.enlightened

    Too much sun in La Jolla Smiley

    It is a USD 250k car. That is pretty much exotic for anyone not being in the 1%. 


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    Most journalist don't get the Turbo obviously - it's never ment to give you a exotic feel....it's the fastest all around/weather commuter with enough luggage space to drive with yr misses 1 week away including shopping - no other car doing 2.6 sec to 100 does that.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    BjoernB:

    Most journalist don't get the Turbo obviously - it's never ment to give you a exotic feel....it's the fastest all around/weather commuter with enough luggage space to drive with yr misses 1 week away including shopping - no other car doing 2.6 sec to 100 does that.

    It is actually the fastest daily driver supercar on this planet. There is no substitute. If I could have only one car, the 992 Turbo S certainly would be it. Not my favorite weekend toy though, the competition is big and many cars are more fun for the rare emotional fun drive on weekends.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    BiTurbo:

    We drive plenty of cool cars around here, but Porsche 911 Turbos are like Christmas. The anticipation of getting behind the wheel is pure agony, but once you finally do get the opportunity, it’s everything you hoped it would be. So, come along for a real celebration, as we hit the start button on the new Porsche 911 Turbo S, and the 40th season of MotorWeek!

    While the original 911 Turbo was the definition of a driver’s car, as you really had to know what you were doing to get the most out of it, being on high alert for instant oversteer when the turbos aggressively kicked in. Today’s 2021 Porsche 911 Turbo S is nothing like that; it’s more akin to a Honda Civic that got hacked by a rogue German programmer to perform like an exotic Italian supercar.

    Not that it is domesticated by any means, the amount of boost being forced into the twin-turbo 3.8-liter flat-6 engine, and the power coming out of the other end, is mind-boggling. 640-horsepower out of a basic engine design that was developed with slide rulers and calculators, not computers; but again, delivered tamely. More noticeable, is the 590 lb-ft. of torque, which is 37 more than was available last year, and max torque is available at all times, not just in overboost as before. 

    And as a reminder, that first Turbo that was so insane with power? 234-horsepower. We could go on and on about 911 Turbo history, but there’s a track here and a new 911 Turbo S to be driven on it. 

    The track is the 2-mile road course of Dominion Raceway in Thornburg, Virginia; and eating up straights after coming hard out of any of its 12-turns, is where this car really excels. 

    The upgraded 8-speed PDK transmission does a nice job of both having you in the right gear and keeping turbo lag to a minimum.

    All-wheel-drive remains a part of the Turbo package, and not only does the management software deal out torque more freely, but it also sends more to the front wheels than ever before; helping to tame oversteer tendencies by delivering more power, not taking it from you. 

    But that does lead to some understeer, particularly through Dominion’s slow, right-hand carousel. Despite massive grip, you do still need to exercise some restraint when getting on the throttle. But, once you do start to feed in power, you can pretty much go all in and let the car’s many systems do the hard work for you. 

    Ceramic Composite brakes are standard in the Turbo S and in addition to getting larger, the front calipers now house 10-pistons. We had no issues, as they performed flawlessly throughout our track day.

    Active aero not only controls the larger rear wing, but front air flaps as well, adding downforce where appropriate.

    Putting all your force on the Turbo’s accelerator pedal on a drag strip, is about as special an experience as it gets.  

    Flawless launch control rockets you off the line and to 60 in just 2.6-seconds; while firm gear changes in the PDK keep the insane power pouring on. The many onboard computers pretty much handle everything, dealing out max power to the appropriate places for maximum grip and acceleration. Your only job really, is just keeping the wheel pointed straight and trying to keep the grins off your face during the 10.5-second trip down the ¼-mile, finishing with the Turbo S travelling at 136 miles-per-hour. 

    As capable as it is, you can still have plenty of fun on a back road without feeling like you’re about to do major harm to the car or yourself, it’s even a dream to drive on the highway. Performance in normal mode is far and above most car’s sport or track modes; it may not be able to lap as quickly as say a GT3 RS, but it’s so much better on the street, there’s no comparison.

    You may not have thought it possible, but everything is indeed wider than before; that will have to end at some point we imagine, but not today. The interior, more luxurious than ever, with customization options aplenty. 

    An available front axle lift system keeps driveway scrapes to a minimum; and if you save the location in the GPS, it will automatically happen whenever you approach that exact spot.  

    Government Fuel Economy Ratings haven’t been finalized, but we averaged a fine 20.3 miles-per-gallon of Premium. 

    Base pricing of $204,850 keeps the Turbo S something special, much like its driving experience; and yes you can get a convertible as well for $12,800 more. 

    No doubt about it, the 2021 Porsche 911 Turbo S is the most civilized high-performance exotic you can buy, which ironically enough, is exactly what we said about the first Turbo we tested 30-years ago. Driving it is like getting exactly what you wanted on Christmas morning, and finding out it’s actually way better than you ever imagined. 

    A modern technological marvel? Yes. Yet, it’s far from the most special Porsches we’ve driven. Many consider the 1988 Porsche 959 to be the first modern supercar. And this modern retro, 763  horsepower, Canepa 959SC supercar, proves that Porsche's technology and performance D.N.A. is strong enough to stand the test of time.

     

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    https://youtu.be/7bYaRG2t2WE


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    Interesting video (they included a turbo s cabriolet and tested it with roof down Smiley):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bYaRG2t2WE

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    MKSGR:

    Interesting video (they included a turbo s cabriolet and tested it with roof down Smiley):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bYaRG2t2WE

     

    10.4 seconds...this is more the real thing (customer cars, not a factory car like the one who did 10.1). Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    RC:
    MKSGR:

    Interesting video (they included a turbo s cabriolet and tested it with roof down Smiley):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bYaRG2t2WE

     

    10.4 seconds...this is more the real thing (customer cars, not a factory car like the one who did 10.1). Smiley

    10.4s... But with open roof and on a wet road...

    P.S.: The Coupe had the standard wheels whereas the Cabriolet had the optional (slightly wider) ones. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    MKSGR:
    RC:
    MKSGR:

    Interesting video (they included a turbo s cabriolet and tested it with roof down Smiley):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bYaRG2t2WE

     

    10.4 seconds...this is more the real thing (customer cars, not a factory car like the one who did 10.1). Smiley

    10.4s... But with open roof and on a wet road...

    Road wasn't really wet when they started off the line (it just started raining and the Turbo S has AWD) and aerodynamics only play a role at higher speeds (you could clearly see how the Coupe drove away at some point).

    P.S.: The Coupe had the standard wheels whereas the Cabriolet had the optional (slightly wider) ones. 

    Not really much of a difference on such cars.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    RC:
    MKSGR:
    RC:
    MKSGR:

    Interesting video (they included a turbo s cabriolet and tested it with roof down Smiley):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bYaRG2t2WE

     

    10.4 seconds...this is more the real thing (customer cars, not a factory car like the one who did 10.1). Smiley

    10.4s... But with open roof and on a wet road...

    Road wasn't really wet when they started off the line (it just started raining and the Turbo S has AWD) and aerodynamics only play a role at higher speeds (you could clearly see how the Coupe drove away at some point).

    P.S.: The Coupe had the standard wheels whereas the Cabriolet had the optional (slightly wider) ones. 

    Not really much of a difference on such cars.

    I have a different opinion on each of the points Smiley

    Obviously, the time will be better if:

    - road is not moist
    - roof is closed
    - tires are stickier

    All their tested numbers seem very valid based on this video, including the 10.2 they tested in ideal conditions; also, you can see that three different 992 performed basically identical which is also nice to see Smiley

    My impression is that the only car (excluding very exotic options) I would consider faster at high speeds above 200kph is the 720s. Everything else will be slower or same performance in best case (F8, Aventador 750 etc.). Porsche did an excellent job. The two main advantages of the 992 turbo s are, however: enormous front grip and stability + the emotional side (sound is much more special than in earlier generations of the car) Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    MKSGR:
    RC:
    MKSGR:
    RC:
    MKSGR:

    Interesting video (they included a turbo s cabriolet and tested it with roof down Smiley):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bYaRG2t2WE

     

    10.4 seconds...this is more the real thing (customer cars, not a factory car like the one who did 10.1). Smiley

    10.4s... But with open roof and on a wet road...

    Road wasn't really wet when they started off the line (it just started raining and the Turbo S has AWD) and aerodynamics only play a role at higher speeds (you could clearly see how the Coupe drove away at some point).

    P.S.: The Coupe had the standard wheels whereas the Cabriolet had the optional (slightly wider) ones. 

    Not really much of a difference on such cars.

    I have a different opinion on each of the points Smiley

    Obviously, the time will be better if:

    - road is not moist
    - roof is closed
    - tires are stickier

    All their tested numbers seem very valid based on this video, including the 10.2 they tested in ideal conditions; also, you can see that three different 992 performed basically identical which is also nice to see Smiley

    My impression is that the only car (excluding very exotic options) I would consider faster at high speeds above 200kph is the 720s. Everything else will be slower or same performance in best case (F8, Aventador 750 etc.). Porsche did an excellent job. The two main advantages of the 992 turbo s are, however: enormous front grip and stability + the emotional side (sound is much more special than in earlier generations of the car) Smiley

    Markus is right. 

    Lambo just isn’t as fast as you think it is RC. Porsche is always the surprising winner in tests simply because they under rate their published performance, just so any person can match or beat whatever they published. 


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haEnuqxAllg

     


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    Seems like the F8 has the full 720hp as it gains on the turbo above 200kph. Seems as quick as the 720s.

    P.S.: They did not compare the F8 spider to the 992 cabriolet... Would make more sense, of course


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Ferrari really dropped the ball with the design of the F8 - this is one fugly car IMO. 


     
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