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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    nberry:
    RC:

    Nick, I tracked my cars for over 25 years...I just don't see the point anymore to be every weekend on the track. I would never call someone who doesn't track his car a poseur but I would call those poseurs who get such cars only to make some bullshit donuts and red light "drag racing" during car meets. Smiley Last year's cars and coffee meet was full of such people, it just is pathetic and embarrassing, throwing a shady light on all those who enjoy driving these cars. Revving at the stop light like a nut job...poseur. Driving in first gear at 6000 or more rpm in a 30 kph zone downtown, just to show off to the cafe crowd sitting at tables along the street...poseur. Flippers aren't poseurs, they are even worse, they don't care at all about these cars. Poseurs at least drive the cars, even if they give drivers of such cars often a bad reputation.

    Christian, as I have. Going around in circles trying to gain a second while abusing the car no longer appeals to me. The poseur moniker is used to express anger by those unable to get the car they want.Smiley

    Asking for respect for not tracking an "RS" by ridiculing those who do is not going to get you far Nick.

    Also, I wasn't refering to you when I was talking about poseurs (Christian described well what poseurs were). Not tracking an RS doesn't make you a poseur, not to me at leastl and would never call you a poseur for that. Even  though it was made for tracking I believe you can still enjoy it on mountain roads, twisties and such.

    FWIW I've never been interested in getting a GT car since it does not meet my needs (if I could have a second 911 I would) but my anger towards poseurs is that they both, give a bad image to sportscars in general, and prevent others like Leawood and Dave from getting one.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Carlos from Spain:
    Asking for respect for not tracking an "RS" by ridiculing those who do is not going to get you far Nick.

     He did? I guess I missed something. Smiley This is plain wrong! What is wrong with having some fun on the track? Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    The base Carrera

     

    https://www.motor.es/noticias/porsche-911-carrera-4-992-filtrado-201955813.html

     

    400hp?


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:
    Asking for respect for not tracking an "RS" by ridiculing those who do is not going to get you far Nick.

     He did? I guess I missed something. Smiley This is plain wrong! What is wrong with having some fun on the track? Smiley

    I was just referring to the comment of going around in circles abusing the car and other previous comments about tracking. The truth is in the middle of the two extremes, tracking is not the only way to enjoy a sportscar but tracking is a lot of fun and very instructive.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Wonderbar:

    Whoopsy,  does this take cost savings, or other financial factors into account?

     

    There wasn't explanation as to the how, but 2018 saw the introduction of the new Cayenne which carries a jacked up MSRP compared to the last generation. And also the bulk of the GT2RS, the highest priced 911, were sold in 2018.

    Macan sales is pretty much flat, so is Panamera. 

    The increased in basically came from higher average selling price of a 911 and the new Cayenne. 

    Net profit only grew by 4%. So there was't much cost saving measures in effect.

     

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Carlos from Spain:
    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:
    Asking for respect for not tracking an "RS" by ridiculing those who do is not going to get you far Nick.

     He did? I guess I missed something. Smiley This is plain wrong! What is wrong with having some fun on the track? Smiley

    I was just referring to the comment of going around in circles abusing the car and other previous comments about tracking. The truth is in the middle of the two extremes, tracking is not the only way to enjoy a sportscar but tracking is a lot of fun and very instructive.

    Carlos, don't be disingenuous. SmileySmiley

     

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Don’t worry Nberry, like you said: he’s probably just jealous. 

    We all are Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Yup - especially of the green GT3RS...…(I wasn't even able to get a lowly GT3 - did I mention that??) 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Poseur is the typical guy coming to the track day, enter the garage, revvs the car during 5 min, go out on the parking lot, rev the car again and start to do drag race on the parking... and park the car. smiley

    I have the pictures of our last event, I need better internet connection and will open a thread for it. full of poseurs, 3 hours of track time - 90 cars attending not even half on the track...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    the-missile:

    Poseur is the typical guy coming to the track day, enter the garage, revvs the car during 5 min, go out on the parking lot, rev the car again and start to do drag race on the parking... and park the car. smiley

    I have the pictures of our last event, I need better internet connection and will open a thread for it. full of poseurs, 3 hours of track time - 90 cars attending not even half on the track...

    Well, you do not understand ... those guys have certainly issues with their cars, that is why they test their cars... Smiley

    Opening a "track thread" would be a good idea, though my possible contributions / days on track will only start in July... kiss


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    @the-missile: ...by the way, I had my last track experience recently on March 12th...TRAINYAS ... Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    the-missile:

    Poseur is the typical guy coming to the track day, enter the garage, revvs the car during 5 min, go out on the parking lot, rev the car again and start to do drag race on the parking... and park the car. smiley

    I have the pictures of our last event, I need better internet connection and will open a thread for it. full of poseurs, 3 hours of track time - 90 cars attending not even half on the track...

    Smiley Why would people do that? Just to be there? 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    RC:

    Smiley Why would people do that? Just to be there? 

    Poseurs come, make noise, burn some tyres occasionnaly, attract attention and park and talk about their car. they will post pictures on social media and then leave. Exhausting track day.

    that is the way it works when you are a professional poser Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Netflix has a fun documentation about "Gentlemen Drivers". In one scene they sit at a table and discuss why they are driving in circles and spend tons of money for it. They agree, that it is because it's one of the rare occasions, that they don't think about business, stuff that needs to be done, problems that need to be fixed etc. From my limited experience it is exactly like that and it is not about squeezing a second here or there. Just my 2ct


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    schmoell:

    Netflix has a fun documentation about "Gentlemen Drivers". In one scene they sit at a table and discuss why they are driving in circles and spend tons of money for it. They agree, that it is because it's one of the rare occasions, that they don't think about business, stuff that needs to be done, problems that need to be fixed etc. From my limited experience it is exactly like that and it is not about squeezing a second here or there. Just my 2ct

    I'm all in on that. It's a great way to get away from it all. But the car does take a beating because no matter how much you want to stay within yourself there always the itch/want to do better (human nature). Smiley

    Try golf; it'll take your mind off a lot of things. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Porsche 992 preview events being held at Official Porsche Centres in the UK...

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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    nberry:
    schmoell:

    Netflix has a fun documentation about "Gentlemen Drivers". In one scene they sit at a table and discuss why they are driving in circles and spend tons of money for it. They agree, that it is because it's one of the rare occasions, that they don't think about business, stuff that needs to be done, problems that need to be fixed etc. From my limited experience it is exactly like that and it is not about squeezing a second here or there. Just my 2ct

    I'm all in on that. It's a great way to get away from it all. But the car does take a beating because no matter how much you want to stay within yourself there always the itch/want to do better (human nature). Smiley

    Try golf; it'll take your mind off a lot of things. Smiley

    I tried golf, I sucked in it and was constantly stressed out by better players impatiently waiting behind........

    At least at the track, better drivers can pass the slower ones.


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    As they say, there are two things one can be really bad at and still love to do.....sex and golfsmiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    nberry:

    As they say, there are two things one can be really bad at and still love to do.....sex and golfsmiley

    Smiley

    tried golf once and had back pain for a week. Will stay with the other occupations for now Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Golf is the hardest game to play and most frustrating thing ever.

    I used to have a very volatile and bad temper, and it gets really bad playing when playing golf.

    But then I realized the more angry I am the worse I play. I learned to check my temperament at the door and suck it up the nI realize the more angry I get the worse I play. The anger clouded my judgement on course.

    It's a great life lesson, temperament affects judgement. Now I know when and how to control my temper. All thanks to golf.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Whoopsy:

    Golf is the hardest game to play and most frustrating thing ever.

    I used to have a very volatile and bad temper, and it gets really bad playing when playing golf.

    But then I realized the more angry I am the worse I play. I learned to check my temperament at the door and suck it up the nI realize the more angry I get the worse I play. The anger clouded my judgement on course.

    It's a great life lesson, temperament affects judgement. Now I know when and how to control my temper. All thanks to golf.

     

    I agree. Also, golf  strips the veneer off any person playing it. The true character and personality will surface.Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    nberry:

    I agree. Also, golf  strips the veneer off any person playing it. The true character and personality will surface.Smiley

    Maybe that's why a particular (nameless) head of state is said to cheat endlessly at golf Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Porsche 992 in red... 

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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Grant:
    nberry:

    I agree. Also, golf  strips the veneer off any person playing it. The true character and personality will surface.Smiley

    Maybe that's why a particular (nameless) head of state is said to cheat endlessly at golf Smiley

    Well...remember what they said about Reagan? Smiley Ask my former religion teacher, he knew best. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Great write up. Thank you 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Another rumor: 992 Turbo and GT3 available 2020 already. Maybe Targa too. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Heard the same rumour: Turbo and Turbo S in spring 2020, Targa and Cayenne GTS in summer.

    GT3 in fall of the same year...


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Why the hurry? 

    Upcoming problems with future emission standards? 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Rossi:

    Why the hurry? 

    Upcoming problems with future emission standards? 

    Possible...

    Facelifts get a (mild) hybrid... Smiley Also smaller headlights. Smiley Smiley

     
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