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    Re: Aventador and SV

    They all cheat to a point. These are factory laps times with only one idea in mind: be as fast as possible.

    The only real benchmark would be costumer cars with the same driver under the same track and weather conditions. Too hard to happen.


    Re: Aventador and SV

    SciFrog:

    They all cheat to a point. These are factory laps times with only one idea in mind: be as fast as possible.

    True but since all try to achieve the maximum possible, the results are quite comparable.

    The only real benchmark would be costumer cars with the same driver under the same track and weather conditions. Too hard to happen.

    Impossible. This is why the Sport Auto reviews are quite comparable and the best there is for now but Christian Gebhard, like many other semi-professional or even professional drivers, have their "difficulties" with AWD cars, so it isn't a surprise that they sometimes achieve worse times with AWD cars. Overall however, the Sport Auto times are comparable, also because they check the cars for (manufacturer) cheating attempts. They put them on the dyno (if they achieve the precise factory claim, this is always questionable as well, especially on turbo charged cars), they check the chassis alignment settings, etc..


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    They don’t struggle with AWD. RWD is faster if you are at the top of the game, ie for these semi and full pros. But that is a very small pool of people. For all the others, AWD will be faster. Unless they post slower lap time for “amateurs”, AWD will be behind in published tests.


    Re: Aventador and SV

    SciFrog:

    They don’t struggle with AWD. RWD is faster if you are at the top of the game, ie for these semi and full pros. But that is a very small pool of people. For all the others, AWD will be faster. Unless they post slower lap time for “amateurs”, AWD will be behind in published tests.

    I didn't say they struggle, they just have a driving style which "benefits" RWD cars. Understandable, since most race/track cars are RWD.


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    RC:
    BiTurbo:

    Weight went up due to the equipments installed, but the roll cage alone does wonders around the track to squeeze out better lap times.

    The roll cage does nothing in the case of the Performante. If manufacturers want to cheat, they have three ways to do it:

    1. Power (Performante in the Sport Auto test was underpowered, not only in the dyno test but also when measuring straight line performance)

    2. Weight (Performante in the Sport Auto test was heavier than standard Performante)

    3. Tires (This is where manufacturers could cheat easily but Sport Auto usually checks the tires as well, so they don't use prototypes with better grip on the track).

    All above three are way easier methods to cheat, especially the first and the third one. Smiley

    I have over 4000 km on my Performante now, I've driven yesterday back to back with a GT3 RS and trust me, the Performante is not slow in curves and it doesn't need any extra stability, the body doesn't seem to move a bit. I have Corsa road tires, the GT3 RS had Cup 2s, so... Smiley Tire temperature was perfect for grip, on his and my car. The Corsa isn't really that slower on the Nordschleife btw., I heard that the Trofeo R gives you "only" 10 seconds or so on the Nordschleife. For amateur drivers, the difference would be probably only 5 seconds or even less, not really worth it. Unless of course you do more than one round, then the Trofeo R makes really sense. 

    If you think Lamborghini cheats, I think you're wrong.

     

    Don't be shocked when / if you ever put your personal car on an actual scale and compare it to Sport Auto's test car with all the equipments installed, without a door handle and a custom bucket seat + unusual trim with factory plates Smiley

    I have a feeling you'll continue to backfire until the replies stop Smiley


    Re: Aventador and SV

    You really seem to have a beef with Lamborghini... Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    BiTurbo:
    RC:
    BiTurbo:

    Weight went up due to the equipments installed, but the roll cage alone does wonders around the track to squeeze out better lap times.

    The roll cage does nothing in the case of the Performante. If manufacturers want to cheat, they have three ways to do it:

    1. Power (Performante in the Sport Auto test was underpowered, not only in the dyno test but also when measuring straight line performance)

    2. Weight (Performante in the Sport Auto test was heavier than standard Performante)

    3. Tires (This is where manufacturers could cheat easily but Sport Auto usually checks the tires as well, so they don't use prototypes with better grip on the track).

    All above three are way easier methods to cheat, especially the first and the third one. Smiley

    I have over 4000 km on my Performante now, I've driven yesterday back to back with a GT3 RS and trust me, the Performante is not slow in curves and it doesn't need any extra stability, the body doesn't seem to move a bit. I have Corsa road tires, the GT3 RS had Cup 2s, so... Smiley Tire temperature was perfect for grip, on his and my car. The Corsa isn't really that slower on the Nordschleife btw., I heard that the Trofeo R gives you "only" 10 seconds or so on the Nordschleife. For amateur drivers, the difference would be probably only 5 seconds or even less, not really worth it. Unless of course you do more than one round, then the Trofeo R makes really sense. 

    If you think Lamborghini cheats, I think you're wrong.

     

    Don't be shocked when / if you ever put your personal car on an actual scale and compare it to Sport Auto's test car with all the equipments installed, without a door handle and a custom bucket seat + unusual trim with factory plates Smiley

    I have a feeling you'll continue to backfire until the replies stop Smiley


    What makes you think Lamborghini would be special in this respect? The Performante from Sport Auto was quite heavy, I'd say customer cars will be the same. Of course the weight is far off the official weight numbers, which are often quoted as dry weight. So the official 1.350 kg quickly transforms into something like 1.600 kg on the street. But Lamborghini is no different to Ferrari in this respect for example. If we're talking about weight, McLaren is the best, they actually achieve their official numbers which are moreover the lowest in the business.


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Maybe this helps:

    1/4 Mile in my Huracan Performante. Only one run, full tank, one passenger (my son), 31°C outside temp (a bit hot), public road/Autobahn (no drag strip), car had 3500 km at that time.

    Real life performance, no car magazine, nothing.

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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Had a better 1/8 mile run but had to abort due to traffic...

    Again: No drag strip, no special tires, public road, full tank, passenger, hot outside (31°C).

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    Re: Aventador and SV

    RC:

    You really seem to have a beef with Lamborghini... Smiley

    No beef with nobody, they've been full of their own bs lately particularly the "SVJ" + I do love my LP550-2 with 3 pedals and would get a V12 bull, if they had plans to revive the manual, which isn't happening Smiley


    Re: Aventador and SV

    The SVJ is an amazing product from Lamborghini Smiley. A bit pricey, I agree but otherwise, a wonderful car. It has character and it looks like a piece of art (or car porn Smiley).


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    You are biased. indecision


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Rossi:

    You are biased. indecision

    Oh yes, I am. Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    RC:
    Rossi:

    You are biased. indecision

    Oh yes, I am. Smiley


    At least you admit it. Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Aventador replacement?


    Re: Aventador and SV

    Don't think so. People talk about a hybrid 1000hp hypercar based on Terzo Millennio Concept

    Terzo Millennio Concept:


    Re: Aventador and SV

    That thing is beyond ugly...


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Topspeed:

    Don't think so. People talk about a hybrid 1000hp hypercar based on Terzo Millennio Concept


    But won't the Aventador successor be a hybrid supercar with almost 1.000 hp to match the SF90 Stradale? Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Carlos from Spain:

    That thing is beyond ugly...

    Really?!? It may be a bit extravagant, but I love it! 


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    I love it 


    Re: Aventador and SV

    Upsa:

    I love it 


    Er, I can't see it. Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV




    All new Lamborghini Hypercar!! After Centenario, a hybrid bull! v12 + electric engine (770 + 30 = 800hp!!!)

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B16jqQCIJhK/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B16MTGwnqCw/

     


    Re: Aventador and SV

    lol 30HP Electric must be an error.


    Re: Aventador and SV

    Real deal or just an artist‘s impression? 


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    It looks good like this . Friday I will be visiting the Lamborghini factory . Wonder if I'll have some luck and see something special . 


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    It's been revealed today on the Lamborghini app. 63 units being made. It says it is the first electric motor in the world to be powered by super capacitors. Power is 819 CV in the combined cycle making it the fastest and most powerful Lamborghini yet. The V12 on it's own produces 785 CV at 8,500 RPM's. The 48V electric motor provides 34 CV and is incorporated in the gearbox. 0-100 KPH in less than 2.8 sec's. The 70 - 120 KPH time is reduced by 1.2 seconds over the Aventador SVJ.


    Re: Aventador and SV

    epic ! add 34hp electric engine to a SVJ with some remodeling and charge 3.6 Mio - somebody must be laughing loud as they are all sold


    Re: Aventador and SV

    Lamborghini Sian

     

    6.5-liter V12 naturally aspirated engine that’s also used by the SVJ.
    48-volt mild-hybrid system, which adds 34 horsepower (25 kilowatts) for a grand total of 819 hp (602 kW)

    Most powerful production Lamborghini ever

    the car is slightly faster than the SVJ when it comes to the 19-37 mph (30-60 kph) and 43-74 mph (70-120 kph) acceleration times – by 0.2 and 1.2 seconds, respectively.

    Starting price of $3.6 million

    All 63 examples
    are already sold.

    Another world first for the Sián’s hybrid powertrain is the energy  storage unit; instead of using a lithium-ion battery pack, Lamborghini’s  latest creation makes use of a supercapacitor, which is three times  more powerful than a battery of the same weight and three times lighter  too. The supercapacitor is mounted in the bulkhead between the cabin and  the engine for the optimal weight distribution.

     


    Re: Aventador and SV

    BjoernB:

    epic ! add 34hp electric engine to a SVJ with some remodeling and charge 3.6 Mio - somebody must be laughing loud as they are all sold

    You are missing something very substantial with the addition of the electric machine.  It is not the total horsepower number produced by the addition of the electric machine but the torque generated at low RPMs that counts.  

    Read through the material produced by Lamborghini about  the Sian and how the addition is considered as part of a torque fill strategy.  Therefore, Lamborghini is keeping the high revving V12 motor while introducing a mechanism to dramatically increase torque in the lower RPM ranges.  This is also why the car also uses supercapacitors to store electricity instead of batteries.  Those supercapacitors allow for rapid discharge profiles that result in high levels of torque. 


     
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