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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Congratulations . Your car looks very nice kiss  Still happy with the turbo engine ? 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    congrats !


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    Thanks for the compliments!

    regarding the turbo's...coming from a 6 year old Jag v6 3L Diesel with 500 Nm torque, I still don't understand how one would get up the hills without enough torque while going slowly (all those small streets uphill in Baden Baden p.e.) yes

    i think the Jag would go up more easily comparing to the new 911. For me it surely felt that way. Another thing that was a surprise is the amount of tire noise (or whatever it was) inside the cabin. I have the base Carrera with 19" wheels and having a conversion or even understanding the radio was an impossible thing for me.

    maybe because it was a German radio station?

    cheeky


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    Congrats on the car, very stylish!

    So much tire noise? That seems odd....

     


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    Integra:....and having a conversion or even understanding the radio was an impossible thing for me.

    maybe because it was a German radio station?

    cheeky

    SmileySmiley

    Blueflame


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Congratulations! What is the colour?


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    Integra:

    finally at home...picked her up at Zuffenhausen, went to Baden-Baden (lovely place), Nancy (France) and Metz (France). 900 km already!  

    Baden-Baden is where I am told my family is from, so I've been wanting to get there some day to see it for myself.  I'm glad to hear it is lovely...

    Congratulations on the car.  It looks beautiful, and I hope you enjoy it.

     


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    GT silver. Of course Smiley

     


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    Thought I'd share this photo our local high end paint shop sent me.  I had the front lower lip and rear valence painted body color (this option is now available from Porsche directly).  After all these years I still think the 911 is still one of the all time great looking cars.  IMG_1252.JPG


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    davew (cincy):
    Integra:

    finally at home...picked her up at Zuffenhausen, went to Baden-Baden (lovely place), Nancy (France) and Metz (France). 900 km already!  

    Baden-Baden is where I am told my family is from, so I've been wanting to get there some day to see it for myself.  I'm glad to hear it is lovely...

    Congratulations on the car.  It looks beautiful, and I hope you enjoy it.

     

    Yes, Baden-Baden was the first place I visited with my GT4 (not far from Stuttgart) and had a great time.  Totally by accident I found a steep Funicular train that went up the side of a mountain.  At the top there were paragliders (and a place to fly my model gliders), beer, and schnitzel.  Hard to beat that Smiley

    baden_funicular.JPGbaden_glider.JPG

    baden_park.JPG


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    Wow!!!

    I was there in December 1987 whilst backpacking for 3 months during university holidays. Caught the funicular up - no GT4 unfortunately. Was not even old enough to visit the casino which, I was told, was beautiful.

    David


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Very cool, David!
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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Good review by Motoman:

    https://youtu.be/s43fFXJhfFE


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Grant:
    davew (cincy):
    Integra:

    finally at home...picked her up at Zuffenhausen, went to Baden-Baden (lovely place), Nancy (France) and Metz (France). 900 km already!  

    Baden-Baden is where I am told my family is from, so I've been wanting to get there some day to see it for myself.  I'm glad to hear it is lovely...

    Congratulations on the car.  It looks beautiful, and I hope you enjoy it.

    Yes, Baden-Baden was the first place I visited with my GT4 (not far from Stuttgart) and had a great time.  Totally by accident I found a steep Funicular train that went up the side of a mountain.  At the top there were paragliders (and a place to fly my model gliders), beer, and schnitzel.  Hard to beat that Smiley

     

    Wow, that looks like a wonderful time Grant.  Thanks for the follow up and the pics.  Coincidentally we (Cincinnati, aka Zinzinnati) had a lift much like that to ascend a steep hillside a long while back.  It's long gone now, but there is recent talk of bringing it back in some form or another.

    Personally though I'd rather a GT4.

     


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      angel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF9Uva-QaNs

    2:51


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    kiss

    Sounds brilliant!


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    I'm getting more and more tempted to upgrade my 997.2 4S with a 991.2 regular 4, they make a perfect dd with the right options. Miami blue please kiss

     


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    spudgun:

    I'm getting more and more tempted to upgrade my 997.2 with a 991.2, they make a perfect dd with the right options. Miami blue please kiss

     

    They do look really really good in C4S guise!


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    I can see the hesitation with the new engines for us petrolheads, but for daily use the extra torque and quiet exhaust are a big plus. An opinion I seldom hear on this forum, it sometimes looks like only few people here dd their 911's? 


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    I just saw a new blacked out Targa today - simply beautiful - like apple with Little tweeks they always manage to make it even more desirable


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz-k4QWxnAY

     

    991 GT3: 1:18.95
    Cayman GT4: 1:20.28
    991.2 Carrera 4 S: 1:20.52
    Corvette C7: 1:21.72
    Mercedes AMG GT S: 1:21.79
    911 Carrera S: 1:22.98
     


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    Topspeed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz-k4QWxnAY

    991 GT3: 1:18.95
    Cayman GT4: 1:20.28
    991.2 Carrera 4 S: 1:20.52
    Corvette C7: 1:21.72
    Mercedes AMG GT S: 1:21.79
    911 Carrera S: 1:22.98
     

    If I see those numbers I really have to question how comparable those driving situations have been. Weather, tire, driver, ... .so many factors which make a difference. However - a C4S in second generations must be faster than a C2S in first. But does it really make 2 and a half second?


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    Lars997:
    Topspeed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz-k4QWxnAY

    991 GT3: 1:18.95
    Cayman GT4: 1:20.28
    991.2 Carrera 4 S: 1:20.52
    Corvette C7: 1:21.72
    Mercedes AMG GT S: 1:21.79
    911 Carrera S: 1:22.98
     

    If I see those numbers I really have to question how comparable those driving situations have been. Weather, tire, driver, ... .so many factors which make a difference. However - a C4S in second generations must be faster than a C2S in first. But does it really make 2 and a half second?

    Well the change from the horrible Pirelli Pzero N0 to the new N1 could account for 2 seconds itself...


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    Carlos from Spain:
    Lars997:
    Topspeed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz-k4QWxnAY

    991 GT3: 1:18.95
    Cayman GT4: 1:20.28
    991.2 Carrera 4 S: 1:20.52
    Corvette C7: 1:21.72
    Mercedes AMG GT S: 1:21.79
    911 Carrera S: 1:22.98
     

    If I see those numbers I really have to question how comparable those driving situations have been. Weather, tire, driver, ... .so many factors which make a difference. However - a C4S in second generations must be faster than a C2S in first. But does it really make 2 and a half second?

    Well the change from the horrible Pirelli Pzero N0 to the new N1 could account for 2 seconds itself...

    There we go - that's what I'm saying. As long there are not the same conditions it is not comparable!


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    Lars997:
    Carlos from Spain:
    Lars997:
    Topspeed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz-k4QWxnAY

    991 GT3: 1:18.95
    Cayman GT4: 1:20.28
    991.2 Carrera 4 S: 1:20.52
    Corvette C7: 1:21.72
    Mercedes AMG GT S: 1:21.79
    911 Carrera S: 1:22.98
     

    If I see those numbers I really have to question how comparable those driving situations have been. Weather, tire, driver, ... .so many factors which make a difference. However - a C4S in second generations must be faster than a C2S in first. But does it really make 2 and a half second?

    Well the change from the horrible Pirelli Pzero N0 to the new N1 could account for 2 seconds itself...

    There we go - that's what I'm saying. As long there are not the same conditions it is not comparable!

    X2 Smiley but then they would not have an article to publish Smiley


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    Exactly... .and no better numbers from generation to generation.

    I anyhow would like to read a test of older super cars with modern tires. Would be interesting to see how much the difference would be!


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    The amazing performance figures we are seeing nowadays will not really get much better at some point because cars won't get much lighter, actually hybrids will get heavier and ELVs anyway, so performance will be good but probably at a similar level of the current cars.

    Audi just stopped R8 etron production after only slightly below 100 cars.

    Future sportscars won't be judged by the power/weight ratio anymore but only performance and the truth is that future sportscars won't really be much faster than the current ones because they need the higher power to compensate for additional weight (hybrids, ELVs, etc.).

    Who would guess that the Porsche 918 is actually in the same weight category of my R8 or a 911 Turbo S?


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    No wonder they stopped at 100. They never marketed the car, it was only available in Europe, and it cost 1M euro lol

    Who would buy a 1M Euro electric R8?


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    noone1:

    No wonder they stopped at 100. They never marketed the car, it was only available in Europe, and it cost 1M euro lol

    Who would buy a 1M Euro electric R8?

    The car was never marketed for a reason...I heard it was never really "ready" for prime time.

    It was also only 2WD, the only 2WD R8 in Audi's R8 range.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    RC:

    The amazing performance figures we are seeing nowadays will not really get much better at some point because cars won't get much lighter, actually hybrids will get heavier and ELVs anyway, so performance will be good but probably at a similar level of the current cars.

    Audi just stopped R8 etron production after only slightly below 100 cars.

    Future sportscars won't be judged by the power/weight ratio anymore but only performance and the truth is that future sportscars won't really be much faster than the current ones because they need the higher power to compensate for additional weight (hybrids, ELVs, etc.).

    Who would guess that the Porsche 918 is actually in the same weight category of my R8 or a 911 Turbo S?

     

    So far, manufacturers are getting away with it due to tires.  Tire technology seems to improve at a rate of 1-2% per year.  Additionally, some cars are seeing wider tires than ever before.  Back in 2005, my Lotus could take corners pretty much as fast as any other car on the market.  Today, 195mm / 225 mm tires are a serious limitation!  My GT4 is seriously over tired in the rear with 295 given the power it has.


     
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