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    New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    Any news about this comparo? They also tested the new Cayman R. Smiley


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    Hockenheimring Tracktimes (2,6 km):

    1:12.4 - Porsche Cayman R, 330 hp/1385 kg

    1:12.9 - Porsche Carrera GTS PDK, 408 hp/1491 kg
    1:13.4 - Porsche 911 Speedster PDK, 408 hp/1580 kg
    1:13.8 - Porsche 911 Black Edition PDK, 345 hp/1511 kg


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    Does the Carrera GTS have the sport chassis and LSD? 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    RC:

    Does the Carrera GTS have the sport chassis and LSD? 


    Yes.

    BTW, in same issue BMW 650i Cabrio crushed Maser GranCabrio in HHR. Almost 2 s faster! 1.15,6min for 650i Cabrio-not bad for 2092kg cabrio...


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    Kreso,

    what are the acceleration numbers for the Porsches?


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    acrobat:

    Kreso,

    what are the acceleration numbers for the Porsches?


    I left the Sport Auto at my office. So, full results Monday morning unless some member from Germany do not post them before.


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    acrobat:

    Hockenheimring Tracktimes (2,6 km):

    1:12.4 - Porsche Cayman R, 330 hp/1385 kg

     

     

    Smiley

    BlueflameSmiley


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    KresoF1:
    RC:

    Does the Carrera GTS have the sport chassis and LSD? 


    Yes.

    BTW, in same issue BMW 650i Cabrio crushed Maser GranCabrio in HHR. Almost 2 s faster! 1.15,6min for 650i Cabrio-not bad for 2092kg cabrio...

    I'd be surprised if a car from  the "Ferrari Surplus Store" was faster than the latest BMW.


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    "Form follows function"


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    acrobat:

    Hockenheimring Tracktimes (2,6 km):

    1:12.4 - Porsche Cayman R, 330 hp/1385 kg

    1:12.9 - Porsche Carrera GTS PDK, 408 hp/1491 kg
    1:13.4 - Porsche 911 Speedster PDK, 408 hp/1580 kg
    1:13.8 - Porsche 911 Black Edition PDK, 345 hp/1511 kg

    The 991 needs to up the game significantly, then.


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    "Form follows function"


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    Any time below 1:13 min. is actually pretty good. Actually any time below 1:14.

    Don't forget that we are talking about street cars here, not race cars.

    It is no surprise that the mid engined Cayman R does best on this short and curvy track.

     


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    RC,

    Do you have time of GT3 or RS for comparison?  Thanks.


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    Tim

    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe #13;  2011 Panamera 4


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    Targa Tim:

    RC,

    Do you have time of GT3 or RS for comparison?  Thanks.

     

    1.09,6 min - 997.2 GT3 RS

    1.10,4 min - 997.2 GT3

    Smiley


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    ^thanks.


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    Tim

    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe #13;  2011 Panamera 4


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    acrobat:

    Hockenheimring Tracktimes (2,6 km):

    1:12.4 - Porsche Cayman R, 330 hp/1385 kg

    1:12.9 - Porsche Carrera GTS PDK, 408 hp/1491 kg
    1:13.4 - Porsche 911 Speedster PDK, 408 hp/1580 kg
    1:13.8 - Porsche 911 Black Edition PDK, 345 hp/1511 kg

    Nice.  So, I guess the Cayman R had a 6spd Manual?


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    acrobat:
    Targa Tim:

    RC,

    Do you have time of GT3 or RS for comparison?  Thanks.

     

    1.09,6 min - 997.2 GT3 RS

    1.10,4 min - 997.2 GT3

    Smiley

     

    Both cars had semi-slicks(Cup tires) while the Cayman and the other Porsches tested had ordinary street tires. Just saying... Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    Grant:
    acrobat:

    Hockenheimring Tracktimes (2,6 km):

    1:12.4 - Porsche Cayman R, 330 hp/1385 kg

    1:12.9 - Porsche Carrera GTS PDK, 408 hp/1491 kg
    1:13.4 - Porsche 911 Speedster PDK, 408 hp/1580 kg
    1:13.8 - Porsche 911 Black Edition PDK, 345 hp/1511 kg

    Nice.  So, I guess the Cayman R had a 6spd Manual?

    No, PDK.


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    RC:
    acrobat:
    Targa Tim:

    RC,

    Do you have time of GT3 or RS for comparison?  Thanks.

     

    1.09,6 min - 997.2 GT3 RS

    1.10,4 min - 997.2 GT3

    Smiley

     

    Both cars had semi-slicks(Cup tires) while the Cayman and the other Porsches tested had ordinary street tires. Just saying... Smiley

    Would you guess that the Cups are worth at least 2 sec on that course?


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    no way, that would put the Caymen R on par with the 997.2 GT3


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    ...I would not rule out that this could be the case... - Hockenheim is "the" playground for mid-engine cars as the course is - as RC said - very curvy... I usually see a lot of spirited boxster and cayman drivers giving GT3s a very hard time in Hockenheim...the result of the respectable time of the "R" is attributable aaaaaaaaaaa lot to the combination of curves in Hockenheim...I am so much looking forward to my first training in Hockenheim beginning of April and do wonder whether I will already see a Cayman R...


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    Atzporsche:

    no way, that would put the Caymen R on par with the 997.2 GT3

    I know it sounds hard to believe, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Cup tire advantage was 3 sec.  Having driven on a short/curvy track not too different than Hockenheim in my 944 Turbo S with Cups made my laptimes 4 seconds shorter (but the tire sizes were larger with the Cups, so not exact comparison).


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    yep, exactly my thinking ( I had a 944 S2 years ago - a hell of a nice track car)...so, we may confirm that the Cayman R seems to be a nice track toy for curvy tracks...case closed... ...


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    i dont think the time for the cayman is trustable.

    the cayman s pdk did 1:13,90 in sport auto test and now the cayman r pdk ist  1,5 s faster with only 10 hp more and 50 kg less ?


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    hunterone:

    i dont think the time for the cayman is trustable.

    the cayman s pdk did 1:13,90 in sport auto test and now the cayman r pdk ist  1,5 s faster with only 10 hp more and 50 kg less ?

    The Cayman R that did the faster time is 6spd Manual, so it's 30kg lighter than a Cayman R with PDK.


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    Can someone post the aceleration times of this test?

    J.Seven


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    0-100 - 0-200

    Cayman R: 4,6 - 16,9

    GTS: 4,1 - 13,8

    Speedster: 4,2

    Classic: 4,3

    Black Edition PDK: 4,6


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    sunny:

    0-100 - 0-200

    Cayman R: 4,6 - 16,9

    GTS: 4,1 - 13,8

    Speedster: 4,2

    Classic: 4,3

    Black Edition PDK: 4,6


    Impressive times for all but GTS performance is really amazing Smiley 13,8s to 200Kph is almost to good to be true, and makes me think the 991 will have aceleration close to 997TT.1 Smiley

    J.Seven


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    Finally I got the issue, will post the scans later today. :)


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    J.Seven:

    Impressive times for all but GTS performance is really amazing Smiley 13,8s to 200Kph is almost to good to be true, and makes me think the 991 will have aceleration close to 997TT.1 Smiley

    J.Seven

     

    It is amazing but I heard that the 408 hp powerkit engines have a high fluctuation in power output, so maybe this one had close to 430 hp and others were slightly under 400 hp. Could explain the huge difference.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    RC:
    J.Seven:

    Impressive times for all but GTS performance is really amazing Smiley 13,8s to 200Kph is almost to good to be true, and makes me think the 991 will have aceleration close to 997TT.1 Smiley

    J.Seven

    It is amazing but I heard that the 408 hp powerkit engines have a high fluctuation in power output, so maybe this one had close to 430 hp and others were slightly under 400 hp. Could explain the huge difference.


    Such a big discrepancy between max and min is absolutely untypical for Porsche. Smiley
     


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    Re: New Sport Auto - 911 GTS vs. Black Edition, Sport Classic & Speedster

    RC:
    J.Seven:

    Impressive times for all but GTS performance is really amazing Smiley 13,8s to 200Kph is almost to good to be true, and makes me think the 991 will have aceleration close to 997TT.1 Smiley

    J.Seven

     

    It is amazing but I heard that the 408 hp powerkit engines have a high fluctuation in power output, so maybe this one had close to 430 hp and others were slightly under 400 hp. Could explain the huge difference.

    Christian,

    This is an interesting info. 13,8 sec is an amazing time for a 408-hp 911, indeed.

    Your info explains the reason of slower GTS times.


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    09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


     
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