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This is front rotors at 8 track days. Rears look like new still. Front pads look to have 2 more track days in them before they will be down to the last 4-5mm at which point I typically take them off. Rear pads are still at 80%. Pads are RT RE10. Similar wear characteristics to Ferodo DS 3.12 I believe which are the other popular pad for these cars on track...

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2021 992 GT3, 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia QV, 2017 Macan S (Petrol)

Small cracks for the moment. But once they start they tend to do progress much faster, at least on the older disks. Seems that they crack less as after 8 track days (excluding the Nürburging Ring ) mine were more cracked then that. Don't know why they don't do disk with profiles  like these as they crack much less :

I don't know why they don't just fit PFC or AP discs from the factory and be done with it.. cost I suppose... mind you, it would be cool to promote the GT cars as having the exact same brakes as the Cup cars then.. 

2019 911 GT3 RS,1964 Type 1

DaveGordon:

I don't know why they don't just fit PFC or AP discs from the factory and be done with it.. cost I suppose... mind you, it would be cool to promote the GT cars as having the exact same brakes as the Cup cars then.. 

The current Cup cars use Brembo and the rotors are a good deal smaller than the ones on the road car (to fit under 18" wheels).  I think they are still 380mm instead of 408mm (stock iron for 992 GT3).  But Brembo Type III are awesome rotors (first picture in Gnils post above) - I use them on my Evo.  Race calipers would be great too, but I think they want to use calipers that use dust shields on the road cars for some reason (and the need to remove them to change pads is annoying).

22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

"they want to use calipers that use dust shields on the road cars"

That part I never understood... Like there is no dust on racing tracks????!!!!! 

There is no try. Just do.

Grant:

DaveGordon:

I don't know why they don't just fit PFC or AP discs from the factory and be done with it.. cost I suppose... mind you, it would be cool to promote the GT cars as having the exact same brakes as the Cup cars then.. 

The current Cup cars use Brembo and the rotors are a good deal smaller than the ones on the road car (to fit under 18" wheels).  I think they are still 380mm instead of 408mm (stock iron for 992 GT3).  But Brembo Type III are awesome rotors (first picture in Gnils post above) - I use them on my Evo.  Race calipers would be great too, but I think they want to use calipers that use dust shields on the road cars for some reason (and the need to remove them to change pads is annoying).

And Cup car have a lot less weight to haul around.

Whoopsy:

Grant:

DaveGordon:

I don't know why they don't just fit PFC or AP discs from the factory and be done with it.. cost I suppose... mind you, it would be cool to promote the GT cars as having the exact same brakes as the Cup cars then.. 

The current Cup cars use Brembo and the rotors are a good deal smaller than the ones on the road car (to fit under 18" wheels).  I think they are still 380mm instead of 408mm (stock iron for 992 GT3).  But Brembo Type III are awesome rotors (first picture in Gnils post above) - I use them on my Evo.  Race calipers would be great too, but I think they want to use calipers that use dust shields on the road cars for some reason (and the need to remove them to change pads is annoying).

 

And Cup car have a lot less weight to haul around.

It's true that they're lighter, but they're also going much faster which actually causes more heat than weight (the braking energy required is proportional to the weight of the car, but it's also proportional to the Square of the velocity).

But since the Cup can take a corner faster, I guess it doesn't have to brake down to such a low speed which helps too (although it begins braking from a higher speed).

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22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

I just meant the discs really, and had 991 in mind. I am in denial about anything 992.

2019 911 GT3 RS,1964 Type 1

DaveGordon:

I am in denial about anything 992.

Resistance is futile 

22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

It took 3 days at the local track, but I finally posted my fastest ever lap.  Still discovering new layers of performance and entertainment.  I’m really enjoying driving this car on track.  Not only is it fast, but it’s very satisfying to drive and provides a real challenge to try to exploit the aero (would be far easier to do at a faster track).

And the tires continue to wear much slower than with my 991.2

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22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Grant, where did you gain time ? 

Grant:

Whoopsy:

Grant:

DaveGordon:

I don't know why they don't just fit PFC or AP discs from the factory and be done with it.. cost I suppose... mind you, it would be cool to promote the GT cars as having the exact same brakes as the Cup cars then.. 

The current Cup cars use Brembo and the rotors are a good deal smaller than the ones on the road car (to fit under 18" wheels).  I think they are still 380mm instead of 408mm (stock iron for 992 GT3).  But Brembo Type III are awesome rotors (first picture in Gnils post above) - I use them on my Evo.  Race calipers would be great too, but I think they want to use calipers that use dust shields on the road cars for some reason (and the need to remove them to change pads is annoying).

 

And Cup car have a lot less weight to haul around.

It's true that they're lighter, but they're also going much faster which actually causes more heat than weight (the braking energy required is proportional to the weight of the car, but it's also proportional to the Square of the velocity).

But since the Cup can take a corner faster, I guess it doesn't have to brake down to such a low speed which helps too (although it begins braking from a higher speed).

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22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

 

It's better brake cooling on the Cup car. It gets more than enough air to adequately cool the brakes. Top speed on straights is mostly from the hp, so it isn't that much higher than a street GT3, even with higher exit speed from the pervious corners. 

And yes it does enter corners at a higher speed so there is less braking, the braking point is so much later than a street car, due to the sticky slicks. 

Overall, a Cup car spend a lot less time braking, aka generating heating from the brake discs, than a street car. 

Gnil:

Grant, where did you gain time ? 

I am guessing he is getting faster corner entry. Longer trail braking, and then back on the gas sooner. 

Whoopsy:

Gnil:

Grant, where did you gain time ? 

 

I am guessing he is getting faster corner entry. Longer trail braking, and then back on the gas sooner. 

Yes, the front end bites so much better at corner entry that I don’t even have to brake on some corners as I did with the 991.2 (just a mild lift, at most).  And the aero is helping in fast corners (throughout) when I am brave enough to trust it.  There is still a bunch more time I left on table as I begin to slowly creep towards the limits of the new car.

And I am finding it’s better to upshift to 3rd before the long straight, since I can take the corner leading to the straight so much faster.  I had been staying in 2nd like the 991 (corner entry was slower).  Giving me several mph more Vmax.

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22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Grant:

Whoopsy:

Gnil:

Grant, where did you gain time ? 

 

I am guessing he is getting faster corner entry. Longer trail braking, and then back on the gas sooner. 

Yes, the front end bites so much better at corner entry that I don’t even have to brake on some corners as I did with the 991.2 (just a mild lift, at most).  And the aero is helping in fast corners (throughout) when I am brave enough to trust it.  There is still a bunch more time I left on table as I begin to slowly creep towards the limits of the new car.

And I am finding it’s better to upshift to 3rd before the long straight, since I can take the corner leading to the straight so much faster.  I had been staying in 2nd like the 991 (corner entry was slower).  Giving me several mph more Vmax.

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22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

 

Taking advantage of weight shift for grip You little lift is more about putting more weight on the front tires than slowing down.

Grant:

Whoopsy:

Gnil:

Grant, where did you gain time ? 

 

I am guessing he is getting faster corner entry. Longer trail braking, and then back on the gas sooner. 

Yes, the front end bites so much better at corner entry that I don’t even have to brake on some corners as I did with the 991.2 (just a mild lift, at most).  And the aero is helping in fast corners (throughout) when I am brave enough to trust it.  There is still a bunch more time I left on table as I begin to slowly creep towards the limits of the new car.

And I am finding it’s better to upshift to 3rd before the long straight, since I can take the corner leading to the straight so much faster.  I had been staying in 2nd like the 991 (corner entry was slower).  Giving me several mph more Vmax.

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22 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

 

Not easy to change old habits at our ages  But now that you have opened up the door on speed entry, trusting the aero, you will for sure find that extra time. Let us know the progression  during the season .

Not easy to change old habits at our ages  But now that you have opened up the door on speed entry, trusting the aero, you will for sure find that extra time. Let us know the progression  during the season .

Tell me about it.  Trying to shift from G-series 911 driving habits to the Carrera GT was nearly futile even though I had plenty of seat time in 993/996/997.  Traditional 911-pilot reflexes, when ingrained, cause lots of slow-entry, power-on exit feelings that come from not wanting to exit the track backwards.  Difficult to un-learn after so much repetition.

I didn't start in karting, but old-school British roadsters like Triumph TR-3 and MGB.  The transition to 914-2.0 was an eye opener, but I was young and could cope.  It was slow enough that I wasn't apprehensive about losing the tail.  The IROC/RS had so much grip and a forgiving chassis set-up that one could almost dirt-track it on road courses.  It still rewarded slow in, fast out.

I look forward to my 992 GT3T in the coming weeks.  And, I hope to figure out how to take advantage of the magical turn-in grip that Grant reports.  But, I'm even older and some dogs are really set in their ways 

If it gives the same feeling on track as my Panameras, I already know where it's possible to go 10 MPH faster through some esses at Mid-Ohio 

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Mike

918 Spyder + Taycan Turbo + Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S P100D AP2 + BMWs (Z8 + 3.0 CSi) + Bentley Arnage T

Lava looks great in the metal:

nice Touring waiting to be delivered, too

Have to admit, I think the 992 winged version looks better, but it’s the opposite with the 991.2 for me.

Why would a GT3 owner embarrass his car like that? There wasn't any doubt he could beat the STO given the differences in hp and weight.

Also, the 992 GT3 looks stubby and fat. Those that paid over $100,000 above MSRP need to have their head examined. 

The purpose of life is to enjoy the moment.

nberry:

Why would a GT3 owner embarrass his car like that? There wasn't any doubt he could beat the STO given the differences in hp and weight.

Also, the 992 GT3 looks stubby and fat. Those that paid over $100,000 above MSRP need to have their head examined. 

As far as I know, the car doesn't have emotions and doesn't care that it loses. 

1988 Peugeot 205 Rallye / 2004 Porsche 996 GT3 RS  / 2018 Mercedes-AMG E63 S / 2020 Ferrari 812SF

Porker:

nberry:

Why would a GT3 owner embarrass his car like that? There wasn't any doubt he could beat the STO given the differences in hp and weight.

Also, the 992 GT3 looks stubby and fat. Those that paid over $100,000 above MSRP need to have their head examined. 

As far as I know, the car doesn't have emotions and doesn't care that it loses. 

Blueflame

Porker:

nberry:

Why would a GT3 owner embarrass his car like that? There wasn't any doubt he could beat the STO given the differences in hp and weight.

Also, the 992 GT3 looks stubby and fat. Those that paid over $100,000 above MSRP need to have their head examined. 

As far as I know, the car doesn't have emotions and doesn't care that it loses. 

I think Nick is taking this "comparison" too seriously, it was just the usual CarWow drag racing. 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), BMW Z4 M40i (2022), Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk (2019 EU)

140 more HP and 100nm more torque will do that! In our market there is also the extra 120K euro cost.

Ive driven against an STO on four track days last month. It would take a very talented driver in the STO to keep up with a well driven 992 GT3....

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2021 992 GT3, 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia QV, 2017 Macan S (Petrol)

I attended a track day in Monza recently and l liked the 992 GT3s - l think as the 992 is by far a fat animal, the wing suits the GT3, therefore perhaps a duck-tailed 992 whatever model would seem right ?😎

The Carrera models don't look right somehow. They look large and disproportionately wide. These models are also very colour sensitive. The best colour that suits is the relatively dull Agate Grey. Previous 911s looked best in any hue.

For some reason the Turbo, the GT3 and (judging from the pictures) the Sport Classic have a more pleasing appearance overall and better proportions than the plain Carrera.

For example, I've seen a very nice looking Turbo is Kreide/Crayon, whereas on the Carrera S shape this colour is a disappointment as it doesn't help the shape.

Something for Porsche to work on for the facelift.

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"Porsche....and Nothing else matters"

They should do more marketing for the aerokit then 

What are the chances that the Ducktail spoiler from the Sport Classic will make an appearance on a future GT model? 

d997h:

They should do more marketing for the aerokit then 

The wing of the current aerokit might look too racy on a normal Carrera for daily use. But a version of the ducktail (done differently so as not to spoil the SC exclusivity) would have been a very good idea.

The 991 Sport Design included a ducktail.

"Porsche....and Nothing else matters"

Porker:

nberry:

Why would a GT3 owner embarrass his car like that? There wasn't any doubt he could beat the STO given the differences in hp and weight.

Also, the 992 GT3 looks stubby and fat. Those that paid over $100,000 above MSRP need to have their head examined. 

As far as I know, the car doesn't have emotions and doesn't care that it loses. 

Frank, in your continuing quest to be witty, you become silly.

The purpose of life is to enjoy the moment.