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    Re: Tesla 2 the new thread

    Leawood911:
    CGX car nut:

    A large battery pack contained in a cast aluminum structural member is not sound engineering from a collusion repair standpoint.  This remains a critical differentiation among Tesla and the established automakers.  The established automakers have decades of experience building in collusion repairability into the products.  This is why Tesla insurance costs are relatively high and why Musk entered the insurance business.  

    And how exactly do you explain my progressive policy at $450 per year?  40% less than a much older, slower and less expensive Azera?  
    Tesla got into insurance because of high rates in California which they could blow out of the water because they can monitor their drivers like crazy. 
    If they wanted to they could offer really low rates - based on when and where you drive. Etc. the disruptions are endless. 
     Heck, price the insurance. I did prior to purchase and was very surprised given the performance and value of the car. 
    Also keep in mind, they need to be in a crash in order to need crash repair. They simply do not have near the accidents. Numbers don’t lie. Look them up.  The amount of wrong information is natural given the panic in the auto industry. I find it funny. 

    How do you explain Tesla setting up its own insurance program?  That’s fact and the entire universe does not revolve about you.  


    Re: Tesla 2 the new thread

    Seems like a necessary step if traditional insurers balk at covering Autopilot cars before legislation is clear.


    Re: Tesla 2 the new thread

    Tesla can monitor the cars and tailor prices to use. So why not jump into insurance. 
    Not a single insurance company balks at the easy money insuring a Tesla guarantees.  Insurance for them is cheap. Tesla, using a nationwide underwriter, is only selling insurance in California presently because like for Whoopsy, they lost their minds and prices. Has nothing to do with these cars being hard to insure. Why not call your agent and find out and just see for yourself. 


    Re: Tesla 2 the new thread

    Leawood911:

    Tesla can monitor the cars and tailor prices to use. So why not jump into insurance. 
    Not a single insurance company balks at the easy money insuring a Tesla guarantees.  Insurance for them is cheap. Tesla, using a nationwide underwriter, is only selling insurance in California presently because like for Whoopsy, they lost their minds and prices. Has nothing to do with these cars being hard to insure. Why not call your agent and find out and just see for yourself. 

    The only reason why an OEM offers car insurance these days (still): the insured risk is too high and resulting free-market premia would be too high and thus distract car buyers... These EVs have a lot of hidden cost: from insurance risks to recycling problems. 


    Re: Tesla 2 the new thread

    I simply don’t understand you at all. You know some automakers who sell insurance for this reason so you think this is why Tesla does it?  You could not be more wrong. Lol. What part of call your agent and ask did you not get?  I told you my rates for progressive. They are dirt cheap compared to ICE or other cars because their injury accident rate is 10x less than other cars. People are still more expensive to fix than people. And a car needs to have an accident for the repair cost to matter. Their all aluminum body is also expensive to fix, like a battery - but ever rear end a 911 where the motor is?  So no, insurance for a Tesla is not expensive.  I repeat - Elon is a disruptive force. He noticed how California was taking advantage with high insurance rates so he stepped in knowing he could monitor the cars remotely and reward good driving and low miles with much better rates.  Tesla insurance is currently only in California. Get off this notion they are expensive to insure. Call your agent.  Drop this sillyness. I pay $450 per year!! That is a bit more than $1 per day.  Same as for my wife’s Honda CRV. A car half a quick and 1/3 the value.   Explain to me again how expensive insurance is on a Tesla.  It mostly depends of where you live not what car you drive.  Whoopsy is always welcome to insure his car here in Kansas. Free garage rental and weekly car drive (to warm it up now and then) included. 


    Re: Tesla 2 the new thread

    Leawood911:

    I simply don’t understand you at all. You know some automakers who sell insurance for this reason so you think this is why Tesla does it?  You could not be more wrong. Lol. What part of call your agent and ask did you not get?  I told you my rates for progressive. They are dirt cheap to do Maude compared to ICE or other cars because they injury a I tide them rate is 10x less than other cars. People are still more expensive to fix than people. And a car need to have an accident for the repair cost to matter. Their all aluminum key is also expensive to fix. Yes insurance for a Tesla is not expensive.  I repeat - Elon is a disruptive force. He noticed how California was taking advantage with high insurance rates so he stepped in knowing he could monitor the cars remotely and reward good driving and low miles with much better rates.  Get off this notion they are expensive to insure. Call your agent.  Drop this sillyness. I pay $450 per year!! That is a bit more than $1 per day.  Same as for my wife’s Honda CRV. A car half a quick and 1/3 the value.   Explain to me again how expensive insurance is on a Tesla. 

    Tesla selling their own insurance is a clear signal of a problem. Many OEMs did it over the last decades but most discontinued the practice. If Tesla does it this is certainly not „progressive“...


    Re: Tesla 2 the new thread

    No it is not. Get grip. Call your agent. Price the insurance. You are just being obtuse. 


    Re: Tesla

    Tesla clearly does have a very serious insurance problem...  C7BEAB03-A272-4B0C-AF73-D01AEAA5AA36.gif

    CEO Musk Replaces Tesla’s D&O Policy with ‘Personal Coverage’

    (1 May 2020)

    Tesla founder and CEO Elon Musk is getting into the insurance business again, sort of.

    Musk has cancelled his company’s directors and officers insurance (D&O), replacing it with a promise to personally provide his board members with “equivalent” coverage to what insurers would provide.

    Musk said he decided against renewing his D&O because the premiums quoted were “disproportionately high.” Musk explained in an April 28 amended 10K filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission:

    Tesla determined not to renew its directors and officers liability insurance policy for the 2019-2020 year due to disproportionately high premiums quoted by insurance companies. Instead, Elon Musk agreed with Tesla to personally provide coverage substantially equivalent to such a policy for a one-year period, and the other members of the Board are third-party beneficiaries thereof. The Board concluded that because such arrangement is governed by a binding agreement with Tesla as to which Mr. Musk does not have unilateral discretion to perform, and is intended to replace an ordinary course insurance policy, it would not impair the independent judgment of the other members of the Board.

    Liability insurance expert Kevin LaCroix, writing in his D&O Diary, said Musk’s arrangement, while unusual, is “not unprecedented” in his experience. However, he warned, it could be a problem for the other board members to rely on Musk for coverage.

    “His agreement to provide coverage to the directors is dependent on his financial ability to honor his commitment,” wrote LaCroix, an attorney and executive vice president at RT ProExec, a division of R-T Specialty. “However, the directors’ need for coverage could arise in a set of circumstances that could itself undermine Musk’s ability to honor his commitment.'”

    According to LaCroix, Tesla’s directors and officers could find they need Musk’s insurance at a time when both Musk and Tesla are facing a crisis.

    High Premiums

    Musk cited high cost as a reason for saying no to D&O.

    Tesla would not be alone in being quoted higher premiums. Even before the current coronavirus crisis, D&O insurers were on track to be raising prices. A report from rating agency A.M. Best in early March urged D&O insurers to continue to both raise rates and narrow coverages in the face of exposures linked to social inflation, securities action lawsuits and cyber security, as well as climate change and environmental damage.

    “We expect the profitability of D&O insurance underwriters to remain under pressure over the near term, following six or seven years of inadequate pricing,” A.M. Best said in its report. “Companies need to take reasoned, corrective rate actions, leading to accounts being priced more adequately for the exposures presented. Underwriters will also need to be more astute with regard to decision-making about risk selection, coverage provisions, limitations and exclusions.”

    Today insurers are also worried about coronavirus-related claims against company executives. The litigation has already started. A shareholder lawsuit has been filed against a pharmaceutical firm and its chief executive for alleged “misstatements” that the company had developed a coronavirus vaccine. Also, a cruise line, its chief executive and chief financial officer are being sued for allegedly misleading customers about the virus in order to book cruises. On April 30, a class action was filed against health care software firm SCWorx over allegedly misleading claims about the purchasing of two million COVID-19 testing kits.

    Legal History

    Even without those exposures and cases pressuring insurers to raise rates, Tesla’s D&O premiums might be high. Entrepreneur Musk has not been a model of executive behavior from an insurance perspective.

    The D&O development is the latest chapter in the Musk insurance story that also includes insurance for electric cars and spacecraft.

    Currently, Tesla is facing a shareholder suit over a tweet Musk made about going private. Earlier this month, a federal judge said Tesla and Musk must face a lawsuit claiming they misled shareholders when in August, 2018 Musk tweeted: “Am considering taking Tesla private at $420. Funding secured.” The judge said investors could have taken Musk’s tweet as a sign he had obtained financing to take Tesla private. But that was not a true statement and Musk tweeted on Aug. 24, 2018 that Tesla would remain public. In September, Musk agreed to pay a $20 million civil fine to settle fraud charges related to the tweet and was forced to step down as chairman by the SEC.

    Tesla has also dealt with shareholder litigation surrounding Musk’s purchase of SolarCity in 2016. According to Bloomberg, insurers covering Tesla’s directors and executives paid $60 million to settle claims Musk duped investors to go along with the $2 billion buyout of the solar-panel installer. That deal left Musk, Tesla’s largest shareholder, to battle alone against investors.

    Tesla also faces a stockholder complaint over an alleged “excessive” 2018 performance award to Musk. A shareholder has accused the board of corporate waste and Musk of unjust enrichment.

    In a legal twist that turned in his favor, last December a jury sided with Musk and rejected a $190 million defamation lawsuit by a British cave explorer who claimed Musk labeled him a pedophile when the Tesla CEO called him “pedo guy” in a tweet.

    Insurance Story

    The D&O insurance development is the latest chapter in the Musk insurance story, which at times reads like a mystery.

    Deciding to provide personal D&O insurance for the board is not Musk’s first insurance undertaking. In 2019, Tesla partnered with State National Insurance Co., a unit of Markel Corp., to launch an insurance product for Tesla drivers in California that promises lower rates that reflect the safe driver technologies on Tesla’s electric vehicles.

    Then there is SpaceX, the space flight company owned by Musk. It suffered an explosion at its Florida launch site in 2016. At that time, SpaceX told Reuters it would not disclose what, if any, rocket or launch pad insurance it had beyond what was required by the Federal Aviation Administration. It was the second failed mission for Musk’s space company in 14 months.

    Space X was no more forthcoming about its insurance in early 2018 after a U.S. government satellite that Musk’s company launched crashed into the ocean. Bloomberg reported that it was unlikely that either SpaceX or Northrop Grumman Corp., the satellite builder, would pay for the lost missile because they probably had contracts with the government that limit their liabilities.

    Link: https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/05/01/567042.htm


    Re: Tesla 2 the new thread

    MKSGR:

    Tesla selling their own insurance is a clear signal of a problem. Many OEMs did it over the last decades but most discontinued the practice. If Tesla does it this is certainly not „progressive“...

    I get insurance offers from Porsche...


    Re: Tesla

    Another consumer report on Tesla reliability...  C7BEAB03-A272-4B0C-AF73-D01AEAA5AA36.gif

    “Expensive Land Rovers and Teslas are the most UNRELIABLE cars”

    (25 September 2020)

    • Which? said the least reliable car brands in its latest poll were the luxury makers
    • The consumer group has surveyed 47,000 UK drivers about their motors 
    • Owners of Land Rovers collectively scored their vehicles one star out of five for dependability with gadget gremlins common
    • Teslas also have 'disastrously high fault rates and lengthy garage stays', it said

    British car maker Land Rover and US electric vehicle producer Tesla have been named the two most unreliable manufacturers in a poll of thousands of UK drivers.

    Land Rover, which has for years struggled with reliability issues with its big - and expensive - 4X4s, was named the least dependable brand for cars aged 0 to 3 years old and motors between 3 and 8 years in a survey by Which?.

    But it has also been joined at the bottom of the list by Elon Musk's car firm, with its pricey plug-in vehicles found to have 'disastrously high fault rates and lengthy garage stays', according to the consumer watchdog.  

    Which?'s Car Survey named Land Rover as the least reliable brand, giving its newer and older cars a one out of five star rating for dependability. The Range Rover Sport was scored particularly lowly by drivers

    Lowly rating for Land Rover

    Which?'s Car Survey was conducted between December 2019 and February 2020, with 47,013 motorists giving a detailed 12-month report on a total of 55,833 cars they own and drive.  

    The consumer group found that diesel cars are more fault-prone - particularly older models - than petrol, hybrid and electric vehicles.

    Diesel owners across all brands often detail faults with the emissions and exhaust systems in their cars. And with new MOT rules announced in 2018 with stricter measures for diesel motors with particulate filters, this issue is not going to go away soon.

    These combined factors are ultimately bad news for the British 4X4 maker. 

    Of the 35 different manufacturers reviewed, Land Rover is the only brand to score one star out of five for reliability for both newer and older vehicles. 

    Land Rover takes product quality seriously, listening to customers and continuously striving to improve  Land Rover spokesman 

    It has historically been a diesel-heavy manufacturer;; supported by the fact that 92 per cent of survey respondents with Land Rover or Range Rover vehicles said their cars use this fuel type. 

    But the manufacturer's reliability goes beyond the fuel it burns, says Which?. 

    One of the most persistent issues raised by Land Rover is recurring gremlins with electronic gadgets in the SUVs. 

    Owners bemoan problems with the car’s on-board computer software so often that Which? was forced to raise the issues with the manufacturer.

    Two models in particular are adversely prone to this issue: Land Rover’s current Range Rover Sport (2013-) and the Range Rover Velar (2017-).

    The most common issues with Land Rover models, like the Range Rover Velar pictured, were related to the in-car infotainment system. The luxury car brand said over-the-air updates to the latest systems should resolve any issues

    As reported by This is Money last month, so many owners complained about the software that the watchdog recommended to Land Rover than it recalls these models and fix them for free. 

    A spokesman for the brand told us: 'Land Rover takes product quality seriously, listening to customers and continuously striving to improve. To this end, Land Rover is introducing software over the air to its new products allowing remote updates without the need to visit a retailer. 

    'PIVI, Land Rover's all new infotainment architecture also improves the customer experience which has been recently introduced on our latest products. Furthermore, Land Rover has also offered Apple Car Play and Android Auto free of charge to all customers with compatible infotainment systems.

    'Having analysed Which?'s research, Land Rover understands that a sample size of 0.12 per cent of customers owning a Range Rover Velar and 0.22 per cent of owners of a Range Rover Sport have been surveyed. We don't believe this is representative of the vast majority of satisfied customers.

    'If any customer would like to talk to our customer services team, they can call: 0370-500-0500.'

    Which?'s report shows that Land Rover and Teslas are on average more expensive than all but one other car brand included in their survey but have the most disappointing scores for reliability

    Pricey Tesla electric cars, such as the £80,000 Model S,  were found to have 'disastrously high fault rates and lengthy garage stays'

    Teslas are almost as troublesome, says owners of the luxury electric cars

    Tesla reliability has been described by the watchdog as 'shocking' after reviewing the reports from UK drivers who own the electric vehicles.

    'Teslas seemingly desirable Tesla Model S saloon and Model X SUV both get the poorest possible mark for 0-3-year reliability thanks to disastrously high fault rates and lengthy garage stays,' Which? researchers said.

    While it was the two bigger cars in the US brand's range that are the cause for most complaints, a surprising number of owners of the latest - and most affordable - Tesla, the Model 3, have already had complaints.

    The very first owners took delivery of their Model 3s in June 2019 and it's gone on to become the best-selling electric car of 2020, topping the sales charts in April and May when dealerships were closed to the public due to Covid-19.

    Despite owners only having their cars for six months before completing the latest Which? survey, the consumer champion said it had a big enough sample size to rate the Model 3 for reliability. And plenty of issues have been raised.

    Tesla's latest car, the compact Model 3 (which is also its cheapest), only arrived in the UK in June 2019, but owners have already reported issues with their new motors

    A quarter (26 per cent) of Model 3 owners said their car had at least one problem that had to be fixed by a mechanic. Given the age of the car, that’s incredibly high.

    While these faults were predominantly minor issues they suggest a 'general low level of quality', with paintwork and other exterior trim problems most commonly highlighted in the comprehensive Which? driver poll.

    'Although not overly frequent, a number of owners also reported problems with the car’s rainwater seals,' it said. 

    Tesla owners had experienced some of the highest fault rates and lengthiest average garage stays - making it one of the least reliable brands Harry Rose, Which editor 

    'The last thing you expect from your fancy new electric car is for it to let in water.

    'Then factor in that 3 per cent of owners we heard from had already seen their car break down. The Model 3 looks destined to go the way of the Model S and Model X in terms of dependability,' researchers added. 

    Harry Rose, editor at Which, said: 'Motorists might assume that paying a premium for a luxury car like a Tesla would improve their chances of avoiding reliability issues and repeated trips to the garage.

    'But our research found that Tesla owners had experienced some of the highest fault rates and lengthiest average garage stays in their first three years - making it one of the least reliable brands out of the 35 included in our survey.'

    Link: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-8768905/Expensive-Land-Rovers-Teslas-UNRELIABLE-cars-says-watchdog.html


    Re: Tesla

    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    Tesla clearly does have a very serious insurance problem...  C7BEAB03-A272-4B0C-AF73-D01AEAA5AA36.gif

    CEO Musk Replaces Tesla’s D&O Policy with ‘Personal Coverage’

     

    Whoever rendered this board room image has 0 understanding of human scale or ergonomics. Or has never sat at a crowded conference room. Smiley


    Re: Tesla

    Enmanuel:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    Tesla clearly does have a very serious insurance problem...  C7BEAB03-A272-4B0C-AF73-D01AEAA5AA36.gif

    CEO Musk Replaces Tesla’s D&O Policy with ‘Personal Coverage’

     

    Whoever rendered this board room image has 0 understanding of human scale or ergonomics. Or has never sat at a crowded conference room. Smiley

    This is the more intelligent than the response I had about this years old story which had nothing to do with car insurance but does highlight an industry needing disruption. I think we can all agree on that. 


    Re: Tesla

    That was lots of detail about Range Rover faults but not much detail about the Tesla issues. Much less cost of ownership.  
    Do you think other automakers are reading this story and breathing a sigh of relief knowing Tesla will soon be out of business due to this article?  
    Have you looked at owner satisfaction ratings?  Does the fact they don’t even advertise occur to you at all?  Do you think this bugs the marketing guys at the other car makers?  


    Re: Tesla

    Not sure why you are taking criticisms against Tesla so personally.

    We here criticize everyone regularly. Porsche? almost every day. Ferrari? checked. Lamborghini? Done. Land Rover? Yup. BMW? As we speak. Mercedes? That was last week.

     


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    Re: Tesla

    Leawood911:

    I know not to trust it but it is great in addition to my turbo vision. Second only to RC’s visual abilities...

    Leawood, I can well believe that your eyesight is better than your Tesla’s myopic vision... Smiley

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    Re: Tesla

    https://insideevs.com/news/445857/ford-ignores-tesla-makes-bold-false-claims/

     

    Tesla people are so easily triggered. 

    Another thing is, Tesla people always claimed Tesla is not a car company but a tech company, so now Ford give that notion a validation and get flaked. 

    Weird bunch for sure.

     


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    Re: Tesla

    Leawood incoming in 3... 2... 1... smiley


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    Re: Tesla

    Whoopsy:

    https://insideevs.com/news/445857/ford-ignores-tesla-makes-bold-false-claims/

     

    Tesla people are so easily triggered. 

    Another thing is, Tesla people always claimed Tesla is not a car company but a tech company, so now Ford give that notion a validation and get flaked. 

    Weird bunch for sure.

     

    It is almost as if the Tesla fan boys suffer from an extreme version of buyer’s remorse and constantly must convince themselves that they made an appropriate purchase. 


    Re: Tesla

    CGX car nut:
    Whoopsy:

    https://insideevs.com/news/445857/ford-ignores-tesla-makes-bold-false-claims/

     

    Tesla people are so easily triggered. 

    Another thing is, Tesla people always claimed Tesla is not a car company but a tech company, so now Ford give that notion a validation and get flaked. 

    Weird bunch for sure.

     

    It is almost as if the Tesla fan boys suffer from an extreme version of buyer’s remorse and constantly must convince themselves that they made an appropriate purchase. 

     

    Hence why we constantly have to hear Tesla are the greatest, fastest, safest, blah blah blah. Autopilot is the best, Elon is King blah blah blah.

    Ferrari people don't constantly chant Enzo! Enzo! Enzo! Nor do Porsche people shouting Ferdinand 🙄

    I mean, sure Tesla's monopoly on EV got disrupted, big time, disruptor got disrupted, oh the irony. But the company is still around, still making cars, still can't turn a profit from selling cars, but that's another story.


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    Re: Tesla

    Whoopsy:
    CGX car nut:
    Whoopsy:

    https://insideevs.com/news/445857/ford-ignores-tesla-makes-bold-false-claims/

    Tesla people are so easily triggered. 

    Another thing is, Tesla people always claimed Tesla is not a car company but a tech company, so now Ford give that notion a validation and get flaked. 

    Weird bunch for sure.

    It is almost as if the Tesla fan boys suffer from an extreme version of buyer’s remorse and constantly must convince themselves that they made an appropriate purchase. 

    Hence why we constantly have to hear Tesla are the greatest, fastest, safest, blah blah blah. Autopilot is the best, Elon is King blah blah blah.

    Ferrari people don't constantly chant Enzo! Enzo! Enzo! Nor do Porsche people shouting Ferdinand 🙄

    I mean, sure Tesla's monopoly on EV got disrupted, big time, disruptor got disrupted, oh the irony. But the company is still around, still making cars, still can't turn a profit from selling cars, but that's another story.

    By 2022, I predict that this Rennteam thread will inevitably be renamed as the “VW ID” thread...  C7BEAB03-A272-4B0C-AF73-D01AEAA5AA36.gif

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    Link: https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/events/2020/Deep_Dive_Electric-Mobility.html

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    Re: Tesla

    Enmanuel:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    Tesla clearly does have a very serious insurance problem...  C7BEAB03-A272-4B0C-AF73-D01AEAA5AA36.gif

    CEO Musk Replaces Tesla’s D&O Policy with ‘Personal Coverage’

     

    Whoever rendered this board room image has 0 understanding of human scale or ergonomics. Or has never sat at a crowded conference room. Smiley

    Pre Covid for sureSmiley


    Re: Tesla

    They planned to sell 26mil cars doesn't mean the market will absorb 26 mil cars. Two completely different thing.

    And unless they build a factory in China serving that market, I do not think they can sell that many there, also even if they build them there. VW badge has a good brand power in China, but not enough to sell that many when they have local offerings. 

    ID.3 is a cool equivalent for their Golf. Something that's good enough for daily transportation need, nothing too fancy or outrageous, exactly what a Golf is, a sensible car. ID.4 is the crossover version and that one should sell well too. Rest of the line up......well.

    Upper range of their planned products are squarely inside Tesla territory, not sure they can compete. Model 3 is a pretty decent car for it's price, same with the Model Y. But the ID.3 and ID.4 are solid offerings to squeeze the low end of Tesla product range, especially they will enjoy government subsidies with Tesla not qualify anymore in most places. And buying a VW is better than say a KIA/Hyundai. 

     

     


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    Re: Tesla

    CGX car nut:
    Whoopsy:

    https://insideevs.com/news/445857/ford-ignores-tesla-makes-bold-false-claims/

     

    Tesla people are so easily triggered. 

    Another thing is, Tesla people always claimed Tesla is not a car company but a tech company, so now Ford give that notion a validation and get flaked. 

    Weird bunch for sure.

     

    It is almost as if the Tesla fan boys suffer from an extreme version of buyer’s remorse and constantly must convince themselves that they made an appropriate purchase. 

    Did you guys even read the story or understand it?  
    Ford’s is not the only one pretending Tesla does not exist. I get it. 
    I like the idea of renaming the thread for me. 
    TGIF guys. I’m down at the lake after a 5:30am get away from KC to work from here by 8. 
    looking forward to a fun weekend with the wife and dogs as I prepare for my 57th Wednesday.

    57 years ago, end of September, Frankfurt auto show, 901 was first shown to the public. - I was in Wiesbaden. Sept. 30 is also the day James Dean died in his Porsche. I tend to keep that in mind when speeding. 
    Have an amazing weekend guys!  
     


    Re: Tesla

    Happy birthday Leawood, I hope you have many, many more!


    Re: Tesla

    Leawood911:
    CGX car nut:
    Whoopsy:

    https://insideevs.com/news/445857/ford-ignores-tesla-makes-bold-false-claims/

     

    Tesla people are so easily triggered. 

    Another thing is, Tesla people always claimed Tesla is not a car company but a tech company, so now Ford give that notion a validation and get flaked. 

    Weird bunch for sure.

     

    It is almost as if the Tesla fan boys suffer from an extreme version of buyer’s remorse and constantly must convince themselves that they made an appropriate purchase. 

    Did you guys even read the story or understand it?  
    Ford’s is not the only one pretending Tesla does not exist. I get it. 
     

     

    Did you not read my summary? I watched and summarized it into 2 sentences.

    Ford must have paid a good chunk into the California government, enough for them to ignore their own local Tesla. But come on, it's really funny seeing that guy lose his shit over something so petty. So childish. Like in a playground a kid go running and crying to his mom cause someone else jumped the line up and slide down the slide first. 


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    Re: Tesla

    The Volkswagen ID.4 first edition sold out in the States in one day.  Some rumors place the total number around 2,000 units but it still highlights a major chink in the Tesla EV dominance. 


    Re: Tesla

     

    Here is just how good the ID.3 is. 205 Wh/km @120km/hr, beating out even the 'efficient' Model 3 which clocks in at 218Wh/km, data which he 'forgot' to include in the comparison table in the video.

    VAG is really enveloping Tesla now, with the Taycan sitting right on top and now the ID series coming up from below. 

     

    Those ID3s and ID4s could very well be the millennials Beetle or the Gen Xs Golf. 


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    Re: Tesla

    Tesla Bjorn is also impressed with how quiet the ID.3 is at speed. That’s what building tens of millions of cars over many decades gets you.  


    Re: Tesla

    This ID 3 will be a good competitor for the Nissan Leaf...


    Re: Tesla

    rhino:

    This ID 3 will be a good competitor for the Nissan Leaf...

    I saw it at an outside  electric auto event  in Lisbon. All main electric manufacturers were there with a few different cars.

    2 cars were standing out from the pack :  Honda E and the VW ID3. The ID was the most impressive of all. Looks actually better then the new Golf.  Nothing comparable to the Leaf, expect for size.  Unless you think a Golf is like a Sunny. The ID looks very good, flesh , young, modern, plaisant etc.... It will be huge hit . 

    The Honda is also very nice but more feminine, cute, much more a city toy car . 


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