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    Re: F40 and 599 GTB commercial

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    The 599GTB weighs a little less than an SLR and has a very similar power output. It will likely perform in the same ballpark. The F40 also performs in that same ballpark, and perhaps even a little above it considering how it compares to the Enzo.




    The SLR has a five speed Auto. The F40 has a clunky 5 speed manual. The 599 has the F1. THe 599 will perform near Enzo level.

    The bottom line is: the F40 can not match the 599 in a straight line.



    I'm just saying that if 620bhp isn't enough for the SLR to walk away from the F40, I don't see how the 599GTB is going to be massively different. You could make the exact same arguments for the SLR that you can for the GTB, especially considering the torque advantage that the SLR has over the GTB, but somehow the F40 keeps up and actually out accelerates the SLR in some cases.

    Yes, the gearbox is rather quick on the GTB, but were are talking milliseconds here. I doubt we will ever have the perfect drag race we are looking for, but I think you are going to surprised when we match up the tests that eventually roll out.



    I thought I made it abundantly clear that the SLR's 5 speed slushbox was a hinderance.

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    HoboPie, thanks for the link to the tests. Great to see the origianl supercar articles.

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    You were far from clear, in fact you didn't even actually state it in any way. You identified the 3 gearboxes and then said the 599GTB would perform near Enzo level, that wasn't even a comparison.

    However, I do agree with your point, but until I've seen a manual SLR(I assume it doesn't exist) I'm going to have no idea how much of a hindrance it really is.

    On top of that the SLR has a lot more torque and what least looks like a better drag coeffecient.

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    On top of that the SLR has a lot more torque and what least looks like a better drag coeffecient.



    And on top of that a crap gearbox and more weight....

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    But that's what I'm putting the torque and drag on top of, that's just impossible, physics and stuff.

    I'm betting the weight isn't going to be as low as we hope, and I really have no idea what the slushbox's total effect is.

    Also in terms of acceleration doesn't the F40 have a better power to weight ratio than the 599GTB?

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    HoboPie said:


    Also in terms of acceleration doesn't the F40 have a better power to weight ratio than the 599GTB?



    Nope....

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    The Ferrari press release states the 599 has weight to power ratio of 2.6kg/bhp

    The F40 was 1200kg kerb weight and had(at a very minimum) 478 bhp. That would put it at 2.51 kg/bhp.

    Not much in it though.

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    HoboPie said:

    until I've seen a manual SLR(I assume it doesn't exist) I'm going to have no idea how much of a hindrance it really is.




    They are currently working on an F1 style transmission for the SLR to try and boost sluggish sales.


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    HoboPie said:

    On top of that the SLR has a lot more torque and what least looks like a better drag coeffecient.



    Torque is irrelavant at those speeds. And no, the SLR does not have a better Cd than the 599.

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    You're absolutely right about the torque, but how can you be so sure about the Cd?

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    HoboPie said:
    You're absolutely right about the torque, but how can you be so sure about the Cd?



    SLR's Cd is .37.
    http://www.mbusa.com/models/features/specs/dimensions.do?modelCode=SLR&class=06_SLR

    The 599 will likely have a Cd of .33-.34. It's already been tested at Nardo with a top speed of 214mph!

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    Now you tell me;)

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    svtrader1 said:


    The 599 will likely have a Cd of .33-.34. It's already been tested at Nardo with a top speed of 214mph!


    DAMN, where did you see that?

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    214mph/345kph is really fast!! Has anyone noticed a little difference in front lights between pre-production photos and these, with F40 or in the presentation? Then, the main "lamp" was all painted in silver, but now the major part is in black (like the rest of the light) except the edge which is silver (like 430). I think now is far more beautifull and wild! Look:

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    6 How the hell can I put many photos in one post???

    Re: F40 and 599 GTB commercial

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    "The 599 had a V-12, 620-horsepower engine, but it was not in the same class as the F40," Mike Olivella continued. "Most of the spectators (the few that were there) commented that the car looked more like a Jaguar than a Ferrari, and were more enthralled by the F40 than the 599."

    http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/02/15/ferrari-599-caught-during-commercial-shoot-in-las-vegas/

    A 15 year old F40 still gets plenty of interest, $450,000 so far!!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-F...1QQcmdZViewItem

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    "The 599 had a V-12, 620-horsepower engine, but it was not in the same class as the F40," Mike Olivella continued. "Most of the spectators (the few that were there) commented that the car looked more like a Jaguar than a Ferrari, and were more enthralled by the F40 than the 599."

    http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/02/15/ferrari-599-caught-during-commercial-shoot-in-las-vegas/

    A 15 year old F40 still gets plenty of interest, $450,000 so far!!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-F...1QQcmdZViewItem



    That was what the photographer said....it was already brought up.

    What does a picture taker know?

    Stats have been released....now we know the F40 isn't a match for it in acceleration.

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    You know, I really hope it's as fast as they claim, but official numbers are far from enabling us to "know" how fast the 599 is.

    The 599 is likely quicker, but we have no verification at all. Not even a special test at Fiorano, just some numbers thrown out by Ferrari.

    Unless there has been an independent acceleration test, in which case I want to see it NOW!

     
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