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    Alfa 4C Lightweight Mid-Engined Sportscar

    They will sell a ton of these if they can keep the weight under 900kg, power around 250hp, and price under 40k GBP!  I might be among them Smiley

    http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/271912/new_alfa_romeo_4c_concept_pictures.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters&uid=718e2a7fad15bf39439...

    From March:http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/264946/geneva_2011_alfa_romeo_4c_video.html

     


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    Re: Alfa 4C Lightweight Mid-Engined Sportscar

    Grant:

    They will sell a ton of these if they can keep the weight under 900kg, power around 250hp, and price under 40k GBP!  I might be among them Smiley

    http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/271912/new_alfa_romeo_4c_concept_pictures.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters&uid=718e2a7fad15bf39439...

    http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/264946/geneva_2011_alfa_romeo_4c_video.html

    Weight under 900 kg and price under 40k GBP ?

    Gimme some of the stuff you've been smoking... Smiley

    Remember the Fiat 500 ? Super small car ? Weight is over 1100 kg on the base model, over 1200 kg on most other models.

    If the concept car you mentioned comes to the market at under 40k GBP, it will weight at least 1200 kg. Minimum.


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    It does seem too good to be true.  The Fiat 500 has power steering - this car won't need that with rear engine, so there's one thing that will help with weight and steering feel.  I don't see why this car will have to weigh more than an Elise.


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: Alfa 4C Lightweight Mid-Engined Sportscar

    Grant:

    They will sell a ton of these if they can keep the weight under 900kg, power around 250hp, and price under 40k GBP!  I might be among them Smiley

    http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/271912/new_alfa_romeo_4c_concept_pictures.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters&uid=718e2a7fad15bf39439...

    From March:http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/264946/geneva_2011_alfa_romeo_4c_video.html

     


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello

    In this moment is possible to match this weight, 1100kg is good! cross your fingers :)


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    Re: Alfa 4C Lightweight Mid-Engined Sportscar

    RC:
    Grant:

    They will sell a ton of these if they can keep the weight under 900kg, power around 250hp, and price under 40k GBP!  I might be among them Smiley

    http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/271912/new_alfa_romeo_4c_concept_pictures.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters&uid=718e2a7fad15bf39439...

    http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/264946/geneva_2011_alfa_romeo_4c_video.html

    Weight under 900 kg and price under 40k GBP ?

    Gimme some of the stuff you've been smoking... Smiley

    Remember the Fiat 500 ? Super small car ? Weight is over 1100 kg on the base model, over 1200 kg on most other models.

    If the concept car you mentioned comes to the market at under 40k GBP, it will weight at least 1200 kg. Minimum.

    I am with RC on that one. The on paper specs are great but either the final product will be a lot heavier, or a lot more expensive, or both!Smiley
     

    They mention extensive use of carbonfiber, which is great, but for less than 40k GPB? No way...

     


    Re: Alfa 4C Lightweight Mid-Engined Sportscar

    It would be a great move on Alfas part seeing that Lotus is committing suicide and burning their entire brand imagine/history


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


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    Usually Alfa Romeo (and other FIAT brands) promise a lot on paper but in reality they don't deliver as well in crucial areas. This has been the case with successive FIAT Group models.

    Don't expect too much!


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    Futch:

    They mention extensive use of carbonfiber, which is great, but for less than 40k GPB? No way...

    Expect "Carbonfiber look"


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    Re: Alfa 4C Lightweight Mid-Engined Sportscar

     as usually in alfa they promise a lot of dreams...and then only the worst things come to reality....just think about brera!!! the prototype was awesome and large ..a real beauty..and then they did manage one of the worst alfas!!!!!

     

    just forget about this specs...they will never come to the market!!! impossible..if they do it ..then they must have became insane...apart of the supercars in italy the normal cars are dead fiat 500 apart!


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    xander71:

     as usually in alfa they promise a lot of dreams...and then only the worst things come to reality....just think about brera!!! the prototype was awesome and large ..a real beauty..and then they did manage one of the worst alfas!!!!!

     

    just forget about this specs...they will never come to the market!!! impossible..if they do it ..then they must have became insane...apart of the supercars in italy the normal cars are dead fiat 500 apart!

     

    That's a bit unfair. The Giulietta is one of the most fun to drive C segment cars and the 159 was a great steer also. The Pandas and 500s are also well known quantities of great city cars. I don't think that the 4C will materialise with those specs either though. Way too optimistic.


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    Yes I was a unfair, the 500 and panda are great cars , but apart them dear is emptyness, maybe the giulia is ok, but think that alfa lives with 2 small cars and nothing else!!!! the 159 is going out of production and then they have nothing,

    I have to admit that with our fiats in familiy are great the only cars which are always working and never once have let us down, ( incredible) the porsche mercedes and audis that we own have at least 1 time let us stuck and need to call assistence!!


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    I thought that the Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne appeared to be setting the company on the right track a few years back but his infatuation with Chrysler and concentrating on trying to achieve huge production volumes has done his Italian brands no favours at all. The product range from Fiat is very narrow and poor now and is not ageing well (500 excepted). The Punto Evo restyle was a disaster. The Bravo was a fairly good looking car at launch but not competitive enough in terms of drivetrain or quality with the Golf etc. It has only continued to lose ground to ever better, newer offerings in this class. The about to be launched new Panda is hardly ground breaking and there are no stylish sports cars to create a halo for the brand. Abarth added a bit of glitz but already that has started to fizzle out in a fashion conscious and fickle market as there are no new models, just poor facelifts of the Punto. And now they are committing the cardinal sin of once again launching Abarth styling only packages onto the Fiat badged mainstream 500. That will sink the value of the Abarth brand for sure. Paulo Cantarella did far better in his day by spinning the Coupe and Barchetta off mainstream floorpans and injecting a bit of style and emotion into Fiat showrooms. For a company that has led the way with so many things - platform sharing to spin many varied models off one floorpan (Tipo), common rail injection etc - they are now sadly well behind the rest of the field.

    The freeze on product development spending to fund the Chrysler take over isn't going to bode well for the mid term future either as there isn't a pipeline of competitive models awaiting launch. The rebranding of the Lancia Delta (now 3 years old itself) to be sold as a Chrysler in the UK is a bad/desperate move IMHO. Chrysler hardly has a top image here. The "new" rebadged Dodge Fiat Freemont looks awful. Whatever happened to Italian style?? Sad times. They've destroyed Lancia with the new Thema being nothing more than a rebadged Chrysler 300C and not invested enough in Alfa either. The 164 was a sales sucess in it's day for Alfa but they then handicaped it's successor by freezing it's design then delaying it's launch for 3 years whilst they brought the 156 to market. When the 166 did finally appear it was unsurprisingly outdated by the competion and 164 owners had moved elsewhere. Staggeringly Fiat have tightened the purse strings once again for the replacement flagship model and haven't learnt a thing from the 166 debacle. If the 169 ever gets to market very few target buyers will even remember Alfa as competing in the 5 series market place. Sales conquests in this section of the market are extremely tough and the Fiat group lags way, way behind the likes of Audi, BMW and M Benz on the level of technology required to sway buyers nowadays. The usual stalwart of chic Italian design has also been sadly lacking since they either stopped working with the external design houses completely on new models or fudged their great designs to fit them onto totally unsuitable platforms - step forward the Brera and Spyder.

    It's sadly like watching the whole British Leyland saga being repeated by the Italians and they should strongly take heed of what happened to the once great companies who became part of that ill fated umbrella group. The best thing Marchionne could do is sell Alfa to the VW group who would give it the investment and technology it needs to find it's way again.

    Even if the 4C reaches showrooms in a vaguely similar guise to the promises Alfa have made they don't exactly have a flood of new product following behind it to take advantage of any glitz it brings to the brand. The new Giulia has been reportedly delayed due to Marchionne rejecting it's styling at the 11th hour. That speaks volumes about the lack of confidence within the company over the brand.


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    ISUK:

    The best thing Marchionne could do is sell Alfa to the VW group who would give it the investment and technology it needs to find it's way again.

    If that were the case I might contemplate buying Italian again.



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    Re: Alfa 4C Lightweight Mid-Engined Sportscar

    ISUK: The best thing Marchionne could do is sell Alfa to the VW group who would give it the investment and technology it needs to find it's way again.

     

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