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Jun 13, 2014 5:24:15 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

DaveGordon:

ISUK:

...there is a great switchback type climb call Fish Hill near Broadway that provided a lot of entertainment...

I know it well I'm from Cheltenham originally..

Is that the hill where you roll the cheese? Smiley

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Jun 13, 2014 5:34:21 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2772, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: bluelines

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

indecision Hehe, no, that's Cooper's Hill near Gloucester. Looks like they had a good one this year!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzAXj2WxPuY

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Jun 13, 2014 5:58:05 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

DaveGordon:

Hehe, no, that's Cooper's Hill near Gloucester. Looks like they had a good one this year!

Smiley

Rollin' low and dirty Smiley

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Jun 13, 2014 6:10:46 PM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4202, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

DaveGordon:

ISUK:

...there is a great switchback type climb call Fish Hill near Broadway that provided a lot of entertainment...

I know it well I'm from Cheltenham originally..

I had the road from Broadway to Winchcombe pretty much clear all the way which was also entertaining Smiley

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Jun 13, 2014 7:54:07 PM

MKW: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States; Posts: 2491, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

RC:

fritz:

Sounds like the facts or figures have got distorted here somehow.

Would make sense...

lets hope so..300-350 pounds is a huge gain no matter the size of a vehicle, but esp so for one that is just 2200-2300 pounds in ROW config

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Jun 13, 2014 10:30:34 PM

Gladstone: Expert; Loc: Kansas City, MO , United States; Posts: 1812, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 27, 2008; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

Rossi:

I know the reason for the enormous weight increase of the US-version:

For all my American friends here at rennteam: no offense intended!

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Smiley I'm thinking softer springs to tolerate US roads, but much bigger springs for the weight and "heavy" duty shocks or struts.

All kidding aside, I have seen so many different reports of 250 to 300 lbs in increased weight that Grey market cars will be the only way to go in the US.

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Jun 14, 2014 5:01:14 PM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4202, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: Gladstone

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

A review of the US market 4C. It looks like Alfa have added a full leather dash and door coverings plus the headlights from the spider concept for the US market.

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Jun 15, 2014 1:10:45 AM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8631, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: ISUK

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TFL content is always..."interesting" ...to put it politely. They claim the US spec model is 300lbs heavier from A/C and the radio? They produce a 11 minute piece and cant even do a 0-60mph test. Marvelous reporting.

But they do have a lot of enthusiasm for the car and its good to see Alfa back in the US at 86 selected Fiat dealerships. http://blog.sfgate.com/topdown/2014/06/11/alfa-romeo-4c-dealers-announced/

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Jun 15, 2014 2:56:53 AM

MKW: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States; Posts: 2491, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2002; Reply to: JimFlat6

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

US version's EPA curb weight ( with all fluids ) is 2450 lbs per Alfa Romeo , 100 kg (220 lbs ) more than ROW wet weight :

From Motor Trend : " according to Fiat's European product development head Mauro Pierallini in an interview with Automotive News Europe.......the U.S.-spec car .....weighing ( 220 lbs ) more than the European ( version) .......According to Pierallini, the weight gain is due to aluminum inserts in the carbon fiber chassis, as well as additional gas tank and fuel line protection, and equipment to meet U.S. emission standards. "

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Jun 16, 2014 10:38:03 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 4713, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: fritz

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

fritz:

CGX car nut:

RC:

If the weight increase is true, there needs to be a reason for it. I kind of started to be worried about the safety of the European version of the 4C.

Safety and a few options like A/C; however, the greatest extent of the weight gain is additional safety equipment required for sale in the United States.

The European and US safety legislation requirements are not so far apart that a weight difference of 300 pounds between the two versions of the same model for those two markets can be plausibly explained, as witnessed by the fact that you do not get such differences with other vehicles sold in both markets. In the case of most car models the differences are limited to certification stickers and software, neither of which are known to be particularly heavy.

Sounds like the facts or figures have got distorted here somehow.

Here is the source and I doubt that too much of a distortion of fact was made:

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/06/10/alfa-romeo-4c-priced-53900-gains-342-pounds/

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Jun 16, 2014 10:40:48 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12482, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: CGX car nut

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

They also had a review today with a bit more detail:

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/06/16/2015-alfa-romeo-4c-first-drive-review-video/

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Jun 17, 2014 7:42:37 AM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4202, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: Grant

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

That's a good review. The sports exhaust does drone a bit around 3,000 RPM which is anywhere between 80 and 90 mph. Go above or below that and it disappears. That's a pretty common issue in my experience of most sport exhaust set ups that don't have a switchable flap to quiet them down when not wanted. The fact the car has a carbon tub merely serves to amplify the sound of the engine and exhaust in the cabin which won't suit everyone but I love it.

Familiarity with the car makes some of the control operations more intuitive. The speed of shifts both up and down the box is good and it is easy to smooth out upshifts by gently lifting the throttle slightly as the gear engages. Keep your foot planted and you get the thump in the back of the Ferrari F1 system and can feel the wheelspin in lower gears as the lightweight of the car lets power momentarily win out over traction. It's a lot of fun smiley The steering is great and really opens your eyes to how much feel has been lost with power assisted sytems. After driving the 4C for a couple of days I got in my Range Rover Sport and it felt like the steering was broken as there was so little feel in comparison indecision Normally I'd think the steering in that was pretty good.

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Jun 17, 2014 1:50:43 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12482, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: ISUK

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ISUK:The steering is great and really opens your eyes to how much feel has been lost with power assisted sytems.

Absolutely Smiley

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Jun 17, 2014 5:40:58 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Grant

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

ISUK: will be interesting to hear what you think after 6 months and a few thousand miles ...

wonder if you are going through a 'new toilet' effect

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Jun 17, 2014 6:10:36 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12105, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: sfo

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

The USA car weighs 1.050 kg in dry weight compared to 895 kg for the European version. Huge difference of 155 kg or +17%.

Can someone explain what the reason is? No othet car in history had to differ so much in weight to be sold worldwide!

Safety? What safety?

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Jun 17, 2014 7:56:29 PM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4202, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: sfo

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

sfo:

ISUK: will be interesting to hear what you think after 6 months and a few thousand miles ...

wonder if you are going through a 'new toilet' effect

Not quite sure what a "new toilet" effect is Smiley Smiley

I can't think of another car that gets anywhere close to offering what the 4C does so don't see myself parting with it unless it is for the spider version. It is the perfect weekend toy with more than enough power for road driving. I accept it won't suit all tastes but that's fine as few cars ever do.

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Jun 17, 2014 8:04:35 PM

Italo: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1054, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 29, 2007; Reply to: ISUK

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

ISUK:

sfo:

ISUK: will be interesting to hear what you think after 6 months and a few thousand miles ...

wonder if you are going through a 'new toilet' effect

Not quite sure what a "new toilet" effect is

I can't think of another car that gets anywhere close to offering what the 4C does so don't see myself parting with it unless it is for the spider version. It is the perfect weekend toy with more than enough power for road driving. I accept it won't suit all tastes but that's fine as few cars ever do.

I knew it was ur 458 spider at Top555 when I stopped by, aren't u missing the exclusivity of ferrari ownership ?

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Jun 17, 2014 8:09:20 PM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4202, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: Italo

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

I still have 4 Dinos and an F50

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Jun 17, 2014 8:11:16 PM

Italo: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1054, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 29, 2007; Reply to: ISUK

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

ISUK:

I still have 4 Dinos and an F50

Smiley

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Jun 17, 2014 9:47:18 PM

Gladstone: Expert; Loc: Kansas City, MO , United States; Posts: 1812, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 27, 2008; Reply to: ISUK

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

ISUK:

I still have 4 Dinos and an F50

A wee bit Dino retentive? Smiley

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Jun 17, 2014 11:23:35 PM

pride355: Rennteam Pro; Loc: iSTANBUL , Turkey; Posts: 2475, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 28, 2005; Reply to: ISUK

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

ISUK:

I still have 4 Dinos and an F50

An F50? I have missed something lately ? Smiley Smiley

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Jun 18, 2014 2:04:16 AM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8612, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: pride355

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

pride355:

ISUK:

I still have 4 Dinos and an F50

An F50? I have missed something lately ?

it was a huge bombshell on the Dino restoration thread. We're still waiting on morel ics and info, but delivery hasn't taken place yet.

I'll shut up before I sound like a stalker. Smiley

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Jun 18, 2014 2:57:58 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 15616, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Enmanuel

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

Even I missed about the F50 part.

Iain, why on Earth did you need 4, 4 Dinos?

I like the neon green one thought. For sale? :)

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Jun 18, 2014 7:28:35 AM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4202, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

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The 2nd, 3rd and 4th Dinos were opportunistic purchases. I found great people for restoration work and bought the cars as long term investments. The market on these cars has now risen considerably since I bought them and I doubt it will ever fall back significantly due to the relatively small numbers made.

The F50 has arrived and here are a few pics kiss It was delivered with some US style floor mats which are of dubious taste but will protect the floor in the meantime. I don't know why people have to have huge logos on floor mats to remind them of what car they are sitting in yes Don't they notice what it is when they walk up and open the door? smiley

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Jun 18, 2014 7:40:07 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 15616, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: ISUK

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OMG, that's not huge, that's a GIGANTIC logo !!!!!!

Opportunistic purchases, I know that term, well more like implosive purchases.

Will you get a 5th one if given the chances?

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Jun 18, 2014 7:50:00 AM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4202, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

Whoopsy:

OMG, that's not huge, that's a GIGANTIC logo !!!!!!

Opportunistic purchases, I know that term, well more like implosive purchases.

Will you get a 5th one if given the chances?

The owner must have wanted passing aircraft to be able to identify the car Smiley

I think 4 Dinos is enough so am letting others pick up the restoration gauntlet on that model now. I had considered buying a 308 as those models are starting to rise in value and will continue to do so IMHO after being under valued for too long. After buying the F50 I shelved that idea as I think I have enough cars in my retirement fund now Smiley

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Jun 18, 2014 8:16:46 AM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1213, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: ISUK

Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

I think a nice 993 TT would round it off nicely. Can't believe how these seem to be going up.

Bubble? Where?

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Jun 18, 2014 9:40:52 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12666, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: ISUK

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THAT F50 IS G-O-R-G-E-O-U-S !!!!! angel angel angel

Sorry for my excitement, normally I'm a bit more relaxed. smiley

But I always had a soft spot for the F50 and never understood why it is considered as the black sheep of the Ferrari-halo-cars-family. Okay, must be a bit "special" to drive, since the engine is bolted directly to the rear wall if I remember correctly, which should result in some "special" feelings during driving, but it's a V12 and it has a removable top. kiss

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Jun 18, 2014 10:18:41 AM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3246, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: Rossi

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Are the pedals transparent or missing on the F50

A V12 supercar from Ferrari with a proper gearbox kiss

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Jun 18, 2014 10:28:42 AM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1213, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: BiTurbo

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Was this the ex Rod Stewart car? If so, have you checked behind the seats for thongs?

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