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    Re: Cayman isn't a success

    Itsme:

    don't know if this is any valuable info.


    Any info from people who actually have seen the car is 1000x more valuable than those boring spy pics SmileySmiley


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    Re: Cayman isn't a success

     I can see that Porsche doesn't want to mess with the 911 design, but with the Boxster and the Cayman they should move away from the evolution design. 

    I would like to see a more edgy design on the Boxster and the Cayman should differentiate itself more from the Boxster. Both cars should be different from the current models and not look like a facelift. 

     


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    Re: Cayman isn't a success

    Porsche-Jeck:

    @ DC: glad to hear that you're happy with the Boxster Coupé SmileySmiley

     

    Thanks PJ, very happy - except we should have included PASM in our spec - excluded it as an economy measure having ordered such an exclusive car....Smiley the ride is much firmer than the Boxster on 19" wheels + PASM was. SWMBO not impressed on our 3rd world country's rough and ill maintained roads, even if I find it fine. Smiley Silly mistake. Smiley

    But I am under no illusions that our car is "only" a Boxster Coupe. Smiley Sadly I can only dream of ever owning a "proper" Porsche Smiley


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    Re: Cayman isn't a success

    Porsche-Jeck:

    Can't blame a (good) car for silly marketing Smiley

     Smiley  Smiley


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    Re: Cayman isn't a success

    RC:

    I can talk about Germany only (It is kind of mentality thing): Porsche could put a 450 hp GT3 RS engine into the current Cayman and I still think it wouldn't be a huge success.

    The problem with the Cayman is...identity. People associate the 911 with the Porsche sports car. If the Cayman would be something else, not a sports car, it would probably sell better.  I actually think that the name Cayman would have been more appropriate for the upcoming smaller SUV, the "Cajun". 

    The 911 can not be "beaten". The only Porsche sports car which could, could have more success than the 911, is the rumored GT based on the Panamera.

    How could Porsche re-design the Cayman to fit better in the model range? I don't have a clue. I would change the look (again...roofline), I would change the front and rear lights (no more semi-Boxster look) and I would reduce comfort features (optional) to lower weight further. Price tag should be under the Boxster price tag.

    How about installing that 450hp GT3 RS engine and calling it a Porsche 906 GTS...

     

    Although it was officially named Carrera GTS, it opened a new chapter in Porsche's sporting history under the internal designation 904. The 904, designed by Ferdinand Alexander Porsche (known as "Butzi"), anticipated, from a technical point of view, much that did not become the norm in racing car manufacturing until later: mixed steel/plastic construction, low weight, small frontal area. It was the first Porsche with a plastic body and 100 examples had to be built in order to qualify for the GT class. This was followed by a further 20 vehicles, of which 16 were assembled. The rest provided the parts for the spare parts store.

    The 904 GTS displayed in the Porsche museum had, as a works car, an eight-cylinder two-litre engine and joined the line-up at Le Mans in 1964 and in 1965 driven by Mitter/Davis.

    Exactly five months after it was presented, Porsche achieved its fifth victory in this classic race on 26 April 1964 with the production 904 at the Targa Florio. Antonio Pucci and Colin Davis snatched victory ahead of Linge/Balzarini in an identical 904. Further victories followed: at the Tour de France, at the 1,000 kilometre race around the Nürburgring, in the Le Mans 24 hour race and in the following Reims 24 hour race. The 904 proved its roadworthiness at the Monte Carlo rally in 1965, where Eugen Böhringer still came in second despite a totally snow-covered course. The 904 fitted with four, six and eight-cylinder engines was not only a very successful racing car of the early 1960s, to this day it is still regarded as one of the most attractive...

    ...with all due respect to the 1964 Porsche 904 GTS Coupe and Walter Rohrl!

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     At least it sounded like a sport car.

    Also, it appeared that WR was fighting to control it.


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    Re: Cayman isn't a success

    fritz:
    Porsche-Jeck:

    Can't blame a (good) car for silly marketing Smiley

     Smiley  Smiley


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    Re: Cayman isn't a success

     I think the name "Gayman" might be a help rather than hindrance in Sydney, you see lots of GAY MAN in Sydney - not kidding about both - the car and the shirt lifters


    Re: Cayman isn't a success

    Porsche-Jeck:

    Same size = good Smiley Improved interior = very good SmileySmiley

    Now the only things I need to know in addition is which engine will be available at what time and when it will be possible to grab a very early production car (against my habit I will have to go for an early car for some reason). SmileySmiley

    1. Not same size

    2. Interior is bigger and nicer (Panamera touch, not the same)

    3. Two engines available, Carrera and Carrera S models (rumored power is 360 and 400 hp, +/- a couple of horses)

    4. Talk to your dealer, you can get one of his " market introduction" models


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    Thanks for the valuable info, RC Smiley

    @ # 3. are you saying Boxster models will get the same engines as Carrera models or did you just mention the Carrera engines to give an orientation for a guesstimate how many horses the Boxster models will get (Carrera minus X) Smiley


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    I just mentioned the Carrera engines. According to the latest rumors, there is going to be a Boxster Turbo with a 4 cyl. engine and aprox. 200-220 hp, the so called "entry level" model.

    There was also a rumor of a Boxster 4-cyl top model turbo charged engine with 360 horses.

    I'm not sure if it makes sense to use two 4-cyl and two 6 cyl engines in the Boxster, I could rather imagine that Porsche switches to the turbo charged 4-cyl engines completely but I'm not sure this would be a wise move.


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    Re: Cayman isn't a success

    dreamcar:
    fritz:
    Porsche-Jeck:

    Can't blame a (good) car for silly marketing Smiley

     Smiley  Smiley


    Smiley


     


     

    +1 Smiley

    Both the Cayman and Boxster are excellent cars - the Cayman's flaw is not to do with the car itself - merely the marketing and, more importantly, the pricing.

    Alas, in my case, the legroom has always been the problem. It's why my wife and I have always had second thoughts about getting a Boxster for her - as and when she needs a car of her own.


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    Re: Cayman isn't a success

    I guess if Porsche can really make the 4 cyl-Turbo outperform the 6 cyl NA, then they have a fair chance to overcome a potential "customer-identity-6cyl-only-issue". I mean, BMW is currently doing it with the 1 series, where they dropped the 6cyl NA for a 4 cyl Turbo. Porsche would need to make a decision though, whether they offer only 4cyl. Turbos or 6 cyl. NAs - for me there would be no "and/or", but one concept only.

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    Hopefully Porsche will not make the same mistakes BMW did, because it has already cost them dearly.


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    Re: Cayman isn't a success

    d997h:
    I guess if Porsche can really make the 4 cyl-Turbo outperform the 6 cyl NA, then they have a fair chance to overcome a potential "customer-identity-6cyl-only-issue". I mean, BMW is currently doing it with the 1 series, where they dropped the 6cyl NA for a 4 cyl Turbo. Porsche would need to make a decision though, whether they offer only 4cyl. Turbos or 6 cyl. NAs - for me there would be no "and/or", but one concept only.

    We'll see the 4C Turbo in the new Boxster and the new 550, to begin with. Beyond that, I don't think even Porsche are clear in their minds yet.

    Porsche offered 4C turbos in the past in their lower models, so this will be nothing new.


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    Re: Cayman isn't a success

    According to the latest rumors, there won't be any entry level model below the Boxster.


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    Re: Cayman isn't a success

    RC:

    According to the latest rumors, there won't be any entry level model below the Boxster.


    That is a great news for me, regarding brand delution...


    Re: Cayman isn't a success

    Boyko23:
    RC:

    According to the latest rumors, there won't be any entry level model below the Boxster.


    That is a great news for me, regarding brand delution...

    Don't care much about brand delution since Porsche also has Cayenne and Panamera.  But agree that a model below Boxster is not a good idea since below a base Boxster, this is not much room for a car to have enough power to stay sporty. 

    I think if one wants something below a Boxster, there are plenty of used Porsche to choose from.  This will help Porsche cars to maintain their values.  A model below Boxster will have a huge impact on the used Porsche market. 


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