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    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Gnil:
    Leawood911:

    My first 911 was a 77 with a 2.7. They are not the same motor as the RS. Unless you have the MFI RS motor any run of the mill 2.7 is not the same. Even the 1974. 

    The car that mechanic  has , is a 1974 Carrera 2.7 and it has the same engine as on the RS .  Only difference is the max HP on the RS is at a lower range ( 5100 rpm ) 

     2687 cm3 , 210 HP at 6300 rpm , 255Nm at 5100 rpm  

     They produced 2277 cars . From 1975 they added extra insulation to the inside and the engine bay . 

    Do not confuse it with the 911 2.7  ( not carrera )  that had 165 HP and was  '' mass'' produced from 1974 to 1977  and has only 165 HP , 235 Nm, 

    Sorry , there is a mistake in what I wrote as my info about the RS from a specialized mag  was wrong  ( I thought it looked strange .... ) . The 210 HP from the RS are also at 6300 rpm , exactly like on the Carrera 2.7 . It is the exact same engine !


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    m4ever:

    Gnil if you have the opportunity to do it, do it. It is a marvellous experience.  Besides the  2.7 Carrera with the 911/83 engine is the last series production application of the mechanical fuel injection. This 911 will always represent a milestone in Porsche history .

    With regards to the drawbacks, in my personal opinion  it is the driver`s effort. Those cars require permanent concentration as there are no safety nets; braking takes longer, the lift off oversteer is always a menace and you always really need to drive the car whether at 60 km/h or 180 km/h. On the wet you need to pay even more attention. Said that , this involvement, creates also amazing fun even at legal speeds . Yes safety is an issue as it is with any vintage car .  Furthemore in your country you have the perfect setting to enjoy a vintage 911 .

    I réalisé that that engine is very special Smiley The mechanic , who works on many 911, used to prepare lots of  993 Cup for racing , he is a real '' mechanical guru '' in the 911 community , told me this is his favorite engine mainly because of the mechanical fuel injection . 

    Price will be very steep , we all know how the market went in the last years . Too bad, as 10 years ago, that car was forgotten . There was not much interest in the Carrera 2.7 and prices were around 30k euro .  But it could still be a good investment . ( not that I do it for that reason, but I would hate the loose money on it )

    I will have a deeper look into it . I am pretty excited about the whole project . 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Saw this in London 10 days ago at Hexagon Classics.

    Left hand drive, Beautiful. Thought I would share here.

    Before you ask, i cannot recall the asking price!

     

     

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    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Beautiful indeed .  I do not need to know the asking price ..... too high for me  and I will not go for the RS . The Carrera is nearly as efficient for 1/4th of the price 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Yeah, the Euro Carrera 2.7 (74-77) is a great car with the 210hp 911/83 MFI motor.  The 74 Carrera in the US was not good (CIS injection and thermal reactor emissions equipment sucked in comparison).


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Find the donated car for you, just do the conversion and you are good to go....ups, it needs paint too.

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    Re: Carrera 2.7

    martini964:

    Find the donated car for you, just do the conversion and you are good to go....ups, it needs paint too.

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    I ll take the whole lot, just as it is . Not sure yet which bits I will paintSmiley Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    vintage cars are fun to drive and own.

    yes, surely the safety issue does exist....we are used to ABS and electronic nannies.

    if you drive them with having that in mind they are pure joy....you actually feel that you are driving versus being driven around indecision


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    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: Carrera 2.7

    intouch1:

    vintage cars are fun to drive and own.

    yes, surely the safety issue does exist....we are used to ABS and electronic nannies.

    if you drive them with having that in mind they are pure joy....you actually feel that you are driving versus being driven around indecision

    My first car did not have ABS , nor power steering . It was not a problem at the time . Why should it be now, unless I got too out of shape ..... which  it is not Smiley  I want some of that feeling back Smiley

    If someone is interested in knowing more about this model, here is a link :

    http://blog.carreramfi.com/2015/07/1974-carrera-rm-monterey.html

    The car had 3 back lid options .

    Either nothing at the back ( my favorite )  .  On the 1974 model you could have the duck tail option . Then in 1975 that option changed for the wale wing .   See bellow the different options .

    The Carrera sticker on the side was also an option . 

    The car I could get has the duck tail option . I did not see it yet .

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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Gnil:
    martini964:

    Find the donated car for you, just do the conversion and you are good to go....ups, it needs paint too.

    tumblr_on0br2ueJY1rydpjxo1_1280.jpg

    I ll take the whole lot, just as it is . Not sure yet which bits I will paintSmiley Smiley

    Generally don't name my cars but this picture inspires me to call for a top ten list.

    1) Pink Beaver. 

    2) ...


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    DJM48:

    Saw this in London 10 days ago at Hexagon Classics.

    Left hand drive, Beautiful. Thought I would share here.

    Before you ask, i cannot recall the asking price!

    £550K


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    More insult to injury :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c64Dkml9vY4

    BTW, I had big whale tail and it look fantastics, I modified it for 964 tho


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    here is my vintage "Project" wink

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    Re: Carrera 2.7

    martini964:

    More insult to injury :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c64Dkml9vY4

    BTW, I had big whale tail and it look fantastics, I modified it for 964 tho

    What ? You installed a whale tail on the 964 ? 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    BjoernB:

    here is my vintage "Project" wink

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    This is too wintage for me , but a beautifully exiting project ! You and Lars can make a club 😄


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    @Gnil : this is (see link) by far the best book written on the 911 2.7 Carrera (MFI). Expensive but well worth. It compares in quality to the RS Konradsheim book

    https://parabolicapress.com/products/porsche-carrera-2-7-book

     

     


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Could you get rid of the impact bumpers on that model Gnil, or you're not looking to backdate it?


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    1992 Mercedes-Benz W124 500E / 2003 BMW M3 CSL (sold) / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2014 BMW-Alpina B3 biturbo Touring Allrad


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Gnil:
    martini964:

    What ? You installed a whale tail on the 964 ? 

    Yes, lots of redo/cut/add on FG but it looked stunning. I don't have picture to share  as everything backed to stock on mine. Im in process to install it on 993 this summer angry indecision


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    BjoernB:

    here is my vintage "Project" wink

    2017-04-09-PHOTO-00000024.jpg

    Beautifull, any more picture/info ?


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    BjoernB:

    here is my vintage "Project" wink

    2017-04-09-PHOTO-00000024.jpg

     

    That R8 sure looks different!


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    Re: Carrera 2.7

    martini964:
    Gnil:
    martini964:

    What ? You installed a whale tail on the 964 ? 

    Yes, lots of redo/cut/add on FG but it looked stunning. I don't have picture to share  as everything backed to stock on mine. Im in process to install it on 993 this summer angry indecision

    Pictures will be a must !! 🙀😁


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    m4ever:

    @Gnil : this is (see link) by far the best book written on the 911 2.7 Carrera (MFI). Expensive but well worth. It compares in quality to the RS Konradsheim book

    https://parabolicapress.com/products/porsche-carrera-2-7-book

     

     

    That looks interesting. Thanks ! 

    @ Porker : I did not think about that as they don't really bother me. Even if ideally without it would look cleaner . Then , as we know , anything not original on that kind of car will make it less valuable. 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Whoopsy:
    BjoernB:

    here is my vintage "Project" wink

    2017-04-09-PHOTO-00000024.jpg

     

    That R8 sure looks different!

    Probably the first R8 I'm not interested in 😂 but still beautiful, too vintage for me though.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Hi Björn - this car is magnificent. You will love it, I'm sure. My Speedster is the holy grale. I love the car like I do not love any other. The drive is unique and  it doesn't need a bit more of technology than what you find in a 356. Enjoy!!!


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Just some friday delight (Teil der Maschine on a 2.7 RS): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZethoEinTY


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Gnil:
    intouch1:

    vintage cars are fun to drive and own.

    yes, surely the safety issue does exist....we are used to ABS and electronic nannies.

    if you drive them with having that in mind they are pure joy....you actually feel that you are driving versus being driven around indecision

    My first car did not have ABS , nor power steering . It was not a problem at the time . Why should it be now, unless I got too out of shape ..... which  it is not Smiley  I want some of that feeling back Smiley

    If someone is interested in knowing more about this model, here is a link :

    http://blog.carreramfi.com/2015/07/1974-carrera-rm-monterey.html

    The car had 3 back lid options .

    Either nothing at the back ( my favorite )  .  On the 1974 model you could have the duck tail option . Then in 1975 that option changed for the wale wing .   See bellow the different options .

    The Carrera sticker on the side was also an option . 

    The car I could get has the duck tail option . I did not see it yet .

     

    Screen Shot 2014-12-14 at 11.57.14 PM.png

     

     


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 

     

     

     

    Gnil.....I enquired about this car (in the Netherlands, correct ?) three days ago and it has sold. I would have bought it on the spot. Its what I want for rallying and that had the correct details and roll-cage etc.

    I am on the hunt for a 2.7 MFI.....lets make sure we do not push prices up by bidding for the same car Smiley


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    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Gnil, does your Porsche Guru have a Rally Car for me ?

     

    I could also go earlier, like 1971.....


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    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: Carrera 2.7

    intouch1:

    Gnil, does your Porsche Guru have a Rally Car for me ?

     

    I could also go earlier, like 1971.....

    I will try to pass at his garage this coming  week and ask him if he has something . I ll let you know .

    And don't worry , we will not clash with bidding , I am out at the moment Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: Carrera 2.7

    indecision

     

    thank you, Gnil


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    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: Carrera 2.7

    Whoopsy:
    BjoernB:

    here is my vintage "Project" wink

    2017-04-09-PHOTO-00000024.jpg

     

    That R8 sure looks different!

    Smiley You just did it...didn't you?!

    Btw: I hate vintage cars. I like looking at some (not all) but I hate driving them. A friend asked me last year to join a classic rally with him (nothing fancy like what Sherif did, only a weekend here in Bavaria but very exclusive, lots of VIPs around with their personal cars, incl. some "vintage" race drivers Smiley) but I declined. Didn't see the fun in that because I was supposed to do most of the driving. I was also a bit scared because of the car (worth over 600k) and the fact that I cannot really drive slow, I would push it too hard and this is not the car or the event for doing that. Yes, I was scared I would mess up and make myself look like an ass but in retrospect, I may have enjoyed it...maybe. Still not a fan though, I love technology and refinement, not a vintage stuff type of guy, sorry. Smiley 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


     
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