Crown

Board: Motor Sports Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread


    Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    According to this article
     
    sorry, only in german
    http://www.nuerburgring.de/fans-info/news/presse/pressemitteilungen/mehr-sicherheit-auf-der-nordschleife.html

    --

    Porsche 911 GT3 - Guards Red 997 MKII Clubsport


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Good!  I guess they waited for Koenigsegg to go home first angry


    --

     

     

    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550

     


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    I'd love to see the new GT3 RS time without the speed limits.

     

     

     


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    JoeRockhead:

    I'd love to see the new GT3 RS time without the speed limits.

    Yes, SportAuto should re-test now...


    --

    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    I'm not sure if the press release mentioned that the speed limits are lifted from now: I think it looked like they will improve the security around the track and that it will be ready 2016.

    My german is bad so I might have misunderstood it... 

     


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Gauss:

    According to this article

     

    sorry, only in german

    http://www.nuerburgring.de/fans-info/news/presse/pressemitteilungen/mehr-sicherheit-auf-der-nordschleife.html

    No, the speed limits are still in effect but they may (or may not) be lifted around 2016, depending on the construction measures planned to improve safety. 
    My bet is: I wouldn't bet on any speed limit lifting before 2017 or maybe late 2016.


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    If hey lift it they have changed the road - means you have to do all tests again!


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    I think we will all be forced to drive TDi powered cars in the future and it would be safe to pollute the world while doing 60 - 80 km/h as long as you don't break the law broken heart

     


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    enlightened

    Koenigsegg One:1 crashes on the Nürburgring

    "Koenigsegg has confirmed the One:1 has been involved in a crash and the driver was taken to a hospital per standard procedures.  The driver was released a short time later so they appeared to have escaped the crash relatively unharmed.

    The company went on to say it was testing the model in an attempt to set a Nürburgring lap record in the future and the "incident is confirmation of just how difficult it is to drive at this level on the world’s ultimate proving ground." Koenigsegg added, "Obviously we are dismayed with this development but pleased that our safety systems worked as designed to protect our driver."

     

     


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Too bad!  I have so much admiration what they have done with a small budget...


    --

    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    It's a good thing the driver is ok.

    But it also illustrate the point that Koenigsegg cars are just straight line machines, they still have much to learn about car handling. Power isn't everything. 

    They never ever raced in any series, car handling at a higher rate of speed is still a foreign concept. There is more to handling than simply to make the car do 180s at the end of runways. 

     


    --

     

     


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    The speed must of been huge judging by the place , the length of skid marks , and where the car ended after touching the armco !! 

    The car  looks rock solid !


    --

     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Whoopsy:

    It's a good thing the driver is ok.

    But it also illustrate the point that Koenigsegg cars are just straight line machines, they still have much to learn about car handling. Power isn't everything. 

    They never ever raced in any series, car handling at a higher rate of speed is still a foreign concept. There is more to handling than simply to make the car do 180s at the end of runways. 

     

    The fact a car crashed during tests illustrates it is a straight line machine? Funny logic... So if you would crash your GT4 CS on track, it's because it's a straight line machine?

    I don't know if you've seen the video of a One:1 tearing up Spa, it looks very very capable to me, as proven by the laptimes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wplfrYpox0


    --

    2003 BMW M3 CSL (sold) / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS / 2013 MINI John Cooper Works GP / 2014 BMW Alpina D3 biturbo Touring


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Porker:
    Whoopsy:

    But it also illustrate the point that Koenigsegg cars are just straight line machines, they still have much to learn about car handling. Power isn't everything. 

    The fact a car crashed during tests illustrates it is a straight line machine?

    +1

    I also fail to how such a general conclusion can be drawn from one specific accident Smiley

    There is a vast number of factors which could contribute to such an accident. It could simply be a driver mistake or inexperience, technical failure, etc.


    --

    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | Powerkit White - The fastest car on Rennteam
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Then again, following the above logic it would appear that the 918 should be driven in a straight line too indecision

    http://youtu.be/1XuAbn29QXY

     


    --

    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | Powerkit White - The fastest car on Rennteam
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    given the Long line of rubber he laid down it's either way to fast approached or something technical - which I personally believe happened as the line seems to be very straight.......


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Would have been interesting to see him coming up the Fox hole: I guess something went bad after the compression which forced him to take the fast lefthander too fast and slam the brakes as early as possible.

    Some video after the fact;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZWEBAHREa8


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Just imagine how fast this thing must have gone through Fuchsröhre..


    --

    2015 911 GT3, 1964 Type 1


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Porker:
    Whoopsy:

    It's a good thing the driver is ok.

    But it also illustrate the point that Koenigsegg cars are just straight line machines, they still have much to learn about car handling. Power isn't everything. 

    They never ever raced in any series, car handling at a higher rate of speed is still a foreign concept. There is more to handling than simply to make the car do 180s at the end of runways. 

     

    The fact a car crashed during tests illustrates it is a straight line machine? Funny logic... So if you would crash your GT4 CS on track, it's because it's a straight line machine?

    I don't know if you've seen the video of a One:1 tearing up Spa, it looks very very capable to me, as proven by the laptimes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wplfrYpox0

     

    I know how it did in Spa. But the Ring is a whole different track than Spa. It is much more demanding, with all the elevation changes and compression and off camber stuff and not as smooth pavement.

    The One:1 has more than excess power, it can gather immense speed in no time, that means it basically has to bled off spend in a hurry for turns or make the car sticks like crazy to go around them. From what I gathered, Koenigsegg has a very capable chief test driver, who also knows quite intimately about the performance of the One:1, which means it is likely not a driver's error, but the car's, for this crash.

    I see 2 straight tire marks that starts from the far corner's apex, which means 2 wheels are locked up skidding straight for the barrier. Drivetrain seized up? Broken suspension at the other apex? Or the car's balance got upset by the other corner? 

    Koenigsegg's always have a reputation as a straight line machine, Christian tried to change that notion with the One:1, pushing it at race tracks to set lap records. I applaud him for that. But as a company they just doesn't have the racing experiences to tune handling yet. It takes more than just raw HP to go around the Ring fast. We routinely see some cars that goes faster than another with much more HP. The Ring is so much more than just make the corner and then blast down the straights, it is much more demand in the transition phase of a car, as 90% of the time on a Ring a car is driven in a changing state. 


    --

     

     


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Some more 'insights' on the topic:

    http://www.bridgetogantry.com/update-koenigsegg-one1-crash-at-foxhole/


    --

    2003 BMW M3 CSL (sold) / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS / 2013 MINI John Cooper Works GP / 2014 BMW Alpina D3 biturbo Touring


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    That whole braking/ABS thing isn't confirmed, just a rumor.

    What isn't a rumor: The car is apparently not a factory car but a car belonging to an Asian national living in Germany. Car was registered in Germany. Koenigsegg apparently borrowed the car from him for the record lap they plan to achieve. What a shame. According to Koenigsegg, the damage is "only" 14%, so the car can be very likely rebuilt. I guess they need to say that because they owe the owner his car.  angry Tragic...


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    I don't believe Koenisegg keep any cars, even the show cars at Geneva were pre-sold and 'borrowed' back for display.

     


    --

     

     


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Whoopsy:

    I don't believe Koenisegg keep any cars, even the show cars at Geneva were pre-sold and 'borrowed' back for display.

     

    I wonder how long it takes to rebuild that car...and how much it costs Koenigsegg. Not sure there is an insurance for such an accident, I think Koenigsegg is on their own here...


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Statement from Koenigsegg below. Kudos to them for being so open about the incident kiss 

    http://koenigsegg.com/2664-2/


    --

    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | Powerkit White - The fastest car on Rennteam
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Forgot to add, the comment section is worth reading...


    --

    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | Powerkit White - The fastest car on Rennteam
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    bluelines:

    Statement from Koenigsegg below. Kudos to them for being so open about the incident kiss 

    http://koenigsegg.com/2664-2/

    They are? Where do they mention that they borrowed a customer car and wrecked it? Smiley Smiley


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    RC:
    bluelines:

    Statement from Koenigsegg below. Kudos to them for being so open about the incident kiss 

    http://koenigsegg.com/2664-2/

    They are? Where do they mention that they borrowed a customer car and wrecked it? Smiley Smiley

    Who has confirmed this is a customer car? Even if it is, maybe the record attempt was the initiative from the customer? You don't know the background.

    Having said that, I never saw such official statement from Porsche, Audi or any other brand for that matter. Hence kudos to them for being open about the incident and above all mentioning that the driver is fine, which is far more important than if this is a customer car or not.


    --

    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | Powerkit White - The fastest car on Rennteam
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    I just confirmed it. 

    When Walter Röhrl crashed his Carrera GT, there was a statement...directly from him

    Also why would car manufacturers issue statements about accidents of development prototypes if no third parties are involved? yes

    That Koenigsegg wasn't a development prototype, it was an older car (2014?) borrowed from a customer from Germany, even had German license plates and a German registration (which was difficult to achieve because German registration papers allow only powers up to 999 kW).


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    Anyway, you have the right to your view and I let you have the last word  


    --

    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | Powerkit White - The fastest car on Rennteam
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: Tempo limits at the Ring have been lifted

    bluelines:

    Anyway, you have the right to your view and I let you have the last word  

    No, seriously, this is not about being right or not. The car was indeed borrowed from a customer and that guy isn't pleased. Smiley


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


     
    Edit

    Forum

    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky The moment I've been waiting for... 1/2/22 1:35 AM
    Leawood911
     
     
     
     
     
    517336 1294
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020) 11/8/21 7:43 PM
    Leawood911
    187110 1154
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 1/9/22 7:08 PM
    Wonderbar
    75601 401
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 1/19/22 1:24 PM
    Porker
    73869 758
    Porsche Sticky Porsche Taycan Turbo S - Short Review 1/3/22 7:55 AM
    Rossi
    56302 531
    Porsche Sticky ROAD TEST: New 992 Carrera 4S 3/3/21 10:57 PM
    Wonderbar
    50562 336
    Porsche Sticky Porsche extends the Taycan model range (Taycan 2WD) 2/1/21 12:42 PM
    Leawood911
    14046 29
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Cayman GT4 RS (2021) 1/15/22 10:41 PM
    watt
    1156 1
    Porsche Cayman GT4 10/5/21 7:04 PM
    Topspeed
    477797 3587
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017) 9/28/21 3:25 AM
    WhoopsyM
    393243 3507
    McLaren McLaren on a winning streak 11/25/21 12:31 AM
    WhoopsyM
    388776 3949
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018) 11/17/21 5:18 PM
    Rossi
    354234 3256
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016) 10/8/21 11:41 AM
    xpto
    325367 2647
    Porsche 992 GT3 1/18/22 7:30 AM
    GnilM
    295414 3314
    Porsche OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car 9/29/21 1:59 AM
    watt
    257464 1587
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016) 2/11/21 9:22 AM
    Itsme
    170236 1379
    Lambo Lamborghini Huracan and variants 4/9/21 4:32 PM
    Topspeed
    121571 1225
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 9/22/21 1:28 AM
    Leawood911
    105910 749
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 12/22/21 7:10 PM
    Topspeed
    97876 1246
    McLaren F1 7/10/21 7:43 AM
    BiTurbo
    83923 209
    AMG AMG GT R 1/12/22 6:30 PM
    CGX car nut
    76731 828
    Lambo Aventador and SV 1/14/22 2:22 AM
    BiTurbo
    76478 699
    Others Tesla 2 the new thread 1/19/22 3:20 PM
    CGX car nut
    57473 1434
    Others Bugatti Chiron 1/13/22 11:07 PM
    kudryavchik
    45439 507
    Motor Sp. [2021] Formula 1 1/8/22 5:39 PM
    kudryavchik
    43833 1574
    Ferrari Ferrari 812 Superfast 12/15/21 8:04 PM
    Topspeed
    42601 533
    Porsche GT4RS 1/16/22 7:12 AM
    the-missile
    41701 731
    BMW M BMW M2 Rumors 7/7/21 8:38 PM
    Jim_in_Iowa
    31806 394
    Ferrari 488 Replacement 4/17/21 8:28 PM
    Rossi
    28472 370
    Lambo Urus (SUV) 7/21/21 6:22 PM
    Topspeed
    27640 592
    246 items found, displaying 1 to 30.