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    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    The 992 will be always faster than the 991.2 but if we try to define "better", we are going to have a problem because many people have different opinions about what the word "better" means in that regard.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Will be interesting to learn which PDK box they use for 992GT3.

    Seems illogical for Porsche to use the 992S' heavier PDK box which is engineered for future hybridization and elevated torque stresses.

    Also would guess Speedster's lighter exhaust system may be used (or at least offered as an option).


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    If the same improvements in handling from the 991CS to the 992CS carry over to the 992GT3 then I wager it's going to be extremely effective at the track because of its increased stability and confidence, and since the engine is still NA I don't see it suffering the same lack of sporty character than the 992CS save for the bit more muted sound from the particle filter but on the other hand the ITB may give it the same throttle feel everyone is raving about in the Speedster. I'm fairly optimistic about the 992GT3/RS myself, more so than any other model in the lineup.


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    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Dynamics:

    Also would guess Speedster's lighter exhaust system may be used (or at least offered as an option).

    It will be standard in all markets, except in the US the particle filters will be replaced with an inexpensive mesh that emulates the flow and backpressure of the filters.  Maybe even slightly lighter than the filters...

    From what I hear, removal of this mesh will not result in additional power as the ECU has been tuned to work with the specific characteristics of the filters (or mesh).


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    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Rear diffuser under the car is much deeper.  Supports for the rear wing can’t end up looking like that - wonder if it’s active (changes its angle while driving)?

     

     

     

     


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    That cannot be real? Did they manage to ruin even more the rear of the 992?


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    The rear is full of plastic camo, that's why it looks so fat. Rear spoiler is also "under construction", but imo it will be RSR like, which is good and much more effective. 


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    even if there is camo (not much angry), this thing looks huge, it will be as wide as the previous 991.2 RS but with a small wing with active aero...hope the combination works!


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    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    the-missile:

    even if there is camo (not much angry), this thing looks huge, it will be as wide as the previous 991.2 RS but with a small wing with active aero...hope the combination works!

    The rear wing will keep this design idea, right?


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Boyko23:
    the-missile:

    even if there is camo (not much angry), this thing looks huge, it will be as wide as the previous 991.2 RS but with a small wing with active aero...hope the combination works!

    The rear wing will keep this design idea, right?

    swang style, yes.


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    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    the-missile:

    even if there is camo (not much angry), this thing looks huge, it will be as wide as the previous 991.2 RS but with a small wing with active aero...hope the combination works!

    I don't think the width of this mule is any different to any 992, which is equal to 991 widebody (non-Turbo/GT2).Smiley


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    1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3  / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    The front part is almost as wide. And these terrible 21inches wheels at the rear will not help for the perception of a small wing. 


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    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Don't worry, guys...they will sell each and every one they will make. indecision


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    No doubt, GTx are really good cars, I am patiently waiting for the 3RS smiley


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    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Anyone else notice the discs dont look cross drilled they look like maybe j hooks or something


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    jamesdamanuk1:

    Anyone else notice the discs dont look cross drilled they look like maybe j hooks or something

    Interesting . Would be good not to have constantly cracked disks anymore . 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Im with Carlo & Grant. My understanding of the car is that it will be a proper generaltional move forward in performance over the 991 generation GT3. 

    My experience owning both generation 991 GT3 is that the facelift version was only a evlolutionary movement forward. perhaps 0.5s per  lap for 1 minute length track (PDK vs PDK etc on teh same tyres).

    What do we know about the 992 GT3?

    We know that the track will be just over 40mm wider at the front and the rear vs the 991 GT3. This makes the car as wide as the 991 GT3RS.

    Furthermore we know that the rear tyre patch will be around 13% larger i the move from 20-21". This means more mechanical grip. The tyre will still remian 305 width without doubt.

    So with a wider front track we have more cornering ability and with a larger rear tyre patch we have more traction under load. 

    Michelin and others will have a new N2 version of the Cup2 for this car. Watch alos Goodyear with their Supersport F1 range and Dunlop are making big improvements too.

    The dampers will be updated as per the 992 generation in general. They will likely have higher resolution and smarter PASM. The main springs may be a little stiffer with keeper springs for compliance on the road. AP said so for 991.2 but its not true. there are no keeper springs on my 991.2

    For the engine it has already been announced and shown. A key Porsche executive has already stated at the Speester launch this will be the next GT3 engine. It will have 6 x ITM and GPF (luckily not ofr markets such as New Zealand and USA we hope). We have been lead to believe there may be a fractional increase in cpacity by less than 100cc (something to follow the motorsports engine development for 2020).

    Power we can see 520PS and 346lbft. The GT3 will have ram intakes that the speedster cannot.

    The wheel design is changed. We already see the deisgn in the 718 GT4 announced last week. It is teh same but forged and 20/21 for the 992 GT3...

    We have been told by interviews in the press that the PDK will remian the 7 speed unit (one assumes weight, reliability and packaging).

    Unfortunately the brakes appear they will remain the same generation as before. Brembo fixed bridge. PCCB Gen 3. 380/380 steel and 410/390 Ceramic. No dount the CL mechanisms will remian the same as before.

    We know the good will have the retro creases like the 992 Carrera and before the 991 GT3RS. 

    We understand the body will have more alluminium such as the rear quarter panels (currently steel).

    Of course the interior changes alot. A new sports seat is available. It would be nice if a new bucket seat design is also avilable (both fixed and folding).

    The biggest advancement for the 992 GT3 over the 991 GT3 will be the track, suspension, tyres, chassis and tuning followed by the aero. The aero will have improved downforce by at least 20% over the 991.2 GT3. The power increase will make a small difference, mainly the tuning of the torque to fill out the mid range even further.

    Everything above we know is most likely, some definate and some of very high probability. The car will be wider, more agressive looking with many of the mechanical advantages already found in the 991.2 GT3RS by virtue of the increased width, tyre patch, aero, suspension and power/torque increases.

    The only thing that will change in the wrong direction is the weight and price, which is likely to be perhaps 20-30kg heavier and perhaps 5-8% more expensive than 991.2 GT3.

    Its been indicated the car will have a MT option and there is no reason to suggest not.

    So for me the 992 GT3 is very exciting. From 991.1 to 991.2 GT3 I am not so excited. It feels, smells and looks very much teh same as before - there are improvements but they are subtle (apart from the engine architecture which is indeed improved in the gen 2 car). 

    The 992 will look different both inside and out and it will perform much better on the track. I would expect to see a more noticeable improvement than between generations for 991. Expect to see a Ring time at 7.00-7.05 with the Cup2 styel tyres (not the Cup2 R tyres that leped the 991 GT3RS go below 7.00 mins).

    I have ordered this car and believe it will be announced at Geneva in March next year (2020) for delivery before the end of 2020. I hope to have mine delivered in Europe and do another road trip. I have strong conviction for this car based on what Ive seen, read and also been told in person by a supplier to the GT program.

    Im not sure why there is confusion on this subject. To me the formular is clear and already communicated. The Mules are well developed now and have been testing a long time. Next we will see the hot weather testing later this year then the final settings tweaks bfore the car brakes cover in 8 months time...


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    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Good stuff, Mark!  I’m on the list for factory delivery of one of these too wink


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Congrats to you two! wink


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Carlos from Spain:

    Congrats to you two! wink

    Smiley Factory delivery is always great. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Thanks devil  Not definitely going to happen, but makes the wait more interesting...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Porsche and Manthey have been testing a new 911 RSR at Spa... 

    ...turn up the volume! Smiley

    Video Link:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3jetBB35RY

    Smiley


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Can’t wait to get my 992 GT3 cab and 992 GT3RS!


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    Tesla Model S P100D & Model X P90D & 2016 BMW i8 & 2017 Sept 991.2 GT3 ordered. 2020 Porsche Mission E on order


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Porsche 992 GT3 mule sounds great with that 4.0 litre naturally-aspirated flat-six... Smiley

    ...hopefully the final version of the rear wing is a bit more elegant... Smiley

    Video Link:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjs4jdEBD5M

    Smiley


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    EnglishManInNY:

    Can’t wait to get my 992 GT3 cab and 992 GT3RS!

    So you are getting the next speedster?  Congratulations! Smiley


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    No. Waiting for the 992. The speedster is paying for my engine!


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    Tesla Model S P100D & Model X P90D & 2016 BMW i8 & 2017 Sept 991.2 GT3 ordered. 2020 Porsche Mission E on order


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    EnglishManInNY:

    Can’t wait to get my 992 GT3 cab and 992 GT3RS!

    Funny: My wife badly wanted the new 992 GT3 Cab but was pretty disappointed when she heard that this car very likely won't have a rear wing. Since I have my Performante, she kind of grew fond of rear wings. Smiley Now she is thinking about the 992 GTS Cab or maybe even the 992 Turbo S Cab (since it has a wing Smiley). Women... A couple of years ago, she was raving how ugly those wings are on Porsche GT models. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    Perhaps she is having a mid life crisis.

    Watch out RC!   angry


    Re: 992 GT3 Touring...

    DJM48:

    Perhaps she is having a mid life crisis.

    Watch out RC!   angry

    My wife has no time for a midlife crisis, she works over 40 hours per week and does at least 2-3 hours of sports per day(!). Smiley She is very ambitious in sports (she is the best tennis player in her club), I guess this is where her midlife crisis manifests when she basically "destroys" her opponents. Smiley 

    I am actually waiting for mine, most of the men in my circle of friends/acquaintances either bought a Harley or got a girl friend and divorced. Smiley Some seem to have certain "performance" issues because the midlife crisis puts them under pressure in their job and family (I am their Viagra/etc. supplier, so I know Smiley), so far I am happy I didn't experience anything of that. Smiley

    I always loved sports cars, so this is definitely not part of a possible midlife crisis but I am way too occupied to have time for one and right now, I am happy with everything as it is, no complaints. Oh well...a little bit more money would never hurt. Smiley Smiley


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