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Jan 24, 2007 9:56:28 AM
- easy_rider911
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Re: At night in the snow, pics
How are the winter tyres Gnil? Hope they're fine. 
For winter/snow use, wouldn't you agree that a C2S with winter tyres is good enough?
Or do you still feel that a C4S with winter tyres is the only proper solution in snow and ice?
I'm interested to know your point of view.
BTW, nice snow photos. It snowed here in London overnight for the first time in 2-3 years. 
I had forgotten what it looks like! 
I'm looking out of the window and everything is covered in white. 
Really picturesque. 
Thank goodness the roads are clear. We're crazy, we still use summer tyres in these kind of conditions just because the snow hasn't settled on the roads. 
Here in London, it snows so rarely that it just isn't worth getting winter tyres.
It snows maybe once in 3 years and the snows usually lasts 2 days. Not like where you live.
But, if it snows again and the snow actually settles on the roads, I'm just not going to drive. Simple as that. Driving on snowy roads with summer tyres would be suicidal.
Thanks again for the pics. Enjoy that snow!
For winter/snow use, wouldn't you agree that a C2S with winter tyres is good enough?
Or do you still feel that a C4S with winter tyres is the only proper solution in snow and ice?I'm interested to know your point of view.
BTW, nice snow photos.
It snowed here in London overnight for the first time in 2-3 years. I had forgotten what it looks like! I'm looking out of the window and everything is covered in white. Really picturesque. Thank goodness the roads are clear. We're crazy, we still use summer tyres in these kind of conditions just because the snow hasn't settled on the roads. Here in London, it snows so rarely that it just isn't worth getting winter tyres.
It snows maybe once in 3 years and the snows usually lasts 2 days. Not like where you live.But, if it snows again and the snow actually settles on the roads, I'm just not going to drive. Simple as that. Driving on snowy roads with summer tyres would be suicidal.
Thanks again for the pics. Enjoy that snow!
Jan 24, 2007 10:04:23 AM
- Alex_997TT
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Re: At night in the snow, pics
Yup, snow here last night too.
No way am I taking the Porsche out though in these conditions! It's not my car I am worried about, it's the other road going drivers that you've got to watch out for!
Sitting looking out of my office window at home I have seen 2 crashes already today just on my little street!
No way am I taking the Porsche out though in these conditions! It's not my car I am worried about, it's the other road going drivers that you've got to watch out for!
Sitting looking out of my office window at home I have seen 2 crashes already today just on my little street!
Jan 24, 2007 10:07:40 AM
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Re: At night in the snow, pics
Here it is the first time it snowed down to the plain this winter ( I am on lake Geneva).. The snow will not last around my area, but a 30 min drive takes me to the hills and the mountains where there is now lots of snow.
Yea.. looks pretty pittoresque here too.
The C2S might be good enough on snow, but not the best choice. With good winter tyres you would get around in snow, but the driving would have to be much more careful then with the AWD. When I loose the back on the snow with my C4S, I can really feel the front starting to pull me back which I appreciate on these very slippery conditions. On the highway, last night I could drive at 100 km/h on the snow , taking most people over and not worrying about the stability of the car. It was very well planted. I would not be that confident with the C2S... I would just have to drive slower , but would get by.
In your position I guess I would also not get winter tyres..but would not drive my car on snow with summer tyres, under NO circumstances!
Yea.. looks pretty pittoresque here too.
The C2S might be good enough on snow, but not the best choice. With good winter tyres you would get around in snow, but the driving would have to be much more careful then with the AWD. When I loose the back on the snow with my C4S, I can really feel the front starting to pull me back which I appreciate on these very slippery conditions. On the highway, last night I could drive at 100 km/h on the snow , taking most people over and not worrying about the stability of the car. It was very well planted. I would not be that confident with the C2S... I would just have to drive slower , but would get by.
In your position I guess I would also not get winter tyres..but would not drive my car on snow with summer tyres, under NO circumstances!
Jan 24, 2007 10:08:41 AM
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Re: At night in the snow, pics
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Alex (UK) said:
Yup, snow here last night too.
No way am I taking the Porsche out though in these conditions! It's not my car I am worried about, it's the other road going drivers that you've got to watch out for!
Sitting looking out of my office window at home I have seen 2 crashes already today just on my little street!
I bet they are on summer tyres
Jan 24, 2007 10:21:55 AM
- Alex_997TT
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Re: At night in the snow, pics
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Gnil said:Quote:
Alex (UK) said:
Yup, snow here last night too.
No way am I taking the Porsche out though in these conditions! It's not my car I am worried about, it's the other road going drivers that you've got to watch out for!
Sitting looking out of my office window at home I have seen 2 crashes already today just on my little street!
I bet they are on summer tyres
One was a rear wheel drive BMW 1 series which turned the (gentle) corner in front of me and kept going straight right into a parked van. Bang!!
Pretty sure that the BMW had summer tyres on, can't comment on the state of the tyres of the parked van though
Jan 24, 2007 10:26:38 AM
- Alex_997TT
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Re: At night in the snow, pics
Just as a relevant point of interest; I was at my OPC last weekend chatting to one of the head workshop engineers. He mentioned that summer tyres lose their grip around 7 degrees centigrade. Anything lower than this you should really have a set of winter tyres on.
Jan 24, 2007 10:35:02 AM
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Re: At night in the snow, pics
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Alex (UK) said:
Just as a relevant point of interest; I was at my OPC last weekend chatting to one of the head workshop engineers. He mentioned that summer tyres lose their grip around 7 degrees centigrade. Anything lower than this you should really have a set of winter tyres on.
I notice on roundabouts, when dry roads, butr temperature around 5 degrees... I have much more grip with my winter tyres, with the summer ones I do generally loose adherence.
Re: At night in the snow, pics
great photographs....id have no reservations about driving my p-car in the snow as long as it wasnt functioning as a snow plow..except..for all the other local lunatics who are and or on their cel phones , too old too young to horny or to inexperienced to be driving in snow, ice or many times even in clear weather... trying to get over it and do more daily tt driving
Re: At night in the snow, pics
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mikigta said:
Great! no snow here in Italy
Neither in my area, snowfalls predicted for upcoming weekend though.
Depending on the specific layout of the wintertire performance and safety is improved on dry, wet and especially snowy & icy conditions. I wouldn't want to hit a patch of ice on the road. A winter tire should be mandatory just as ESP on a modern car, not from a compulsory aspect but from a personal demand for safety.
Re: At night in the snow, pics
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mikigta said:
Great! no snow here in Italy
Neither in my area, snowfalls predicted for upcoming weekend though.
Depending on the specific layout of the wintertire performance and safety is improved on dry, wet and especially snowy & icy conditions. I wouldn't want to hit a patch of ice on the road. A winter tire should be mandatory just as ESP on a modern car, not from a compulsory aspect but from a personal demand for safety.
I take winter tyres over ESP any time
(in fact often you are better off with ESP off on the snow...surely for the fun). Here winter tyres are obligatory in the way that not having them means big trouble with insurance companies in case of an accident.
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