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May 20, 2006 8:28:15 AM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003

New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

Cayman:
- new 2.7 liter engine: it will be put on the normal "Cayman" version and will have a 245hp power output. Start of production within July 2006.
- no updates for the 3.4 liter version.

Boxster:
- as for the Cayman, the 2.7 liter version will have an increased power output: 245hp instead of the current 240hp version. Start of production within June 2006.
- the Boxster "S" will get a new 3.4 liter / 295hp engine: the same from the Cayman S. The 3.2 liter version will not be produced anymore. Start of production within July 2006.

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May 20, 2006 9:20:18 AM

BangoO: Pilot; Loc: France , France; Posts: 366, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 22, 2006; Reply to: andrea

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

How sure is that ? 100% ?

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May 20, 2006 9:38:56 AM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: BangoO

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

yes, in Italy this info is confirmed by Porsche Italia

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May 20, 2006 10:21:11 AM

GR: Senior; Loc: S Bucks, England , United Kingdom; Posts: 779, Gallery; Registered on: May 17, 2005; Reply to: andrea

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

What about prices?

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May 20, 2006 10:24:07 AM

harryo2b: Senior; Loc: Formerly Bitburg...Land of Bier, now Oklahoma home of the twister. , United States; Posts: 664, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2003; Reply to: andrea

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

Any info on pricing then? Just curious.

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May 20, 2006 11:39:05 AM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: harryo2b

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

not yet

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May 20, 2006 12:28:24 PM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: andrea

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

RC,can you confirm it???

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May 20, 2006 12:44:04 PM

TerrierT: Newbie; Loc: England; Posts: 2, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 20, 2006; Reply to: andrea

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

Still can't believe this is true. The 3.4Litre engine is Porsche UK's biggest excuse for the Pounds5k Price differential between the Boxster S and the Cayman S.

I'm currently debating which of the two models to go for. I was edging in favour of the Cayman S but if the Boxster S is to be fitted with the 3.4 litre engine, I think I'll save myself five grand!

D

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May 20, 2006 12:56:46 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8801, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: TerrierT

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

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TerrierT said:
I'm currently debating which of the two models to go for.
D

Welcome to the Rennteam family

Your choice should be based on whether you want an open top sports car or a coupe version of the same car with marginally better performance and handling.

And of course whether you can live with the stigma, even more than with the Boxster, that you really wanted a 997 but life didn't quite turn out as planned.

However. there is always the possibility you may end up waiting a long time for the 3.4 engine to go in the Boxster.

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May 20, 2006 1:20:59 PM

BangoO: Pilot; Loc: France , France; Posts: 366, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 22, 2006; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

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dreamcar said:
And of course whether you can live with the stigma, even more than with the Boxster, that you really wanted a 997 but life didn't quite turn out as planned.

Jeremy Clarkson ?

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May 20, 2006 2:18:26 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8801, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: BangoO

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

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BangoO said:
Jeremy Clarkson ?

Yes, but for once I agree with him.

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May 20, 2006 6:01:48 PM

trk2005: Newbie; Loc: Germany; Posts: 19, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 17, 2005; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

3.4 - it is true! (just got the Info here at a Munich Porsche Centre)

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May 20, 2006 6:06:29 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8801, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: TerrierT

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

Quote:
TerrierT said:
I'm currently debating which of the two models to go for. I was edging in favour of the Cayman S but if the Boxster S is to be fitted with the 3.4 litre engine, I think I'll save myself five grand!
D

If and when it happens you won't save five grand. Boxster S will suffer a significant price increase with that engine, and you would end up with both cars being priced at more or less the same level.

Unless, of course Porsche lowers the price of the Cayman instead. Pigs fueled and ready for take-off.

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May 20, 2006 6:44:29 PM

wtsnet: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Bath, UK; Posts: 2430, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 19, 2004; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

Yup, I reckon that the obvious thing to do would be to hike the price of the 3.4 Boxsters. Wonder how that will affecte the residuals of the 3.2's? (Not that it's important in the grand scheme of things!)

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May 20, 2006 9:43:38 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: wtsnet

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

No chance they will lower the Cayman price with the USD loosing as much as it has (in the US)... As mentionned in another thread, with Porsche currency hedge slowly going away, prices will increase at a faster pace.

The Boxster S will be the same price as the Cayman with the same engine, what a bargain, and Porsche put themselves in another marketing hole, who in their right mind would buy the Caymannow that the weak performance argument is gone?

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May 21, 2006 7:39:50 AM

Louis: Pilot; Loc: Toronto , Canada; Posts: 409, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 28, 2005; Reply to: andrea

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

This should be very interesting... How is Porsche going to pull this off; they have tried to market the Cayman S from day one as being a totally different model from the Boxster. Now it makes more sense from a production and efficiency standpoint to NOT have both a 3.2 and a 3.4 L engine - more profit potential with doing away with one of them and doubling the production of the other. How about from a marketing point of view. I'm interested to see what happens. For sure the price of the Boxster S will have to change to reflect this. My wild hunch is that the Cayman S for 07 may have a few more performance options as standard (??) and it's price may go up a little to still attempt to differentiate it from the Boxster S. There is NO WAY that they'll end up with the same engines AND the same price - Porsche will do something to differentiate them again besides just soft top vs. fixed hard top. PASM as standard as in the Carrera S perhaps

On the same line of thinking will Porsche do away with the 3.6 L engine and just produce the Carrera with the 3.8 L engine? This would be my next guess if the 3.4L rumour for the Boxster S turns out to be true

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May 21, 2006 8:23:30 AM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8801, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

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SciFrog said:
The Boxster S will be the same price as the Cayman with the same engine, what a bargain, and Porsche put themselves in another marketing hole, who in their right mind would buy the Cayman now that the weak performance argument is gone?

Customers who want the Boxster's mid engine handling prowess but prefer a coupe to a roadster, surely? Not everyone wants a soft top. And that's as it should have been all along, without the ridiculous price difference.

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May 21, 2006 10:15:59 AM

JZ: Pilot; Loc: London, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 370, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

This isn't Porsches finest moment. A 5hp hike in the 2.7 won't hurt it too much (who can really spot 5 hp??) but I feel current or prosepctive 3.2 S customers would have a valid gripe with Porsche. This is a significant change, and with the traditional Porsche lead times from ordering to delivery, 3.2S Boxsters will still be delivered weeks before the frist 3.4 rolls of the line in Finland. This can only be bad for residuals for the 3.2. Who still wanted the 2.5 after the new 2.7 arrived?

The Cayman has not sold as well as Porsche AG was expecting. I can't see how adding spec would be a sensible move....you look to alienate 911 Carerra owners if you start adding bi xenon, PASM etc as per Carerra S.

I still think a 996 GT3 is a better buy for that price. I know thats the way I;ll go when a change is afoot. At least Porsche is consistent with the 911. This mucking about with the Boxster and Cayman models, all in the name of marketing is really starting to pi$$ me off. And I have a 987 2.7 with a good spec, so I don't count myself on being hit too badly with this decision.

Saying that, a 295bhp Boxster with Variocam as per the Cayman would be a very tasty prospect indeed....but at the right price.

Cheers,

JZ

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May 21, 2006 11:35:27 AM

KF: Expert; Loc:; Posts: 1713, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 23, 2004; Reply to: JZ

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

IMO Porsche will lift up the price of the Boxster S to the level of the cayman S to support the Cayman.

In Germany you can buy Caymans with a discount of 10%!

How? I also think that Porsche will reduce the price of the Cayman S.

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May 21, 2006 12:42:31 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: JZ

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

Maybe PAG raises the price of the Cayman S along with a small HP increase. In that case they might eventually drop the 997 base Carrera...
Very interesting to see what is about to happen in the house of Porsche!

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May 21, 2006 12:52:31 PM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: Gauss

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

Wow!!! great job for porsche marketing this time on Cayman....ahahahaha
10% discount......
only in the USA there are cayman

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May 21, 2006 1:09:20 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: andrea

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

I tend to disagree, here in Luxembourg, the Cayman sells well...but it's also a small country

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May 21, 2006 2:16:58 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Gauss

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

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Gauss said:
Maybe PAG raises the price of the Cayman S along with a small HP increase. In that case they might eventually drop the 997 base Carrera...
Very interesting to see what is about to happen in the house of Porsche!

They will raise the price of all the 997 at some point also to preserve the line up. But they won't raise the Cayman price significantly as it should be priced less than a Boxster S already... It is only a matter of time before the novelty of the Cayman wears off and with price equal or higher than the Boxster S (with the same engine as rumored), becomes marginal in sales.

Not bad though for Porsche if they can pull this off for a couple of years though, marketing the Cayman as a new product. Once comes times to line up prices correctly, they can just say they recouped developpement costs, or they can say the can reduce the Cayman costs because they managed to share more parts with the Boxster

Genius.

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May 21, 2006 3:58:13 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

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SciFrog said:
Quote:
Gauss said:
Maybe PAG raises the price of the Cayman S along with a small HP increase. In that case they might eventually drop the 997 base Carrera...
Very interesting to see what is about to happen in the house of Porsche!

They will raise the price of all the 997 at some point also to preserve the line up. But they won't raise the Cayman price significantly as it should be priced less than a Boxster S already... It is only a matter of time before the novelty of the Cayman wears off and with price equal or higher than the Boxster S (with the same engine as rumored), becomes marginal in sales.

Not bad though for Porsche if they can pull this off for a couple of years though, marketing the Cayman as a new product. Once comes times to line up prices correctly, they can just say they recouped developpement costs, or they can say the can reduce the Cayman costs because they managed to share more parts with the Boxster Genius.

I agree, good points!

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May 22, 2006 6:38:31 AM

Moogle: Rennteam Master; Loc: Bay Area , United States; Posts: 5019, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 9, 2003; Reply to: Gauss

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

This is going to annoy (to say the least) alot of people, for various reasons.

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May 22, 2006 4:21:04 PM

KMM: Expert; Loc: Boston, MA , United States; Posts: 1745, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 5, 2004; Reply to: Moogle

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I don't think so. My guess is that there will be a price increase to go along with the added power, which should keep previous buyers happy.

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May 22, 2006 4:25:08 PM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: KMM

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

price increase 1,5% confirmed

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May 22, 2006 6:05:59 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: andrea

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

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andrea said:
price increase 1,5% confirmed

for which models exactly?

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May 22, 2006 7:42:34 PM

dr.j: Pilot; Loc: US , United States; Posts: 375, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 10, 2006; Reply to: Gauss

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

A 1.5% increase on USA Boxster S pricing would be an approx starting price of $55,500, up from $54,700. 1.5% seeems a little small coming from Porsche for an extra 15 hp, but might be an amount that wouldn't ruffle too many feathers.

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May 22, 2006 8:07:15 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8801, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: dr.j

Re: New engine for 987 - 2.7 245hp & 3.4 295hp

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dr.j said:
1.5% seeems a little small coming from Porsche for an extra 15 hp

If Porsche put the price up more than 1.5% at least we now know who to blame....

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