Motor Trend 430 vs Ford GT
Gary
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tdf360 said:
June issue has comparo. With 550 hp, the GT is a bit quicker, but not by much, the difference is 0.1 to 60 (3.7 for the 430, 3.6 for the GT) and half a second to 100. A quote: "The Ferrari feels more special...the Ford returns to Michigan with its head held high - but without an overall victory."
Gary
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MKW said:
Ferrari people pushed a few buttons in special sequence in the car to activate a secret speed algorithm
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tdf360 said:
But really, the 430 (and any Ferrari) isn't about 1/4 times, although they are interesting. The whole Ferrari experience is just so much more visceral than anything Ford has to offer, even Motor Trend "gets it".
Gary
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MKW said:
Ferrari people pushed a few buttons in special sequence in the car to activate a secret speed algorithm
I would call it a special "launch" algorithm, and yes, I would assume it will be "outed" sooner rather than later. But really, the 430 (and any Ferrari) isn't about 1/4 times, although they are interesting. The whole Ferrari experience is just so much more visceral than anything Ford has to offer, even Motor Trend "gets it".
Gary
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tdf360 said:Quote:
MKW said:
Ferrari people pushed a few buttons in special sequence in the car to activate a secret speed algorithm
I would call it a special "launch" algorithm, and yes, I would assume it will be "outed" sooner rather than later. But really, the 430 (and any Ferrari) isn't about 1/4 times, although they are interesting. The whole Ferrari experience is just so much more visceral than anything Ford has to offer, even Motor Trend "gets it".
Gary
I am assuming the launch sequence algorithm was necessitated because of the lack of launch function on a US car. All I can say, based on all the reviews, this is one hell of a car.
My car lands on US soil Thursday.
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Doubt US cars will get close to either of these two times w/o LC.
All that really matters to me is how the car performs from, say, 40 to 140 or so. Could care less about launch control or 0-60.
Gary
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nberry said:Quote:
tdf360 said:Quote:
MKW said:
Ferrari people pushed a few buttons in special sequence in the car to activate a secret speed algorithm
I would call it a special "launch" algorithm, and yes, I would assume it will be "outed" sooner rather than later. But really, the 430 (and any Ferrari) isn't about 1/4 times, although they are interesting. The whole Ferrari experience is just so much more visceral than anything Ford has to offer, even Motor Trend "gets it".
Gary
I am assuming the launch sequence algorithm was necessitated because of the lack of launch function on a US car. All I can say, based on all the reviews, this is one hell of a car.
My car lands on US soil Thursday.
What the test driver did to the LC programming was :
"... a series of button pushes and shift-paddle manipulations that wouldn't occur by accident in normal driving . When it's set up, the car is in first gear with the clutch engaged and spinning . Holding the car in place with the brakes , the driver shoots the revs up to 4000 rpm and releases the brake pedal. Rather than spinning the tires, the clutch spins down to 4000 rpm until it locks up at the top of first gear for a launch that would be as smooth and quick as those you see on a Formula 1 grid ... it chops 0.3 secs from every measured speed ...", chopping qtr mile from 12.0 to 11.7 secs and incr qtr mile speed from 120 to 123 mph , normal vs. unapproved modded LC programming.
The comparo was done in Europe where this particular Italian plated F430 had LC .Correct me if I'm wrong, but US cars don't get LC , so sorry , Nick ! Doubt US cars will get close to either of these two times w/o LC.
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Crash said:
So, were the 12-second 0-200 kph runs achieved with the LC on or off?
Okay then. So I can correctly surmise that the F430 is in fact no faster than the 996TTS when not using the LC. Ferrari should do better.
i believe they were utilizing LC for those times. iow, those times are not available on US cars.
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Crash said:
So, were the 12-second 0-200 kph runs achieved with the LC on or off?
Okay then. So I can correctly surmise that the F430 is in fact no faster than the 996TTS when not using the LC. Ferrari should do better.
i believe they were utilizing LC for those times. iow, those times are not available on US cars.
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tdf360 said:
I really don't get all the emphasis on LC. The performance is there, how many of us do full-on launches from a stop? LC is nice for magazine write-ups to compare to other cars, but who would use it in the real world? From a rolling start the 430 is awesomely explosive, let the whole LC thing just die.
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tdf360 said:
I really don't get all the emphasis on LC. The performance is there, how many of us do full-on launches from a stop? LC is nice for magazine write-ups to compare to other cars, but who would use it in the real world? From a rolling start the 430 is awesomely explosive, let the whole LC thing just die.
Apr 27, 2005 5:02:31 PM
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MKW said: why isn't there a standardized 100-200 kph ( or 60 -125 mph ) from a steady speed /drop the throttle in the best gear " highway acceleration " test for all these higher end cars ? It would make more sense and is more real world, than numbers that start form a dead stop be they to 100 or 200 kph or qtr mile , where cars of similar highway acceleration are variously hampered off the line depending on gearing , tire specs, drive configuration , traction of the particular dragstrip that moment, etc ?
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Crash said:
Okay then. So I can correctly surmise that the F430 is in fact no faster than the 996TTS when not using the LC. Ferrari should do better.