Aug 17, 2015 6:53:35 PM
JoeRockhead:I'd love to see the new GT3 RS time without the speed limits.
Yes, SportAuto should re-test now...
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I'm not sure if the press release mentioned that the speed limits are lifted from now: I think it looked like they will improve the security around the track and that it will be ready 2016.
My german is bad so I might have misunderstood it...
Gauss:According to this article
sorry, only in german
No, the speed limits are still in effect but they may (or may not) be lifted around 2016, depending on the construction measures planned to improve safety.
My bet is: I wouldn't bet on any speed limit lifting before 2017 or maybe late 2016.
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Koenigsegg One:1 crashes on the Nürburgring
"Koenigsegg has confirmed the One:1 has been involved in a crash and the driver was taken to a hospital per standard procedures. The driver was released a short time later so they appeared to have escaped the crash relatively unharmed.
The company went on to say it was testing the model in an attempt to set a Nürburgring lap record in the future and the "incident is confirmation of just how difficult it is to drive at this level on the world’s ultimate proving ground." Koenigsegg added, "Obviously we are dismayed with this development but pleased that our safety systems worked as designed to protect our driver."
Too bad! I have so much admiration what they have done with a small budget...
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It's a good thing the driver is ok.
But it also illustrate the point that Koenigsegg cars are just straight line machines, they still have much to learn about car handling. Power isn't everything.
They never ever raced in any series, car handling at a higher rate of speed is still a foreign concept. There is more to handling than simply to make the car do 180s at the end of runways.
Whoopsy:It's a good thing the driver is ok.
But it also illustrate the point that Koenigsegg cars are just straight line machines, they still have much to learn about car handling. Power isn't everything.
They never ever raced in any series, car handling at a higher rate of speed is still a foreign concept. There is more to handling than simply to make the car do 180s at the end of runways.
The fact a car crashed during tests illustrates it is a straight line machine? Funny logic... So if you would crash your GT4 CS on track, it's because it's a straight line machine?
I don't know if you've seen the video of a One:1 tearing up Spa, it looks very very capable to me, as proven by the laptimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wplfrYpox0
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Porker:Whoopsy:But it also illustrate the point that Koenigsegg cars are just straight line machines, they still have much to learn about car handling. Power isn't everything.
The fact a car crashed during tests illustrates it is a straight line machine?
+1
I also fail to how such a general conclusion can be drawn from one specific accident
There is a vast number of factors which could contribute to such an accident. It could simply be a driver mistake or inexperience, technical failure, etc.
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Then again, following the above logic it would appear that the 918 should be driven in a straight line too
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Would have been interesting to see him coming up the Fox hole: I guess something went bad after the compression which forced him to take the fast lefthander too fast and slam the brakes as early as possible.
Some video after the fact;
Porker:Whoopsy:It's a good thing the driver is ok.
But it also illustrate the point that Koenigsegg cars are just straight line machines, they still have much to learn about car handling. Power isn't everything.
They never ever raced in any series, car handling at a higher rate of speed is still a foreign concept. There is more to handling than simply to make the car do 180s at the end of runways.
The fact a car crashed during tests illustrates it is a straight line machine? Funny logic... So if you would crash your GT4 CS on track, it's because it's a straight line machine?
I don't know if you've seen the video of a One:1 tearing up Spa, it looks very very capable to me, as proven by the laptimes.
I know how it did in Spa. But the Ring is a whole different track than Spa. It is much more demanding, with all the elevation changes and compression and off camber stuff and not as smooth pavement.
The One:1 has more than excess power, it can gather immense speed in no time, that means it basically has to bled off spend in a hurry for turns or make the car sticks like crazy to go around them. From what I gathered, Koenigsegg has a very capable chief test driver, who also knows quite intimately about the performance of the One:1, which means it is likely not a driver's error, but the car's, for this crash.
I see 2 straight tire marks that starts from the far corner's apex, which means 2 wheels are locked up skidding straight for the barrier. Drivetrain seized up? Broken suspension at the other apex? Or the car's balance got upset by the other corner?
Koenigsegg's always have a reputation as a straight line machine, Christian tried to change that notion with the One:1, pushing it at race tracks to set lap records. I applaud him for that. But as a company they just doesn't have the racing experiences to tune handling yet. It takes more than just raw HP to go around the Ring fast. We routinely see some cars that goes faster than another with much more HP. The Ring is so much more than just make the corner and then blast down the straights, it is much more demand in the transition phase of a car, as 90% of the time on a Ring a car is driven in a changing state.
Some more 'insights' on the topic:
http://www.bridgetogantry.com/update-koenigsegg-one1-crash-at-foxhole/
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That whole braking/ABS thing isn't confirmed, just a rumor.
What isn't a rumor: The car is apparently not a factory car but a car belonging to an Asian national living in Germany. Car was registered in Germany. Koenigsegg apparently borrowed the car from him for the record lap they plan to achieve. What a shame. According to Koenigsegg, the damage is "only" 14%, so the car can be very likely rebuilt. I guess they need to say that because they owe the owner his car. Tragic...
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Whoopsy:I don't believe Koenisegg keep any cars, even the show cars at Geneva were pre-sold and 'borrowed' back for display.
I wonder how long it takes to rebuild that car...and how much it costs Koenigsegg. Not sure there is an insurance for such an accident, I think Koenigsegg is on their own here...
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Statement from Koenigsegg below. Kudos to them for being so open about the incident
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bluelines:Statement from Koenigsegg below. Kudos to them for being so open about the incident
They are? Where do they mention that they borrowed a customer car and wrecked it?
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RC:bluelines:Statement from Koenigsegg below. Kudos to them for being so open about the incident
They are? Where do they mention that they borrowed a customer car and wrecked it?
Who has confirmed this is a customer car? Even if it is, maybe the record attempt was the initiative from the customer? You don't know the background.
Having said that, I never saw such official statement from Porsche, Audi or any other brand for that matter. Hence kudos to them for being open about the incident and above all mentioning that the driver is fine, which is far more important than if this is a customer car or not.
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I just confirmed it.
When Walter Röhrl crashed his Carrera GT, there was a statement...directly from him.
Also why would car manufacturers issue statements about accidents of development prototypes if no third parties are involved?
That Koenigsegg wasn't a development prototype, it was an older car (2014?) borrowed from a customer from Germany, even had German license plates and a German registration (which was difficult to achieve because German registration papers allow only powers up to 999 kW).
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bluelines:Anyway, you have the right to your view and I let you have the last word
No, seriously, this is not about being right or not. The car was indeed borrowed from a customer and that guy isn't pleased.
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