Feb 8, 2005 10:29:55 AM
- Rich C (UK)
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Feb 8, 2005 10:29:55 AM
Feb 8, 2005 1:00:43 PM
Feb 8, 2005 5:02:58 PM
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Carlos from Spain said:
"poor mans 911"... I really really hate that term when refering to the Boxster, if someone says that in front of me you are going to get areally mean look from me to say the least
Thanks Rich Porsche did it again, the Boxster sets the standard for its class. I was expecting more improvement on the 987 Boxster over the 986 than the 997 over the 996, since the 986 was the first version of the model while the 997 has 40 years of evolution head start. Can't wait to see the coupe version as well
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nberry said:
You disagree with a British magazine? I thought it was your Bible so long as it agreed with your views.
BTW, isn't the Boxster designed to be the cheaper Porsche or poor mans 911? I thought that was the marketing segment for the car.
Feb 8, 2005 5:30:39 PM
Feb 8, 2005 7:52:06 PM
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No, "poor man's 911" is derogatory and snobish and does not decribe this car only describes the person who uses this term as ignorant or superficial about sportcars. Just becuase the pricetag is lower than the 911 doens't mean that its the substitute for the 911 when you can't afford one. Those that know a little about sportcars can tell that the Boxster is a different concept than the 911, and the fact that its more affordable is only one of its many differences. Is the F430, the poor man's F575M-GTC? ... nuff said
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nberry said:
You disagree with a British magazine? I thought it was your Bible so long as it agreed with your views.
BTW, isn't the Boxster designed to be the cheaper Porsche or poor mans 911? I thought that was the marketing segment for the car.
So by applying the same logic the F430 must be the poor mans Ferrari.
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brunner said:
It's the poor man's 911 because it shares parts with it? Ha. Never saw that coming.
Nick, there's a BIG difference between the two notions, 'cheaper Porsche' and 'poor man's 911'. The former is factually correct (it IS cheaper), but the latter is plain stupid and snobbish.
And what's wrong with having a cheaper alternative, anyway?
Feb 8, 2005 9:43:35 PM
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nberry said:
Does the 430 look like the 575M or 612? Now does the Boxster look like the 911? To refresh your memory, the front of the Boxster and 996 are identical from the door forward.It was designed to be the cheaper alternative. That cannot be disputed.
Also, are you aware that in the next couple of years the 911 and Boxster will share over 50% of their parts?
Now using your flawless logic, can you see the difference between your example and facts?
Feb 8, 2005 10:31:58 PM
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ISUK said:
Well said Carlos.
Nick,
You are living proof that the saying "has more money than sense" is based upon true fact. If you got off your high horse you'd see that my point that the F430 is a poor man's Ferrari was just as stupid as your comment about the Boxster being a poor man's 911. Maybe the ironic style was lost on you. As for you statement that the Boxster "was designed to be the cheaper alternative. That cannot be disputed" - what utter bs. Sorry but your views are not fact as you like to think. At no point has Porsche said anything other than cash restrictions during the design and launch of the 986 and 996 meant that as many components as possible had to be shared to maintain the financial stability and independence of the company. The sales figures of both cars certainly back up the fact that buyers didn't seem to mind the similarities. And Aston Martin seem to be doing just fine by having a range of 3 new cars - Vanquish, DB9 and V8 Vantage - that all look visually very similar to the average person in the street yet vary in price significantly.
If you do have some common sense you will stop your tired invective about Porsche and the people who choose to buy them. You don't like your Cayenne - fine. Sell it and move on. Stop acting like a spoilt kid and give up on trying to take the rise out of other people. We could return the favour on many aspects of your precious Ferrari's such as parts bin sharing of certain components over the years with other Fiat group cars and now with Maserati. We could point out that you rarely if ever see a high mileage Ferrari because they can't handle it without substantial engine rebuilds or suffering eye watering depreciation as a result. We could also point out manufacturing defects like the paint around the headlights on the early 360s melting due to excessive heat build up. The list could go on. But you know what, I don't care. If you want to buy a Ferrari go right ahead and most of us will be happy for you and will not come onto the Ferrari board and try to bait you for doing it because we're bored.
Have a nice day.
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JimFlat6 said:
The Boxster is a good car and a great sports car. You dont see anybody else building anything close to it at all. It simply has no real market competitor.
I think the Boxsters only major flaw is that it has no racing history. With no track victories it will never
achieve 911 cult status until it does. Its only legendary in the minds of its owners.
Even the Porsche 914 has a great history. Porsche should have gotten the Boxster into competition with the 986 launch. Maybe they have plans for the new Panamera Boxster Coupe to do that. lets hope so.
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ISUK said:
Well said Carlos.
Nick,
If you got off your high horse (...) was just as stupid as your comment about (...) what utter bs.
If you do have some common sense (...) Stop acting like a spoilt kid (...)
As I plowed through your rambling thoughts (...) how blind some Porsche enthusiast can be. (...) is tantamount to saying that the queen of England is a myth. (...) Why is that so offensive to you?
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ISUK said:
Well said Carlos.
Nick,
If you got off your high horse (...) was just as stupid as your comment about (...) what utter bs.
If you do have some common sense (...) Stop acting like a spoilt kid (...)
As I plowed through your rambling thoughts (...) how blind some Porsche enthusiast can be. (...) is tantamount to saying that the queen of England is a myth. (...) Why is that so offensive to you?
Ok guys. I may not be the knight of politically correct behaviour, so my words may not have that much weight...but please calm down. If nothing else you'll end up giving old RC a nervous breakdown
Nick, we all hear your argument and we understand your standpoint.
Some may agree, others not.
On a personal note, I'm not sure where you're going with this, or what point youre trying to prove - But please, understand that the vigor with which you repeatedly claim that the Boxster is "cheaper", "inferior" etc, can very easily be interpreted as a poorly disguised attempt to either flip people's switches or simply tell people in so many words that "your measely Boxster pales in comparison to my Ferrari".
As I said, I have no clue if that is even remotely on your agenda.
I only know you sometimes have a way of sounding very condescending and superior to others. I'm sure you're not, cuz why would anyone spend time on the Boxster board putting others down for the fun of it?
FWIW I'd love to be able to afford a 360 Spider like yours, but at 600,000$ here in DK I`m afraid it's out of my league..this year
I'm sure there are lots of less flattering details about the 360, and I'm sure it's cheaper than the Enzo...but I wouldnt spend time trying to convince you that your car is a rich man's FIAT, a poor man's Enzo or that it's "inferior" to the Enzo or 550 or any other car.
Hence it's equally tideous work for you to convince a Boxster owner that his car is a low-budget, 911-wannabe, entry-level poor man's car.
I'm pretty sure most car owners regardless of brand and model would take that as more than just a comment on the marketing of their specific car.
Any car in the Boxster+ price range, I believe is anything but "cheap", "junior" or a substitute for anything.
No matter if it wears a Ferrari or Porsche badge.
Just my 2 cents.
Please kiss and make up
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nberry said:
(...) However, I also know what Porsche wanted it to be and for someone to attack me for stating the obvious is nothing more than shooting the messenger.
Feb 9, 2005 10:09:23 AM
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skinnylad said:
Actually, the article doesn't say it's poor man's 911, it says it is more like a junior CGT. High praise, indeed. Why are you all getting so wound up? Read the article again and calm down!
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wtsnet said:
Is this the five minute arguement, or the full half hour? Can we just swap 'poor man' for 'man who is quite happy at this price-per-performance level', and stop going on about this?
Feb 9, 2005 8:21:48 PM