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At long last, M3 Touring!
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That is interesting news. Does that means there will be an m5 or m550i touring also ?
This is going to be bad news for Alpina.
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That is interesting news. Does that means there will be an m5 or m550i touring also ?
This is going to be bad news for Alpina.
Don't think so tbh, it's a different public and always been a different driving experience M and Alpina. B5 owners are not tempted by M5's either I think.
Besides, Alpina is under BMW ownership nowadays anyway.
1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3 / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport
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Are you thinking of getting one?
If it has the 4-series rabbit teeth in front, NOPE.
Considering a C63S-T or RS6 to replace the old C63 at some point though. Or an Alpina again, who knows...
1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3 / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport
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That is interesting news. Does that means there will be an m5 or m550i touring also ?
This is going to be bad news for Alpina.Don't think so tbh, it's a different public and always been a different driving experience M and Alpina. B5 owners are not tempted by M5's either I think.
Besides, Alpina is under BMW ownership nowadays anyway.
Are you sure? As far as I know, Alpina is still owned by the Bovensiepen family, BMW isn't even invested.
Rumors also indicate that they make more money with wine than with cars.
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That is interesting news. Does that means there will be an m5 or m550i touring also ?
This is going to be bad news for Alpina.Don't think so tbh, it's a different public and always been a different driving experience M and Alpina. B5 owners are not tempted by M5's either I think.
Besides, Alpina is under BMW ownership nowadays anyway.
Are you sure? As far as I know, Alpina is still owned by the Bovensiepen family, BMW isn't even invested.
Rumors also indicate that they make more money with wine than with cars.
I'm sure wine has more mainstream appleat than a niche tuned bmw
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That is interesting news. Does that means there will be an m5 or m550i touring also ?
This is going to be bad news for Alpina.Don't think so tbh, it's a different public and always been a different driving experience M and Alpina. B5 owners are not tempted by M5's either I think.
Besides, Alpina is under BMW ownership nowadays anyway.
Are you sure? As far as I know, Alpina is still owned by the Bovensiepen family, BMW isn't even invested.
Rumors also indicate that they make more money with wine than with cars.
https://www.christies.com/features/Wheels-and-wine-The-Alpina-story-10138-3.aspx
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That is interesting news. Does that means there will be an m5 or m550i touring also ?
This is going to be bad news for Alpina.Don't think so tbh, it's a different public and always been a different driving experience M and Alpina. B5 owners are not tempted by M5's either I think.
Besides, Alpina is under BMW ownership nowadays anyway.
Are you sure? As far as I know, Alpina is still owned by the Bovensiepen family, BMW isn't even invested.
Rumors also indicate that they make more money with wine than with cars.
Pretty sure, yes, it's sort of a Manthey/Porsche constellation these days if I'm not mistaken. Which explains why in recent years Alpina variants are developed simultaneously with BMW regular models, they have access to pre-production cars in order to release their cars early/immediately after the model's release.
That said, can't find an article to back me up...
1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3 / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport
One of my best friends works as an engineer for BMW (you may remember the camouflaged Z4 garage photo I posted, with his permission) and he told me that Alpina has a very good relationship to BMW but they are not involved in development at all. They get however access to early cars, whatever this means but I doubt they get access to prototypes, this would violate BMWs own policy.
I remember in the past, when I had some dealings with Techart, buying stuff from them, one of the vendors told me that they work hand in hand with Porsche. After a couple of years, I had the chance to talk to a couple of engineers at Weissach directly about Techart and they told me that the Exclusive department had some leather(!) work done at Techart and a few minor accessories for the interior but no development work.
You always need to be careful with these small tuners...oops...manufacturers. Look at RUF for example: Many years, I was told by RUF drivers that Alois Ruf was directly involved with Porsche development and that he had access to Weissach. This was BS. Alois Ruf was happy that he got granted the certification as an official Porsche workshop, it was a tough thing to achieve. Alois Ruf was always very honest about this but many RUF drivers seem to have spread false rumors.
Brabus and Mercedes, similar thing. At some point, Mercedes and Brabus came very close, even to a point where some official Mercedes dealerships in Germany were offering Brabus products and Brabus tuning in-house. Then, I guess, Mercedes realized that they already have an in-house "tuner"...AMG. Even now many believe that Brabus and Mercedes work closely together in development. They don't.
The only "tuner" who had an excellent relationship, including access to early development and other "critical" data was (is?)... ABT. ABT works very closely to Volkswagen and even Audi. They even have a warranty agreement. Not sure if the same is valid today but they certainly had really good access to VW development.
Manthey and Porsche? Yes, this is a thing. Also because Porsche actually owns Manthey (Racing).
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I think I read that Manual version will only be offered with RWD and the Automatic will have RWD or AWD options...
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I predict that the new grille will grow on people and it will become a defining styling feature for BMW sporty coupes.
However, judging from pictures the new grille blends very well with the optional M-sport exterior that makes the body fuller. On the contrary, It looks somewhat out of match with the standard body and the thinner wheels.
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The AWD will put the new M3/M4 ahead of the C63...until the next gen, which will get AWD as well.
A friend drove the new M8 Competition convertible lately (a rental) and he hated the sound but the car was comfortable and amazingly fast on the Autobahn.
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21 août 2020 16:31:03
It surprises me how bad the M5/8 sounds even compared to the 850 - the 850 engine sounds great a real V8 experience. My Vantage V8 is prob a bit more raw in sound but def not as powerful.
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