CloseDec 26, 2004 11:05:15 PM
Dec 27, 2004 3:11:46 AM
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shin said:
I find it hard to believe that the AMV8 is faster than a GT3, but you're too biased against it when you said it's a GT. It is NOT a GT. The DB9 is. The AMV8 is a pure sports car like a 911.
Dec 27, 2004 2:54:27 PM
Dec 27, 2004 3:54:24 PM
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Carlos from Spain said:
This is a rumor (a 7:51 lap time) likely spread by AM for publicity, there is no way a heavier, equally powered, softer setup'd, GT-car like the AMV8 is going to lap the ring any were near a GT3. If it reaches an 8:15 lap its already a good achievement for such a GT. And I'm not putting down the AMV8, its just that its not a car thats made for that purpose, its has its other strong points, just like a 996TT is not a bad car just because it can't lap the ring faster than a GT3 with less power.
Dec 27, 2004 3:56:13 PM
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danny828 said:But some enthusiasts have started to regard cars some traditional sports cars as GT's because of the incremental weight gained over the various model cycles.
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shin said:
I find it hard to believe that the AMV8 is faster than a GT3, but you're too biased against it when you said it's a GT. It is NOT a GT. The DB9 is. The AMV8 is a pure sports car like a 911.
Or you can be a crusader for balance and truth like me. 
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shin said:
But if the 911 is a Grand Tourer, that would make a 355, a 360 and a Gallardo (all 911's direct competitors) a GT, too, and only a Challenge Stradale, like a GT3, is a 'pure' sports car? I thought they're called 'lightweight' supercars.
I thought GTs are Ferrari 456 and 612, Bentley Continental GT, Mercedes SL, Aston Martin DB9, and the supposedly fourth model from Porsche.
Is it just me or do I have a point?
Dec 27, 2004 8:22:47 PM
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997C2S said:
Carlos, I just found out that the AMV8 weighs 1500kg, that's 40 more kgs more than the 997S. The AMV8 has 50-50 weight distribution; has a longer wheelbase than the 997S, and in overall length is shorter than the 997S; its also lower and wider than the 997S. It is rumored to produce 380, 400 or 410 hp, and 540NM of Torque, as opposed to 400NM of Torque by 997S. Looking at these figures, what makes you so sure that the lap time figures are bogus or fudged up? And lets talks about price, the base AMV8 will be 60K Sterling as opposed to 65K for the base 997S. If I was Porsche, I wouldn't waste time worrying, I would do something to rasie the hp in 997S to 400.
Dec 28, 2004 5:30:56 AM
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shin said:
I find it hard to believe that the AMV8 is faster than a GT3, but you're too biased against it when you said it's a GT. It is NOT a GT. The DB9 is. The AMV8 is a pure sports car like a 911.
You need to understand the way things work on this board. Any fast time around Holy Grail Ring can only be done by a Porsche. The rest of the cars are merely wannabee's who some how fudged their numbers to achieve the excellent result. Also, any car reviewer who finds another car better than Porsche does not know what he/she is talking about and must be immediately dismissed as being biased against Porsche.
Follow the above rules and you will do well on this board.
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JimFlat6 said:
Isn't the AM V8 supposed to be Astons sports car? I thought that was the plan with the DB9 to be the GT car in the line up.
The Vanquish is a very heavy cruiser and its 8.17 ring time was good considering its weight and design.
Its probable that a newer design small Aston, with less weight, 997ish dimensions and 400 hp or more, will lap the 'ring in less time than a older fat Vanquish or DB9.
Aston's obviously getting into the hunt for high end 911 customers with the AM V8. Porsche die hards liking that
idea is another matter. If the AM V8 delivers performance more than just country club looks, I am sure they will get 911 owners to cross cross shop it, especially if its priced only 10K more than a base 997S.
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nberry said:
That is their target market, 911 owners. According to the CEO, (interviewed when the baby AM was introduced) AM will differentiate themselves from the 911 in two important areas. First, the AM V8 gorgeous styling (as opposed to the form/function approach to Porsche) and second more importantly EXCLUSIVITY(he referenced the mass production of Porsche) . Performance alone, in his view ,would not be the determining factor in motivating a buyer to buy one over the other.
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nberry said:
That is their target market, 911 owners. According to the CEO, (interviewed when the baby AM was introduced) AM will differentiate themselves from the 911 in two important areas. First, the AM V8 gorgeous styling (as opposed to the form/function approach to Porsche) and second more importantly EXCLUSIVITY(he referenced the mass production of Porsche) . Performance alone, in his view ,would not be the determining factor in motivating a buyer to buy one over the other.
As far as exclusivity is concerned: how can a car be exclusive if its engine has been developed and assembled at Ford in Cologne?
I like the AM design. These cars are really beautiful. However, I would not buy one simply as these cars are full of Ford parts and know-how
Dec 28, 2004 6:02:22 PM
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nberry said:
That is their target market, 911 owners. According to the CEO, (interviewed when the baby AM was introduced) AM will differentiate themselves from the 911 in two important areas. First, the AM V8 gorgeous styling (as opposed to the form/function approach to Porsche) and second more importantly EXCLUSIVITY(he referenced the mass production of Porsche) . Performance alone, in his view ,would not be the determining factor in motivating a buyer to buy one over the other.
As far as exclusivity is concerned: how can a car be exclusive if its engine has been developed and assembled at Ford in Cologne?
I like the AM design. These cars are really beautiful. However, I would not buy one simply as these cars are full of Ford parts and know-how
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997C2S said:
Didn't want to reiterate, the AMV8 is only 40kgs more than the 997S; and latest rumours say that it will end up having 396hp & 560NM of torque.
BTW, it won't be any more exclusive than the 997S, because they will be priced almost same as the 997S if not less.
Dec 28, 2004 7:03:19 PM
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