SciFrog:They all cheat to a point. These are factory laps times with only one idea in mind: be as fast as possible.
True but since all try to achieve the maximum possible, the results are quite comparable.
The only real benchmark would be costumer cars with the same driver under the same track and weather conditions. Too hard to happen.
Impossible. This is why the Sport Auto reviews are quite comparable and the best there is for now but Christian Gebhard, like many other semi-professional or even professional drivers, have their "difficulties" with AWD cars, so it isn't a surprise that they sometimes achieve worse times with AWD cars. Overall however, the Sport Auto times are comparable, also because they check the cars for (manufacturer) cheating attempts. They put them on the dyno (if they achieve the precise factory claim, this is always questionable as well, especially on turbo charged cars), they check the chassis alignment settings, etc..
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)
They don’t struggle with AWD. RWD is faster if you are at the top of the game, ie for these semi and full pros. But that is a very small pool of people. For all the others, AWD will be faster. Unless they post slower lap time for “amateurs”, AWD will be behind in published tests.
SciFrog:They don’t struggle with AWD. RWD is faster if you are at the top of the game, ie for these semi and full pros. But that is a very small pool of people. For all the others, AWD will be faster. Unless they post slower lap time for “amateurs”, AWD will be behind in published tests.
I didn't say they struggle, they just have a driving style which "benefits" RWD cars. Understandable, since most race/track cars are RWD.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)
RC:BiTurbo:Weight went up due to the equipments installed, but the roll cage alone does wonders around the track to squeeze out better lap times.
The roll cage does nothing in the case of the Performante. If manufacturers want to cheat, they have three ways to do it:
1. Power (Performante in the Sport Auto test was underpowered, not only in the dyno test but also when measuring straight line performance)
2. Weight (Performante in the Sport Auto test was heavier than standard Performante)
3. Tires (This is where manufacturers could cheat easily but Sport Auto usually checks the tires as well, so they don't use prototypes with better grip on the track).
All above three are way easier methods to cheat, especially the first and the third one.
I have over 4000 km on my Performante now, I've driven yesterday back to back with a GT3 RS and trust me, the Performante is not slow in curves and it doesn't need any extra stability, the body doesn't seem to move a bit. I have Corsa road tires, the GT3 RS had Cup 2s, so... Tire temperature was perfect for grip, on his and my car. The Corsa isn't really that slower on the Nordschleife btw., I heard that the Trofeo R gives you "only" 10 seconds or so on the Nordschleife. For amateur drivers, the difference would be probably only 5 seconds or even less, not really worth it. Unless of course you do more than one round, then the Trofeo R makes really sense.
If you think Lamborghini cheats, I think you're wrong.
Don't be shocked when / if you ever put your personal car on an actual scale and compare it to Sport Auto's test car with all the equipments installed, without a door handle and a custom bucket seat + unusual trim with factory plates
I have a feeling you'll continue to backfire until the replies stop
BiTurbo:RC:BiTurbo:Weight went up due to the equipments installed, but the roll cage alone does wonders around the track to squeeze out better lap times.
The roll cage does nothing in the case of the Performante. If manufacturers want to cheat, they have three ways to do it:
1. Power (Performante in the Sport Auto test was underpowered, not only in the dyno test but also when measuring straight line performance)
2. Weight (Performante in the Sport Auto test was heavier than standard Performante)
3. Tires (This is where manufacturers could cheat easily but Sport Auto usually checks the tires as well, so they don't use prototypes with better grip on the track).
All above three are way easier methods to cheat, especially the first and the third one.
I have over 4000 km on my Performante now, I've driven yesterday back to back with a GT3 RS and trust me, the Performante is not slow in curves and it doesn't need any extra stability, the body doesn't seem to move a bit. I have Corsa road tires, the GT3 RS had Cup 2s, so... Tire temperature was perfect for grip, on his and my car. The Corsa isn't really that slower on the Nordschleife btw., I heard that the Trofeo R gives you "only" 10 seconds or so on the Nordschleife. For amateur drivers, the difference would be probably only 5 seconds or even less, not really worth it. Unless of course you do more than one round, then the Trofeo R makes really sense.
If you think Lamborghini cheats, I think you're wrong.
Don't be shocked when / if you ever put your personal car on an actual scale and compare it to Sport Auto's test car with all the equipments installed, without a door handle and a custom bucket seat + unusual trim with factory plates
I have a feeling you'll continue to backfire until the replies stop
What makes you think Lamborghini would be special in this respect? The Performante from Sport Auto was quite heavy, I'd say customer cars will be the same. Of course the weight is far off the official weight numbers, which are often quoted as dry weight. So the official 1.350 kg quickly transforms into something like 1.600 kg on the street. But Lamborghini is no different to Ferrari in this respect for example. If we're talking about weight, McLaren is the best, they actually achieve their official numbers which are moreover the lowest in the business.
We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Maybe this helps:
1/4 Mile in my Huracan Performante. Only one run, full tank, one passenger (my son), 31°C outside temp (a bit hot), public road/Autobahn (no drag strip), car had 3500 km at that time.
Real life performance, no car magazine, nothing.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)
Had a better 1/8 mile run but had to abort due to traffic...
Again: No drag strip, no special tires, public road, full tank, passenger, hot outside (31°C).
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)
The SVJ is an amazing product from Lamborghini . A bit pricey, I agree but otherwise, a wonderful car. It has character and it looks like a piece of art (or car porn ).
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)
Something new is waiting for you.
Open your eyes to the future and you’ll see it.
Are you ready for @iaamesse?#Lamborghini #IAA2019
Topspeed:Don't think so. People talk about a hybrid 1000hp hypercar based on Terzo Millennio Concept
But won't the Aventador successor be a hybrid supercar with almost 1.000 hp to match the SF90 Stradale?
We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Aug 23, 2019 7:59:13 AM
All new Lamborghini Hypercar!! After Centenario, a hybrid bull! v12 + electric engine (770 + 30 = 800hp!!!)
https://www.instagram.com/p/B16jqQCIJhK/
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It's been revealed today on the Lamborghini app. 63 units being made. It says it is the first electric motor in the world to be powered by super capacitors. Power is 819 CV in the combined cycle making it the fastest and most powerful Lamborghini yet. The V12 on it's own produces 785 CV at 8,500 RPM's. The 48V electric motor provides 34 CV and is incorporated in the gearbox. 0-100 KPH in less than 2.8 sec's. The 70 - 120 KPH time is reduced by 1.2 seconds over the Aventador SVJ.
Lamborghini Sian
6.5-liter V12 naturally aspirated engine that’s also used by the SVJ.
48-volt mild-hybrid system, which adds 34 horsepower (25 kilowatts) for a grand total of 819 hp (602 kW)
Most powerful production Lamborghini ever
the car is slightly faster than the SVJ when it comes to the 19-37 mph (30-60 kph) and 43-74 mph (70-120 kph) acceleration times – by 0.2 and 1.2 seconds, respectively.
Starting price of $3.6 million
All 63 examples are already sold.
Another world first for the Sián’s hybrid powertrain is the energy storage unit; instead of using a lithium-ion battery pack, Lamborghini’s latest creation makes use of a supercapacitor, which is three times more powerful than a battery of the same weight and three times lighter too. The supercapacitor is mounted in the bulkhead between the cabin and the engine for the optimal weight distribution.
Sep 3, 2019 3:36:21 PM
BjoernB:epic ! add 34hp electric engine to a SVJ with some remodeling and charge 3.6 Mio - somebody must be laughing loud as they are all sold
You are missing something very substantial with the addition of the electric machine. It is not the total horsepower number produced by the addition of the electric machine but the torque generated at low RPMs that counts.
Read through the material produced by Lamborghini about the Sian and how the addition is considered as part of a torque fill strategy. Therefore, Lamborghini is keeping the high revving V12 motor while introducing a mechanism to dramatically increase torque in the lower RPM ranges. This is also why the car also uses supercapacitors to store electricity instead of batteries. Those supercapacitors allow for rapid discharge profiles that result in high levels of torque.