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OAB said:
I don't believe that they tested a 997S. The numbers sound more like a 996TTS.
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OAB said:
I don't believe that they tested a 997S. The numbers sound more like a 996TTS.
Please refer to pages 91 thru 94 of the November 2004 issue of Car and Driver magazine. They tested a speed yellow Porsche 911 Carrera S with a "price as tested" of $85,910. I think someone even scanned the article for this board.
Other performance figures from the article:
1/4 mile: 12.6 sec @ 112 MPH
Breaking: 70-0 MPH @ 154 ft
Handling: Roadholding 300-ft dia skidpad .97g
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Ferdie, I'm very serious about it because Porsche is serious about it. The mentioned cars are the targeted competitor group, believe it or not.
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[It is generally agreed by everyone including Porsche that the 996 TT outperforms the Boxster/911 S. Yet the numbers you cite show numbers that the 996 TT can only dream about. Something is wrong with the numbers.
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[It is generally agreed by everyone including Porsche that the 996 TT outperforms the Boxster/911 S. Yet the numbers you cite show numbers that the 996 TT can only dream about. Something is wrong with the numbers.
Here is what the article said about their testing method. "Even with the rear axle trampling violently almost all the way through first gear, the Carrera S could be horse-whipped to a 4.1 second 60 mph run and a 12.6 second quarter mile at 112 mph, slightly quicker than the slightly lighter 400 hp C6 Corvette (C/D September 2004). The old 911 GT3 with 380 horses was but a 10th quicker to 60 and the mighty 415 hp Turbo just 0.2 second. Nominally shorter ratios in the Carrera S's revamped six-spped manual give it extra spurt-ability, but don't try clutch drops with a car you plan to keep."
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[It is generally agreed by everyone including Porsche that the 996 TT outperforms the Boxster/911 S. Yet the numbers you cite show numbers that the 996 TT can only dream about. Something is wrong with the numbers.
Here is what the article said about their testing method. "Even with the rear axle trampling violently almost all the way through first gear, the Carrera S could be horse-whipped to a 4.1 second 60 mph run and a 12.6 second quarter mile at 112 mph, slightly quicker than the slightly lighter 400 hp C6 Corvette (C/D September 2004). The old 911 GT3 with 380 horses was but a 10th quicker to 60 and the mighty 415 hp Turbo just 0.2 second. Nominally shorter ratios in the Carrera S's revamped six-spped manual give it extra spurt-ability, but don't try clutch drops with a car you plan to keep."
FYI, Autocar the British magazine had much higher numbers for the Boxster/911S.
0-60 4.6-8
0-100 10.8
1/4 mile 13.2
C&D is known for its unrealistic numbers. The 996 TT would make mince meat of the Boxster/911 S. Be realistic!
Oct 14, 2004 6:46:41 PM
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Ferdie, I'm very serious about it because Porsche is serious about it. The mentioned cars are the targeted competitor group, believe it or not.
For those who are considering or bought 996/997 (non-turbo, not GT3), just wonder how many people are considering or bought SL500, 6-series or Maserati Coupe as an alternative? I think there should be, but really a competitor group?
Oct 14, 2004 6:55:00 PM
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The 996 TT would make mince meat of the Boxster/911 S. Be realistic!
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The 996 TT would make mince meat of the Boxster/911 S. Be realistic!
Now you compare the Boxster to the 997 Carrera S? No more arguments, ehh?
The 996 Turbo Tiptronic needs 4.8 seconds from 0-62 mph.
The 997 Carrera S wins.
The 996 Turbo Tiptronic needs 16.6 seconds from 0-125 mph.
The 997 Carrera S wins.
Just an example.
I never compared the 997 Carrera S to the 996 Turbo but thanks for mentioning it.
How about this, Nick: the current 996 Turbo S (the "old" VW type car) outruns the F430 from 0-100 mph (factory claims).
Now take a guess how the new 997 Turbo will perform.
I just think you enjoy teasing us but there must be a psychological reason behind all this. Teasing means once or twice or maybe several times but what you do is a full time Porsche bashing job and I start to wonder why?!
Whenever you're in Germany, you're invited on a little ride. And to make it a fair one: I invite several members of the Ferrari Club Germany to join us in their cars, including the new F430. What do you say? I still have one "bill" open with a F360 Modena driver from Wiesbaden who kept me for 20 km's on the left Autobahn lane at a constant speed of 125 mph because he didn't want to move to the right. He already got my "warning notice" through our co-editor CR who knows him: next time, I push him from the street ...I was returning from Paris in a fully loaded Cayenne Turbo. Porsche drivers DRIVE their cars, they don't DREAM of their cars WHILE driving them.
Oct 15, 2004 11:47:26 AM
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It is funny that people start to use now the same arguments regarding the 997 some other people were using when the 996 showed up, replacing the beloved 993.
This actually means only one thing: it is the same "the old one was the better one bragging" which happens every time when Porsche puts a new 911 on the market.
We talk again next year.
Oct 15, 2004 3:12:50 PM
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it was a brave and modern design -- but it had to grow on you. and it did.
contrary to this, the 997's design is neither brave or modern but receives a lot of instant acclaim from press! at least this is my impression.
i would have guessed that the people are standing in line to get one. but -strangely- they aren't.
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Aren't they ? I for one am standing in line, for the 997S Cab.
Oct 15, 2004 5:02:53 PM
Oct 15, 2004 5:49:15 PM
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... a NEW 911.
not a rehashed interior and retro lights. Lets see 5 more HP and a heavier car with NO increased PERFORMANCE. Hmmmmm...
Did you, or do you own a 996? If not then I can understand why you would want the 996 1/2.
Oct 15, 2004 7:45:51 PM
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Also, it is difficult for Porsche owners to understand this given that Porsche's are readily available and one looks like another regardless of model or year. Porsche owners rationalize this by saying Porsche is remaining true to its heritage. I view it differently but will not bore you with an explanation.
Oct 16, 2004 2:48:46 AM