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Feb 21, 2019 10:27:55 PM

schmoell: Veteran; Loc: Munich area , Germany; Posts: 866, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2003; Reply to: CGX car nut

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Don't want do be disrespectful, but that reads like a Volkswagen press announcement. You wrote:

" A successful transition for most ICE owners to EVs will only occur when it is virtually seamless."
Obviously true

" Audi is addressing that situation, and part of those design decisions required making the e-tron appear slightly less efficient than the relatively similar Tesla Model X. "

What does "appear" mean ? Is it less efficient or not ? And how does lesser efficiency affect "virtually seamless."

Don't get me wrong. The e-tron is a nice package, esp since it is their first car. Audi decided that their car should look like a standard ICE Audi and therefore will be not as efficient as it could be. To counter this they adapted the battery (adding more nickel) so it can charge with higher amps for a longer time, which btw is not the standard use case, since no one has 100kw+ charging at home; well probably someone here on RT has indecision
To claim victory requires more.

Cheers
Rick wink

PS: Not to mention that the 3l and 1l cars are just fairy tales

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Feb 21, 2019 10:28:51 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5196, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Whoopsy

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On one of the Tesla/EV blogs I follow, someone asked if it is possible to tell if their Model 3 was built in the factory or in the tent. I guess if the pigeon $h*t is in the cabin, it was built in the tent.

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Feb 21, 2019 11:27:13 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: CGX car nut

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99% of the population has never taken their SUV off road and the Q5 is not even very adept for for it anyway...

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Feb 22, 2019 9:28:36 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: SciFrog

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SciFrog:
99% of the population has never taken their SUV off road and the Q5 is not even very adept for for it anyway...

And 99% of the SUV on the market, even the super light duty crossovers are still better than the Model X for the odd chance they go off road. Or even just snow, or just rain. Or just gravel. OR just unpaved roads.

And 99% of the minivans on the market are much better for minivan duty than the Model X.

So where did that leaves the Model X?

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Feb 22, 2019 10:32:14 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59609, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:
Or more like the more you know about that company, the more you don't want to be the one standing without a chair when the music stops?

Smiley Actually, I would probably be more worried about being indicted and/or going to jail... Smiley Smiley

A friend of mine went into politics for a party he actually doesn't really like. Smiley Many years ago. He worked for them, even found his place in the local government and after six years (or was it eight?), he now has a nice monthly government pension (over 2k EUR) on top of his other job. I couldn't do it (maybe I'm too dumb for that or maybe I'm just too honest) but it is kind of admirable (or shocking) of what people do for money. Smiley

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Feb 22, 2019 1:27:56 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:
SciFrog:
99% of the population has never taken their SUV off road and the Q5 is not even very adept for for it anyway...

And 99% of the SUV on the market, even the super light duty crossovers are still better than the Model X for the odd chance they go off road. Or even just snow, or just rain. Or just gravel. OR just unpaved roads.

And 99% of the minivans on the market are much better for minivan duty than the Model X.

So where did that leaves the Model X?

Since the Model X is neither a SUV or a minivan (it is a large luxury crossover that seats 7), it leaves it in its own category Smiley The fact that it is an EV, and a pretty good and efficient one is just the cherry on the cake.

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Feb 22, 2019 1:59:55 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59609, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: SciFrog

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Hmm...I wonder...what if someone puts the whole Tesla X tech under a Lamborghini Urus shell? Would someone be interested? Thinking about creating a new company. smiley

Just kidding but seriously: The Urus design (incl. interior) combined with the Tesla X EV tech? Not a bad combo for an EV SUV.

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Feb 22, 2019 2:15:58 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21158, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: Tesla Roadster

SciFrog:
Whoopsy:
SciFrog:
99% of the population has never taken their SUV off road and the Q5 is not even very adept for for it anyway...

And 99% of the SUV on the market, even the super light duty crossovers are still better than the Model X for the odd chance they go off road. Or even just snow, or just rain. Or just gravel. OR just unpaved roads.

And 99% of the minivans on the market are much better for minivan duty than the Model X.

So where did that leaves the Model X?

Since the Model X is neither a SUV or a minivan (it is a large luxury crossover that seats 7), it leaves it in its own category

Yes, a crossover category on its own, the crossover between a minivan and a Prius indecision ... but nothing luxurious about it though, I've seen it in real life in and out.

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Feb 22, 2019 2:25:32 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5196, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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Carlos from Spain:
SciFrog:
Whoopsy:
SciFrog:
99% of the population has never taken their SUV off road and the Q5 is not even very adept for for it anyway...

And 99% of the SUV on the market, even the super light duty crossovers are still better than the Model X for the odd chance they go off road. Or even just snow, or just rain. Or just gravel. OR just unpaved roads.

And 99% of the minivans on the market are much better for minivan duty than the Model X.

So where did that leaves the Model X?

Since the Model X is neither a SUV or a minivan (it is a large luxury crossover that seats 7), it leaves it in its own category

Yes, a crossover category on its own, the crossover between a minivan and a Prius ... but nothing luxurious about it though, I've seen it in real life in and out.

What a tautology he has woven considering he has constantly compared the Model X to the Audi e-tron and Jaguar i Pace. Now the Tesla is something different and incomparable.

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Feb 22, 2019 4:02:49 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: CGX car nut

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The fact that it is in its own category does still make it totally comparable, what else are you going to compare it to for now?

Different? Of course it is different, that’s why it is generating so much love/hate. It is new and groundbreaking. Luxury? Well it is just a different kind of luxury where the money is not in the quality of the interior (no leather) or the panel gaps. The luxury is in the EV tech (efficiency), the gullwing doors and the giant screen and tech. The price is luxury all right and they sell quite a few of them...

Saying the X is a cross between a minivan and a Prius is the same as saying the 911 is a cross between a Beetle and a Miata. It is just a silly catchphrase.

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Feb 22, 2019 5:34:06 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5886, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: SciFrog

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Autocar this week has an artist's impression of Model Y expected in 2020...

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Feb 22, 2019 5:46:14 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

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Now that Model Y concept picture looks properly like a SUV/crossover instead of a minivan.

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Feb 22, 2019 6:15:23 PM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Expected in 2020..... ... we all know that this car will not be at a client before 2025

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Feb 22, 2019 8:03:21 PM

Topspeed: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 2992, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 14, 2014; Reply to: Lars997

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Then he will announce the model A and F.

S3XY AF smiley

Jumping from project to project like theres no tomorrow.

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Feb 22, 2019 8:09:32 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Topspeed

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One has to keep announcing vapour ware to keep the stock price high...................

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Feb 22, 2019 9:26:01 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5196, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:
One has to keep announcing vapour ware to keep the stock price high...................

He has returned to tweeting with several winners including returning to self-driving systems...but they actually require driver intervention, and posting production volumes for 2019. In the production volume Tweet, he stated that TSLA would achieve 500,000 units for the year, only to have to walk back to 400,000, the very number posted in the financial reports. He juiced the production number by using an anticipated, eventual production level of 10,000 per week. Even the weekly production numbers are based on achieving a production rate of X, for how long, no one knows.

In other news, another unbiased review, though non-driving, of the new Audi e-tron from a current Tesla owner. Overall, this review is very positive too. https://insideevs.com/video-audi-e-tron-ev-need-to-know/ I am amused by the numerous comments attempting to explain why the e-tron isn't "as efficient" as the Model X by condemning the grille of the Audi. The grille is located at a stagnation point and has a carefully shaped opening for cooling, which even EVs require. It's contribution to the overall drag of the vehicle is negligible, while maintaining the brand entity of Audi. Real drag reduction is in carefully shaping the rear and underbody of the vehicle. Audi has infinitely more resources in aerodynamics than Tesla ranging from CFD systems to moving road climate wind tunnels. Audi has pioneered the use of detached-eddy simulations for vehicles beyond the typical use of computational fluid dynamics utilized by companies such as Tesla.

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Feb 22, 2019 9:57:06 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: CGX car nut

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Or another way to say this, VW group got owned by a startup with no money and never built a car before. Cool.

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Feb 22, 2019 10:19:55 PM

schmoell: Veteran; Loc: Munich area , Germany; Posts: 866, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2003; Reply to: SciFrog

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to get an idea about the state of things you may want to have a look at Engadget. The race is certainly on ...

https://www.engadget.com/2019/02/22/tesla-performance-audi-jaguar-EV-efficiency-testing/

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Feb 22, 2019 10:30:34 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5196, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: schmoell

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schmoell:
to get an idea about the state of things you may want to have a look at Engadget. The race is certainly on ...

https://www.engadget.com/2019/02/22/tesla-performance-audi-jaguar-EV-efficiency-testing/

Nothing new in that article. It is an established fact that the Tesla requires less kWh per kilometer than either the Audi or the Jaguar; however, the relevance, beyond eking out a few more kilometers of range is virtually meaningless for most owners. Once again, each automaker optimized the design based on slightly different parameters.

It has become tedious when the efficiency argument are on par with comparing a Mercedes E450 with a BMW 540i xdrive and stating that there is a difference in fuel economy. The difference is trivial.

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Feb 22, 2019 10:36:34 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: CGX car nut

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It is trivial because usually the difference would be 10%. They are talking 23-30%...

Well now you have a choice. You can buy an inefficient overpriced Q5 with leather inside or you can buy a more efficient but still overpriced less cozy interior 7 seater X. That said, compared to a GLS 63 AMG, the X holds the candle in man aspects.

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Feb 23, 2019 8:35:22 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 5196, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: SciFrog

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Want efficiency in an EV crossover, get a Kia or Hyundai, according to this Norwegian test. https://elbil.no/stor-vintertest-naer-900-kilometer-med-fem-hoyreiste-elbiler/

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Feb 23, 2019 10:13:02 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5886, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: CGX car nut

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Smiley

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Feb 24, 2019 6:20:04 PM

mcdelaug: Expert; Loc: Fort Worth, Texas , United States; Posts: 1921, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2004; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

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Bipolar disorder

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Feb 24, 2019 6:38:41 PM

Leawood911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Kansas, USA , United States; Posts: 6924, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 29, 2006; Reply to: mcdelaug

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Did not say anything about waking up.

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Feb 25, 2019 9:59:29 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59609, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Leawood911

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Leawood911:
Did not say anything about waking up.

Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Feb 25, 2019 10:34:26 AM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21158, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: RC

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Can't come soon enough, falling a sleep behind the wheel of a Teslab would be something very likely for a lot of us smiley

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Feb 25, 2019 12:45:40 PM

Porsche-Jeck: Rennteam Master; Loc: Rheinland , Germany; Posts: 4856, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 27, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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Working 20 hrs a day (like EM) to invent a car allowing the driver to fall asleep behind the steering wheel is not without irony

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Feb 25, 2019 2:01:54 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59609, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Porsche-Jeck

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Porsche-Jeck:
Working 20 hrs a day (like EM) to invent a car allowing the driver to fall asleep behind the steering wheel is not without irony

Smiley Smiley

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Feb 25, 2019 4:04:38 PM

964C2: Expert; Loc: Dallas, TX , United States; Posts: 1825, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: RC

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Just looking at the Teslas puts one to sleep....

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Feb 25, 2019 4:30:48 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59609, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: 964C2

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964C2:
Just looking at the Teslas puts one to sleep....

Smiley

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