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Gnil:

 

Also , surprise over here , the car will only be available on leasing  ( just like they did with the GT2 RS )  Maybe this is only a rule for Switzerland ( ? ) 

 

Same thing in Germany with the Speedster (not sure about other models and of course I am not sure whether it is a general policy but at least a buddy of mine was just told that he can only lease the car).

Daily Driver 991 Carrera T (June 2018), Canyon Carver 981 Spyder, Track Machine 997 GT3

Porsche-Jeck:

Gnil:

 

Also , surprise over here , the car will only be available on leasing  ( just like they did with the GT2 RS )  Maybe this is only a rule for Switzerland ( ? ) 

 

Same thing in Germany with the Speedster (not sure about other models and of course I am not sure whether it is a general policy but at least a buddy of mine was just told that he can only lease the car).

Maybe to stop speculators? 

When I asked about a 918 lease, they said impossible. The GT2 RS lease was much more convenient, had an offer for 330 EUR per month, 100k EUR initial payment, for 12 months, buying it afterwards. Was actually quite a good offer (not from Porsche Financial though).

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RC:

Maybe to stop speculators? 

 

Yes, I think so. Though I understand you can lease the car only via Porsche Financial. Double win for Porsche - at least on paper, may be in reality some potential buyers are not interested anymore then

Daily Driver 991 Carrera T (June 2018), Canyon Carver 981 Spyder, Track Machine 997 GT3

Porsche-Jeck:

RC:

Maybe to stop speculators? 

 

Yes, I think so. Though I understand you can lease the car only via Porsche Financial. Double win for Porsche - at least on paper, may be in reality some potential buyers are not interested anymore then

The lease is only for 6 month at 0'0% interest . It is only to stop speculation 

 964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

@PJ : Still enjoying your "T" ?

Gnil:

 

The lease is only for 6 month at 0'0% interest . It is only to stop speculation 

Maybe different terms per model / country etc. - Speedster may be more of an object of speculation compared to the RS due to the limited production number. 

Daily Driver 991 Carrera T (June 2018), Canyon Carver 981 Spyder, Track Machine 997 GT3

Porsche-Jeck:

Gnil:

 

The lease is only for 6 month at 0'0% interest . It is only to stop speculation 

Maybe different terms per model / country etc. - Speedster may be more of an object of speculation compared to the RS due to the limited production number. 

Maybe ... the good thing is that Porsche is addressing the speculation issue . Probably it started to screw up their model planing , not knowing exactly anymore how many to produce . They want to satisfy most customers and they probably like a bit of speculation , but if that ' fake ' demand gets way over what the market actually wants, it will affect the image and sales of the model 

 964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

d997h:

@PJ : Still enjoying your "T" ?

Yes, very much so  Perfect DD with still plenty of driving fun - all at reasonable cost (in the 911-world at least..)  Though Mrs. PJ still prefers the rawer n/a experience with the Spyder  Weekend is looking good for a Spyder spin - sun and double digit temps  Are you still looking for a new toy ?

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The speculation was good in the beginning because it created a hype about GT models but in the end, Porsche seems to have realized that this whole thing pissed off a lot of loyal customers, who find their home(s) somewhere else. 

The lease thing is actually a good thing, 6 months...then you can buy the car. 

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@ Gnil and RC: fully agree  It was about time that Porsche takes care of the "grey market" - things got out of hand a bit lately, especially when some OPCs started to "co-operate" with fake customers.

Daily Driver 991 Carrera T (June 2018), Canyon Carver 981 Spyder, Track Machine 997 GT3

Porsche-Jeck:

d997h:

@PJ : Still enjoying your "T" ?

Yes, very much so  Perfect DD with still plenty of driving fun - all at reasonable cost (in the 911-world at least..)  Though Mrs. PJ still prefers the rawer n/a experience with the Spyder  Weekend is looking good for a Spyder spin - sun and double digit temps  Are you still looking for a new toy ?

Wellllllllllll, yes, no, perhaps ...everytime planning starts for the new driving season (like NOW  ) I feel like "improving a little bit" what my budget permits and in particular, when I see a low mileage T-car with AWS, LED headlights and bucket seats etc., I am .... kind of ... tempted....

Latest News:
- PTS available before the plant holidays
- Rumor about a special edition with 550HP

Source -> PFF (german Forum)

Dane:

Latest News:
- PTS available before the plant holidays
- Rumor about a special edition with 550HP

Source -> PFF (german Forum)

Incredible how Porsche just floods the market. Thousands and thousands of GT3, GT3RS in all versions. And even 2500+ GT2RS.

These cars are mass production cars these days. No problem for buyers who love the car for what it is. But for people who expect low depreciation there will be a HUGE disappointment (and I am not speaking of rising value...). At some point all these old cars will sell at very low prices. Porsche built far too many given the rather small group of enthusiasts who really want to own one. Honestly, who wants an "old" 991.2 GT3RS in September 2019??? It is kind of an old car already...

MKSGR:

Dane:

Latest News:
- PTS available before the plant holidays
- Rumor about a special edition with 550HP

Source -> PFF (german Forum)

Incredible how Porsche just floods the market. Thousands and thousands of GT3, GT3RS in all versions. And even 2500+ GT2RS.

These cars are mass production cars these days. No problem for buyers who love the car for what it is. But for people who expect low depreciation they will be a disappointment (and I am not speaking of rising value...). At some point all these old cars will sell at very low prices. Porsche built far too many given the rather small group of enthusiasts who really want to own one.

Now you know why I did what I did...  

Regarding the GT2 RS: Remember when I said that everyone who seriously wants one will get one?  It is still an amazing car but I think it is way overpriced. 

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RC:

Regarding the GT2 RS: Remember when I said that everyone who seriously wants one will get one?  It is still an amazing car but I think it is way overpriced. 

Not in the UK for the GT2RS, but I have just been informed that I have got a GT3RS allocation. Not clear whether they will let me do PTS though or the Weissach pack - probably not.. In which case I might end up with exactly the same spec as @nberry  . Suggestions welcome for alternatives.

crayphile:

RC:

Regarding the GT2 RS: Remember when I said that everyone who seriously wants one will get one?  It is still an amazing car but I think it is way overpriced. 

Not in the UK for the GT2RS, but I have just been informed that I have got a GT3RS allocation. Not clear whether they will let me do PTS though or the Weissach pack - probably not.. In which case I might end up with exactly the same spec as @nberry  . Suggestions welcome for alternatives.

No additional cars for the UK?  Maybe related to the Brexit?

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Porsche seem to have sorted out the grey/flipper market.

Now when will Rolex do the same with their Daytona?  

DJM48:

Porsche seem to have sorted out the grey/flipper market.

Now when will Rolex do the same with their Daytona?  

Joking aside, I actually really think that Porsche did that to "compensate" for the WLTP disaster and the possible loss in other model categories.  If true, it was a clever strategy, at least for the moment. For flippers, this is a disaster.

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MKSGR:

 

Incredible how Porsche just floods the market. Thousands and thousands of GT3, GT3RS in all versions. And even 2500+ GT2RS.

These cars are mass production cars these days. No problem for buyers who love the car for what it is. But for people who expect low depreciation there will be a HUGE disappointment (and I am not speaking of rising value...). At some point all these old cars will sell at very low prices. Porsche built far too many given the rather small group of enthusiasts who really want to own one. Honestly, who wants an "old" 991.2 GT3RS in September 2019??? It is kind of an old car already...

Yes and no . I fully agree the market is getting way over flooded and prices should come down a lot . I do not see how they can sell all the 2nd hand cars . Just not enough people . For the moment , prices are still like they have always been , normal deprecation , exactly like it was with the 996 , 997 . At least this is what is happening in Switzerland . 

On the other hand, these cars are still the some of the very best cars to have . Not much comes close to the tactile and gut feeling you get in an '' old 991.2 GT3 RS '' , expect maybe the Performante and the Pista .  So , still one of the best car to buy ( on a '' normal'' budget ) 

 964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

DJM48:

Porsche seem to have sorted out the grey/flipper market.

Now when will Rolex do the same with their Daytona?  

They have ...... at least over here . I had to sign a paper that said I will not sell the watch in the next 3 years 

 964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

RC:

DJM48:

Porsche seem to have sorted out the grey/flipper market.

Now when will Rolex do the same with their Daytona?  

 

Joking aside, I actually really think that Porsche did that to "compensate" for the WLTP disaster and the possible loss in other model categories.  If true, it was a clever strategy, at least for the moment. For flippers, this is a disaster.

 

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Porsche does not sell much at the moment . Numbers in Switzerland are down by 64% !!!! since the beginning of the year compared to same time last year . 

 964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

some cars will be very special with unseen options yet like colored carbon but rarity will stop at that level because they will make as much as possible GT3RS and I don't see where it is wrong.

the one who purchase that car to think not losing much on resale is the wrong buyer.

GT Lover, Porsche fan

991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

Cayenne GTS 2014

Gnil:

RC:

DJM48:

Porsche seem to have sorted out the grey/flipper market.

Now when will Rolex do the same with their Daytona?  

 

Joking aside, I actually really think that Porsche did that to "compensate" for the WLTP disaster and the possible loss in other model categories.  If true, it was a clever strategy, at least for the moment. For flippers, this is a disaster.

 

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

 

Porsche does not sell much at the moment . Numbers in Switzerland are down by 64% !!!! since the beginning of the year compared to same time last year . 

So my theory could be true...making as many WLTP certified models as possible until the other models are ready.

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crayphile:

 

Not in the UK for the GT2RS, but I have just been informed that I have got a GT3RS allocation. Not clear whether they will let me do PTS though or the Weissach pack - probably not.. In which case I might end up with exactly the same spec as @nberry  . Suggestions welcome for alternatives.

I just can't believe you can't get one  That is crazy .  Maybe you should buy the cars over here with a a left hand drive option . There are still locations and for sure with PTS when it opens . 

 964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

the-missile:

some cars will be very special with unseen options yet like colored carbon but rarity will stop at that level because they will make as much as possible GT3RS and I don't see where it is wrong.

the one who purchase that car to think not losing much on resale is the wrong buyer.

For Porsche lovers, this strategy is very good! No doubt! 

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the-missile:

some cars will be very special with unseen options yet like colored carbon but rarity will stop at that level because they will make as much as possible GT3RS and I don't see where it is wrong.

the one who purchase that car to think not losing much on resale is the wrong buyer.

Exactly . Cars do loose value . Normal !

 964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

RC:

Porsche does not sell much at the moment . Numbers in Switzerland are down by 64% !!!! since the beginning of the year compared to same time last year . 

So my theory could be true...making as many WLTP certified models as possible until the other models are ready.

Probably . Where else would they be making money otherwise ? They can't just sit and wait and sell nothing 

 964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

Gnil:

Porsche does not sell much at the moment . Numbers in Switzerland are down by 64% !!!! since the beginning of the year compared to same time last year . 

-52% in Jan and -75%(!) in Feb (vs 2018).

Source:  https://www.auto.swiss/statistiken/autoverkaeufe-nach-marken/

My dealer has 3 GT2RS's on the floor, and one GT3RS. And this is a relatively small dealer outside of Boston, not one of the main dealers in that metro area. For all I know, he may have others in storage. 

Gnil:

 

On the other hand, these cars are still the some of the very best cars to have . Not much comes close to the tactile and gut feeling you get in an '' old 991.2 GT3 RS '' , expect maybe the Performante and the Pista .  So , still one of the best car to buy ( on a '' normal'' budget ) 

You are 100% correct  However, we both know how many humans (with the money to also buy the car) can evaluate the driving experience and get to this conclusion... That's why they oversell by a factor of 5-10x, if you ask me...