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Jan 11, 2019 4:47:25 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

Whoopsy:
The RWS and other stuff doesn't cost 17k euro to produce...................

The RWS was pretty expensive to implement because of the mid engined setup. Porsche had similar (cost) issues with the 991.1 Turbo S when they introduced RWS, at first they wanted it as an option but the development team insisted on having it as a standard option. Reason was cost, so they raised the base price of the 991.1 Turbo/S.

Ask your buddies at Porsche, they will confirm. Smiley

Lambo is just jacking up the margin.

A little bit yes but the facelift wasn't cheap for them, the changes are pretty substantial and the WLTP/particulate filter certification was very complicated and costly in this case. Engine and gearbox are at it's power/torque "end".

Speaking of margins: Lamborghini will put out as many Huracan Evo on the road as possible as far as I heard, production numbers will be raised, dealers will get much more cars and allocations. I assume that this also means that some good deals could be available along the way.

Oh...a fourth Lambo model is coming as well...a GT Coupe. Will be interesting. Smiley

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Jan 11, 2019 7:33:02 PM

KMM: Expert; Loc: Boston, MA , United States; Posts: 1745, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 5, 2004; Reply to: RC

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A GT Coupe meaning front engined? A modern Islero?

Back to the cost / quality issue: I would be willing to pay a few thousands more for a Cayman to avoid lower quality materials here and there; in the hidden places as well.

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Jan 11, 2019 7:51:06 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: KMM

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

KMM:
A GT Coupe meaning front engined? A modern Islero?

Back to the cost / quality issue: I would be willing to pay a few thousands more for a Cayman to avoid lower quality materials here and there; in the hidden places as well.

The lower quality items you are speaking of will be corporate VAG stuff, that are shared among all brands haha

Doesn't matter if its' Porsche or Bentley or Audi or Lamborghini or even Bugatti.

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Jan 12, 2019 4:27:40 PM

bobr: Veteran; Loc: New York , United States; Posts: 945, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2003; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

RC - Are you planning 2021 upgrade?

Oh...a fourth Lambo model is coming as well...a GT Coupe. Will be interesting.

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Jan 13, 2019 3:02:26 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: SportCarGroup

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

SportCarGroup:
RC:
SportCarGroup:
RC:
Early pre-production cars, don't worry.

Pre-production car pictured for press release?? Why would they do so? But even so, wtf?? Why such a brand like Porsche will release cars for press photoshoot with such f*cked up rear alignment in first place??

They had to take photos of these cars, didn't they?

My point is, if you say that this misalignment is only on pre-production cars and production cars won't look messed up, so why would they show this rear mess for public by releasing the pictures of the pre-production cars into press?

Have to agree, it´s like a kitchen manufacturer presenting pictures of a front side with misaligned panels and pretending the finished product at your home will look different. No matter if the pictures are produced by a professional photographer or by a rendering team on the computer, for me this is a no-go especially since you put so much effort in lighting, reflections and material accuracy and then you f*ck it up on these elements.

That said, a shutline on a curved surface that changes its convexity is always tricky and something that doesn't really communicate design quality. BMW and Mercedes have done the same on some of their cars, for example the shutline of the bonnet/hood and those look cheap and unfinished. Porsche has always done a great job with their shutlines and put a lot of effort into that.

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Jan 13, 2019 5:51:34 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

Well, Porsche had to the rush the 992 introduction.....................

It was initially planned for Geneva.

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Jan 13, 2019 6:26:40 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8843, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: bobr

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

bobr:
RC - Are you planning 2021 upgrade?

Oh...a fourth Lambo model is coming as well...a GT Coupe. Will be interesting.

RCs next big move, you heard it here first

Smiley

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Jan 13, 2019 9:54:55 PM

KMM: Expert; Loc: Boston, MA , United States; Posts: 1745, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 5, 2004; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

Ferdie:
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That said, a shutline on a curved surface that changes its convexity is always tricky and something that doesn't really communicate design quality. BMW and Mercedes have done the same on some of their cars, for example the shutline of the bonnet/hood and those look cheap and unfinished. Porsche has always done a great job with their shutlines and put a lot of effort into that.

Re good/bad shutlines: the hood to front fenders interface on the Audi A5 are pretty impressive, imo.

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Jan 14, 2019 11:18:08 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: KMM

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

KMM:
A GT Coupe meaning front engined? A modern Islero?

Front engined...yes. Will have a Bi-Turbo V8.

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Jan 14, 2019 1:11:39 PM

DaveC: Veteran; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 1068, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

We are going backward. The first 924 I saw w/ my father (1977) had the same switches, turn signal and wiper arms as my 75 Scirocco, which was just a VW Rabbit in a nicer body.

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Jan 15, 2019 9:45:37 AM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: RC

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RC:
They should change the vents design/position on the cab, it doesn't work well with the new slim rear lights, it looks too "massive" on the cabriolet, especially with the "hump".

I couldnt agree more. But - shouldnt they change that plastic vent on all cars? I mean its part of the Porsche history, but it just doestn look right anymore. Especially as other manufacturers are having glas tops where you can see the beautiful engine. This plastic looks like on a VW Polo

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Jan 15, 2019 5:58:58 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Lars997

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

Lars997:
RC:
They should change the vents design/position on the cab, it doesn't work well with the new slim rear lights, it looks too "massive" on the cabriolet, especially with the "hump".

I couldnt agree more. But - shouldnt they change that plastic vent on all cars? I mean its part of the Porsche history, but it just doestn look right anymore. Especially as other manufacturers are having glas tops where you can see the beautiful engine. This plastic looks like on a VW Polo

But nowadays even with a glas top you wouldn't see the engine on a 911. Smiley Smiley

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Jan 16, 2019 9:48:40 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

Rossi:
Lars997:
RC:
They should change the vents design/position on the cab, it doesn't work well with the new slim rear lights, it looks too "massive" on the cabriolet, especially with the "hump".

I couldnt agree more. But - shouldnt they change that plastic vent on all cars? I mean its part of the Porsche history, but it just doestn look right anymore. Especially as other manufacturers are having glas tops where you can see the beautiful engine. This plastic looks like on a VW Polo

But nowadays even with a glas top you wouldn't see the engine on a 911.

Smiley Smiley I guess Porsche is ashamed of their engines... Smiley Smiley

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Jan 17, 2019 3:54:48 PM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

RC:
Rossi:
Lars997:
RC:
They should change the vents design/position on the cab, it doesn't work well with the new slim rear lights, it looks too "massive" on the cabriolet, especially with the "hump".

I couldnt agree more. But - shouldnt they change that plastic vent on all cars? I mean its part of the Porsche history, but it just doestn look right anymore. Especially as other manufacturers are having glas tops where you can see the beautiful engine. This plastic looks like on a VW Polo

But nowadays even with a glas top you wouldn't see the engine on a 911.

I guess Porsche is ashamed of their engines...

Well - they are ashamed of its look since a while then.

But my point is - why adding that plastic piece on top of a 150k€ car? Isn't there any more stylish way of doing this? And yes - the 4WD cars have a little chrome on top of the plastic Smiley Smiley

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Jan 28, 2019 3:56:31 PM

Kaizu: Newbie; Loc: Finland, Nürburgring , Luxembourg; Posts: 14, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 10, 2005; Reply to: Lars997

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

992 Cabrio indeed tad disappointing from the first pictures...have to wait and see it live.

Gentlemen, on a related matter, could anyone of you comment how noisy a 991 Cabrio is either the roof up or roof down at Autobahn speeds compared to the Coupe or other Cabrios? Thanks!

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Jan 28, 2019 5:54:50 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Kaizu

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

Kaizu:
992 Cabrio indeed tad disappointing from the first pictures...have to wait and see it live.

Gentlemen, on a related matter, could anyone of you comment how noisy a 991 Cabrio is either the roof up or roof down at Autobahn speeds compared to the Coupe or other Cabrios? Thanks!

Roof up you can hardly tell any difference to the coupe. Roof down you can easily travel long distabces even at speeds significantly above 200kph. I am huge fan of the 911 convertible Smiley

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Jan 28, 2019 6:02:59 PM

AS4s: Pilot; Loc: New York , United States; Posts: 328, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 10, 2004; Reply to: MKSGR

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Agree 100% Hard to tell the difference with the top up, and great also top down at speed while using wind deflector.

The 991 automatic wind deflector made a huge difference IMO in the convenience and usability of the cabrio.

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Jan 29, 2019 9:49:12 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

MKSGR:
Kaizu:
992 Cabrio indeed tad disappointing from the first pictures...have to wait and see it live.

Gentlemen, on a related matter, could anyone of you comment how noisy a 991 Cabrio is either the roof up or roof down at Autobahn speeds compared to the Coupe or other Cabrios? Thanks!

Roof up you can hardly tell any difference to the coupe. Roof down you can easily travel long distabces even at speeds significantly above 200kph. I am huge fan of the 911 convertible

Yep, sounds about right.

I was driving with my wife at over 300 kph with an open top two summers ago (991.1 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet) and while the noise was infernal (our ears were hurting), it was fun (over 40°C outside...you can imagine...super warm air circling inside the car...wonderful feeling).

Up to 200 kph, the open top ride is quite comfortable in the 991 Cab (no matter if 991.1 or 991.2) but you need to deploy the windshield and close the side windows.

Actually, from an open top driving experience point of view, the 991 Cabriolet was the best convertible I ever experienced at any speed.

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Feb 2, 2019 8:42:31 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: RC

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Porsche 992 Carrera S Cabriolet in very green...

Smiley

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Feb 2, 2019 8:50:55 PM

Upsa: Senior; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 508, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2008; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

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Beautiful

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Feb 3, 2019 5:43:48 AM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Upsa

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Quite possibly it’s the pictures but the 992 seems to have lost the curved indented rear which is the hallmark of Porsche.. What I see now is a fat ass. surprise

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Feb 3, 2019 8:32:42 AM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: nberry

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

nberry:
Quite possibly it’s the pictures but the 992 seems to have lost the curved indented rear which is the hallmark of Porsche.. What I see now is a fat ass.

The jury is still out on this one until I have seen it in real, but I do sympathize with your comment. The rear does look fat.

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Feb 3, 2019 12:15:11 PM

dxpetrov: Senior; Loc: UAE , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 562, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 8, 2011; Reply to: bluelines

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The more I see 992, coupe or cab, the less I like it! Think they just degraded otherwise beautiful shape with cheap black plastic details around front and rear bumper.

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Feb 3, 2019 12:27:54 PM

amazon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 2110, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 5, 2004; Reply to: dxpetrov

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Not to mention panel gaps...

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Feb 3, 2019 4:51:09 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: amazon

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amazon:
Not to mention panel gaps...

Huge gaps on the green cabrio heart

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Feb 4, 2019 8:47:33 AM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

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I assume that's not a production car given the license plates?

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Feb 4, 2019 9:11:24 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: bluelines

Re: OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet

bluelines:
nberry:
Quite possibly it’s the pictures but the 992 seems to have lost the curved indented rear which is the hallmark of Porsche.. What I see now is a fat ass.

The jury is still out on this one until I have seen it in real, but I do sympathize with your comment. The rear does look fat.

Looks better live, I guess the angle of these pics isn't very fortunate.

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Feb 5, 2019 2:37:25 AM

EnglishManInNY: Expert; Loc: Long Island NY. , United States; Posts: 1477, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 8, 2003; Reply to: RC

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‘This looks so good!

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Feb 5, 2019 7:57:51 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: EnglishManInNY

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992 does have a fat ass. I can almost see the cellulite from here.

Like a Kim Kardashian.

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Feb 5, 2019 8:30:22 AM

spudgun: Veteran; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 1212, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2006; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Very colour sensitive, I do like the blue one. Wonder if that is Gentian or the other blue they offer

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