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Jan 12, 2019 6:00:22 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: JR-550

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

JR-550:
If have a question for you Ferrari 488 experts. I can buy a new 488GTB Spider one off Tailor Made. Beautiful car white with all carbon in blue, blue rims and blue leather interior and the panels in teak wood very special. The cost of all these "extra's" is over 100.000 Euro. Do you think a car like this will hold somewhat its value? Or are these type of cars after a few years unsellable?

Short answer is no.

All depends on how long you hold the car. Short term, perhaps yes and you probably can flip it for some profit.

But long term, no, the fluff from Tailor Made doesn't hold value. Unless it's REALLY tailor made, like with unique body panels and stuff that sets it apart from other 488.

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Jan 12, 2019 6:20:15 PM

JR-550: Pilot; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 354, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Thanks for the info, I am not a flipper looking to keep a car like this for at least 5 years. But you confirm my idea basically the extra you pay for the tailor made is gone. They sell the car at the moment basically for the sticker price. Not sure though if Ferrari does not give discounts on cars like this.

Enclosed a (not so good) picture of the car, next to a 2013 Ferrari Sergio, only 110km). This a modified 458 as tribute to Sergio Pininfarina; only 10 of these are made. They tried to sell this car for 3,7 mlj Euro but now after 18 months the price dropped to 2 mlj Euro. So even these "unique" Ferrari are not that easy to sell.

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Jan 12, 2019 10:36:33 PM

hunterone: Senior; Loc: Vienna , Austria; Posts: 582, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 9, 2006; Reply to: JR-550

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I would go on every car for a more basic spec. In long term you won't get the money back and imho it's about the car and not all the carbon bits and bytes ;)

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Jan 13, 2019 11:50:05 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59609, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: hunterone

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

hunterone:
I would go on every car for a more basic spec. In long term you won't get the money back and imho it's about the car and not all the carbon bits and bytes ;)

True...unless he would get a Pista but to be honest, I'm not so sure the Pista will hold it's value.

I wanted to order a special Ad Personam color for my Huracan Performante, cost was around 11k EUR. Now I'm kind of happy I didn't order it. A guy I know was lucky, he bought a dealer stock car with a very special Ad Personam color and basically got it for free. Different story when the price is right. 😎

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Jan 14, 2019 7:24:01 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12682, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

IMO the Pista is dramatically overpriced, all those carbon bits and pieces, that should have been standard at first, have now to be paid extra, resulting in ridiculous final prices.
In Geneva we will see the revised 488 GTB with basically the same power as, some say even more power than the Pista. This won't be for the benefit of the Pista as well.

Currently the Pista is in a hype, the thing to get as it is the newest to come from Maranello, but I guess that will change soon and Pistas prices will drop.
Of course you could argue, that the Pista is the last of the special series with V8-TT from Ferrari, but will that be as convincing as the last NA-V8 in the Speciale?

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Jan 14, 2019 11:13:34 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59609, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

Have you seen McLaren prices, especially for slightly used cars? Oh boy... heart

The local McLaren dealer has a 720S with under 7000 km for 248k EUR... It was tempting before I got the Performante but what for? From 0-200 kph, the Performante is actually faster in real life (AWD, more spontaneous throttle response), on the track it is very likely faster as well, it is at least as fun on twisty roads, it sounds much much better, it uses bulletproof Audi tech and has a wide(r) dealer network (in an emergency, any Audi R8 dealership can basically check the car for issues) and it has an n/a engine. Make no mistake, the 720S is a monster, I said it before but this is a car I would have loved to own 10 years ago.

12C? Even cars with under 20k km dropped below 120k EUR. Some even hit under 100k with under 30k km. Insane.

Once the 750LT or whatever the name will be hits the roads, the 720S will drop further in value.

Too many interesting high performance cars out there on the market, with new ones coming in. Only a few "special" models will keep their value or even increase in value. Thats for sure.

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Jan 14, 2019 6:20:08 PM

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Jan 14, 2019 6:36:31 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8863, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: koko

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

koko:

I saw a standard 458 this morning in traffic and I gotta say this particular picture really makes it evident how much they've tacked on too that original design. almost looks aftermarket to me here. Time for Ferrari to put out a new model, not just another facelift.

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Jan 14, 2019 6:44:30 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12682, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Enmanuel

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

Ferrari‘s latest design in general leaves a lot to be desired if you ask me. yes

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Jan 15, 2019 5:32:35 AM

xander71: Senior; Loc: Italy , Italy; Posts: 781, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 23, 2003; Reply to: Rossi

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I think we will neve see pinininfarina beautiful cars as the oli ones

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Jan 15, 2019 8:59:15 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59609, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

Rossi:
Ferrari‘s latest design in general leaves a lot to be desired if you ask me.

Not that Lamborghini got any better with the Evo... Smiley Smiley

Maybe they are "adapting" to certain markets? Smiley

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Jan 15, 2019 10:49:59 AM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

Rossi:
Ferrari‘s latest design in general leaves a lot to be desired if you ask me.

Monza excepted.

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Jan 15, 2019 6:18:38 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8863, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: crayphile

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crayphile:
Rossi:
Ferrari‘s latest design in general leaves a lot to be desired if you ask me.

Monza excepted.

1000%

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Jan 17, 2019 7:31:43 AM

koko: Rennteam Pro; Loc: UAE , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 2753, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2004; Reply to: Enmanuel

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Jan 17, 2019 12:00:39 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59609, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: koko

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

Has someone else noticed that prices for used sportscars, in general, have dropped over the last couple of months?

I saw a couple of low mileage 488 GTB under 200k EUR in Germany...also the first 12C under 100k EUR (33k km only). Also GT3 prices have dropped...

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Jan 17, 2019 1:37:21 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: RC

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

RC:
I saw a couple of low mileage 488 GTB under 200k EUR in Germany...also the first 12C under 100k EUR (33k km only). Also GT3 prices have dropped...

stock market lost a lot...still unstable event situation so useless stuff (a car) drops! Smiley

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Jan 17, 2019 2:37:51 PM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: the-missile

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Some very cheap stuff here potentially in the UK if you're feeling reallllllly brave...

Not for me!!

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Jan 17, 2019 2:53:45 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59609, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: bridggar

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Got offered a Testarossa for 60k EUR a few days ago...unbelievable. Pretty good shape actually but no thanks, I have no clue about Ferraris. I always loved the Testarossa because it was the first Ferrari I rode in (as a passenger)...it was actually a stolen(!) car from Belgium, which was supposed to go to Lebanon by ship. No, don't ask but it was an amazing car, since that time always had an affection for it. No, I'm not a car thief, on the contrary.

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Jan 17, 2019 5:36:17 PM

JR-550: Pilot; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 354, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

RC you are right the prices are dropping at the moment. The Porsche 911 exlusive and GT2 are really going down at the moment. Even the Carerra GT's prices are dropping, this I find strange.

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Jan 17, 2019 8:13:51 PM

GoHardGT3RS: Co-Pilot; Loc: X , Germany; Posts: 183, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 15, 2015; Reply to: JR-550

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

IMO, linked to global recession signs reflected in stock exchange drops since last August.

Also possibly the concern from some people how long we will be allowed to drive supercars on the road (emission restrictions)?...

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Mar 14, 2019 6:35:26 AM

koko: Rennteam Pro; Loc: UAE , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 2753, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2004; Reply to: GoHardGT3RS

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Mar 14, 2019 6:37:28 AM

koko: Rennteam Pro; Loc: UAE , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 2753, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2004; Reply to: koko

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Jun 14, 2019 11:26:20 AM

koko: Rennteam Pro; Loc: UAE , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 2753, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2004; Reply to: koko

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Jun 14, 2019 11:34:04 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59609, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: koko

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koko:

The crème de la crème of the modern sports car world... Smiley Smiley

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Jun 14, 2019 12:03:28 PM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4206, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: RC

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Ferrari should close their Atelier immediately after allowing this angry

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Jun 14, 2019 12:05:49 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59609, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: ISUK

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Why? It "fits" Tom perfectly. Smiley Smiley Seriously.

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Jun 14, 2019 12:05:54 PM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: ISUK

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ISUK:
Ferrari should close their Atelier immediately after allowing this

Awful. No surprise that its been picked by a Vlogger who has put the yellow on the headlamps.

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Jun 14, 2019 1:12:15 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12682, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: crayphile

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crayphile:
ISUK:
Ferrari should close their Atelier immediately after allowing this

Awful. No surprise that its been picked by a Vlogger who has put the yellow on the headlamps.

Is he Swedish? Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Jun 14, 2019 2:04:47 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

Rossi:
crayphile:
ISUK:
Ferrari should close their Atelier immediately after allowing this

Awful. No surprise that its been picked by a Vlogger who has put the yellow on the headlamps.

Is he Swedish?

No, half blind.

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Jun 14, 2019 3:21:43 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12682, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: the-missile

Re: 488 GTB/GTS

the-missile:
Rossi:
crayphile:
ISUK:
Ferrari should close their Atelier immediately after allowing this

Awful. No surprise that its been picked by a Vlogger who has put the yellow on the headlamps.

Is he Swedish?

No, half blind.

A half blind Swede, buying a matte blue Ferrari, with differnt shades of blue and lots of yellow accents.

I support the initiative, that the Atelier has to be closed immediately. Smiley

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