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    Sep 20, 2004 3:34:09 PM

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    Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    I had the use of a 360 Spyder recently and had problems with the roof - it had been working fine all day and opened ok but later I found that the roof would not go back up - just as it was about to rain!

    The cover would open but the actual roof would not budge. Is this a common problem - I assume the hydraulics within the roof mechanism went wrong - perhaps a fluid leak?

    I looked at the instruction manual for getting the roof up manually but the instructions went to numerous pages and it did not look that easy so I didn't attempt this.

    Sep 20, 2004 3:49:32 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    You need to follow the manual and the original tool box.

    You need to be very patient.

    Good luck.

    Gregory

    Sep 20, 2004 4:27:53 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    reminds me of an article i read about the lambo murcielago's temp roof.

    step 1. here is a trained lambo mechanic installing the roof with built in spider leg supports

    step 2. the lambo mechanic has to call in 2 other people to help him

    step 3. after 20 minutes the top is finally on and hopefully not too much rain has gotten on you or the car's interior. hooray!. unfortunatley, the process has taken away your will to live.

    Sep 20, 2004 4:53:35 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

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    [...] unfortunatley, the process has taken away your will to live.




    I do hope that's a typo! Or is it that bad?...
    --Pierre

    Sep 20, 2004 5:37:08 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    not a typo, it really is THAT bad.

    or at least thats how the magazine made it out to be, (as well as many other magazines)

    there was a step by step diagram, and i consider myself fairly mechanically competant, i had a hard time figuring out how the lambo's temporary clothtop could actually fit over the highly complex rear engine deck structure.

    looks like a major PITA.

    but theres a price to be paid for open air motoring, in all forms...

    boxster speedster humps? royal PITA.
    but i think they look damn seksi

    hmm, won't let me attach this:

    but heres a handy link:

    http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php...lery&id=219

    Sep 20, 2004 10:38:29 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    no one said Ferraris are reliable

    Sep 22, 2004 2:48:19 AM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    Quote:
    lee12 said:
    I had the use of a 360 Spyder recently and had problems with the roof - it had been working fine all day and opened ok but later I found that the roof would not go back up - just as it was about to rain!

    The cover would open but the actual roof would not budge. Is this a common problem - I assume the hydraulics within the roof mechanism went wrong - perhaps a fluid leak?

    I looked at the instruction manual for getting the roof up manually but the instructions went to numerous pages and it did not look that easy so I didn't attempt this.



    If the soft top does not come out of the well then allow the hard top to on its own to go back down and then start the process again. It should work. The top is made by a company owed in part by Porsche so you can expect problems.

    Take the car in for sevicing the top and the will either adjust or replace the switch. No big deal.

    Sep 22, 2004 10:10:36 AM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    The roof would not come up whatever I tried and eventually had to be returned luckily just before the rain started! All fuses and relays were ok and so I suspect some sort out hydraulic problem. Despite this I've now placed an order for the F430 Spider - I just hope the roof mechanism is improved and a bit more reliable!

    Sep 22, 2004 9:36:04 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

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    The top is made by a company owed in part by Porsche so you can expect problems.

    Take the car in for sevicing the top and the will either adjust or replace the switch. No big deal.



    Yep! It would only be a big deal if the same thing happened to a 911 Cab, right Nick?

    Sep 22, 2004 9:39:34 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    hmm didn't know that company made clothtops systems as well

    i believe porsche recently purchased the remaining shares of the company, and now wholey owns it.

    i thought they only made convertible hardtops like on the Peugeot, Merc, lexus cars.

    Sep 22, 2004 9:45:11 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

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    The roof would not come up whatever I tried and eventually had to be returned luckily just before the rain started! All fuses and relays were ok and so I suspect some sort out hydraulic problem. Despite this I've now placed an order for the F430 Spider - I just hope the roof mechanism is improved and a bit more reliable!



    When you say placed an order on a F430 Spider did you actually order the car or put your name on a list to order one?

    It does sound like you have a hydraulic problem. Early Spider's had this issue. The hose leaks and requires replacement. Not easy to get to. About a day in the shop for repair.

    Actually the roof is reliable though somewhat inconsistent in opening and closing. It invariably opens and closes but not as smooth as one would like. It is typical Porsche quality right Fritz?

    Sep 24, 2004 1:19:58 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    I've placed my name on a list and parted with Pounds5,000 as a deposit with delivery anticipated in 2007!

    Sep 24, 2004 2:22:09 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

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    ... It is typical Porsche quality right Fritz?



    The roof comes from a German company formerly owned by MB and PAG, the later took it over completely a while ago.

    Those roofs are not more or less reliable because of the manufacturer but because of Ferrari's specification, layout and especially price they are willing to pay...

    Sep 24, 2004 3:27:27 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

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    Quote:
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    ... It is typical Porsche quality right Fritz?



    The roof comes from a German company formerly owned by MB and PAG, the later took it over completely a while ago.

    Those roofs are not more or less reliable because of the manufacturer but because of Ferrari's specification, layout and especially price they are willing to pay...





    Its Ferrari's fault actually for being stupid enough to go to the german competition for it intead of learning how to make them themselves you'd think the Porsche owned company that makes them would worry to much about the quality when its going to Ferrari? I guess they'd figure no one would notice its bad quality anyway since they are being installed in FIATs nick, and I guess they don't since Ferrari is a repeat customer for those tops ... just joking

    Sep 24, 2004 6:01:14 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

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    ...Its Ferrari's fault actually for being stupid enough to go to the german competition for it intead of learning how to make them themselves you'd think the Porsche owned company that makes them would worry to much about the quality when its going to Ferrari? ...



    Sep 24, 2004 6:41:06 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

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    Those roofs are not more or less reliable because of the manufacturer but because of Ferrari's specification, layout and especially price they are willing to pay...



    Yep, F gets them cheaper because they are prepared to take P's rejects. Never heard of a P rag-top suffering a hydraulic failure.

    Sep 24, 2004 7:36:06 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    Those roofs are not more or less reliable because of the manufacturer but because of Ferrari's specification, layout and especially price they are willing to pay...



    Yep, F gets them cheaper because they are prepared to take P's rejects. Never heard of a P rag-top suffering a hydraulic failure.



    My 996 top failed for that exact reason.

    BTW while we are the subject of cheap did not the Boxster and 996 share exact same front end?

    Sep 24, 2004 8:19:41 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    Those roofs are not more or less reliable because of the manufacturer but because of Ferrari's specification, layout and especially price they are willing to pay...



    Yep, F gets them cheaper because they are prepared to take P's rejects. Never heard of a P rag-top suffering a hydraulic failure.



    My 996 top failed for that exact reason.

    BTW while we are the subject of cheap did not the Boxster and 996 share exact same front end?



    Nick,

    You are so predictable!

    I set a trap, and you fell right into it.

    I even printed hydraulic in red to give you a sporting chance.

    Your 996 Cab didn't have a hydraulic top.

    We could be a double act, but you'd have to be the fallguy.

    Sep 24, 2004 8:22:53 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    regardless of who makes the spider roof, i did find it the least attractive feature on my 2001 spider, as it seemed to barely "get it up" everytime... coming up slightly crooked, and as though it would break soon.... substandard for a car at that price point in my view

    ps fritz i think nick was kidding you as well

    Sep 24, 2004 8:49:27 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

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    ...BTW while we are the subject of cheap did not the Boxster and 996 share exact same front end?



    Yeah, but it worked...

    Sep 24, 2004 8:50:07 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

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    ...ps fritz i think nick was kidding you as well



    ...nah!

    Sep 24, 2004 8:57:33 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

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    regardless of who makes the spider roof, i did find it the least attractive feature on my 2001 spider, as it seemed to barely "get it up" everytime... coming up slightly crooked, and as though it would break soon....


    watt, did you try some Viagra?

    Quote:
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    ps fritz i think nick was kidding you as well


    Sure. I was counting on it when I set him up.

    Sep 24, 2004 9:20:36 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    Quote:
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    Quote:
    nberry said:
    Quote:
    fritz said:
    Quote:
    Ferdie said:
    Those roofs are not more or less reliable because of the manufacturer but because of Ferrari's specification, layout and especially price they are willing to pay...



    Yep, F gets them cheaper because they are prepared to take P's rejects. Never heard of a P rag-top suffering a hydraulic failure.



    My 996 top failed for that exact reason.

    BTW while we are the subject of cheap did not the Boxster and 996 share exact same front end?



    Nick,

    You are so predictable!

    I set a trap, and you fell right into it.

    I even printed hydraulic in red to give you a sporting chance.

    Your 996 Cab didn't have a hydraulic top.

    We could be a double act, but you'd have to be the fallguy.



    Porsche service advised me that the "hydraulic mechanism (motor) required replacement". It was covered under warranty.

    Sep 25, 2004 4:56:38 AM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    If you want passion, excitability and sensory overload, drive a Ferrari

    after all this is the f forum

    Sep 25, 2004 10:19:18 PM

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    Re: Problems with the roof on a 360 Spyder

    My 04 spider top had a few issues when the car was new. Now, 8 months later it works perfectly. I always use the car with the top down so every drive, I raise and lower it.

    I find it actually reassuring that the same company did the boxster/996 top...


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