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Sep 14, 2004 6:01:35 PM

Ando: Junior; Loc: London, England.; Posts: 99, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004

Phone system

I need some advice about the phone system in the cars, it will probably have to come from UK owners.......
I have spec'd the phone and nav in my new 997 which arrives in October (never felt the need in my previous 996/Boxsters)and I obviously need an additional sim card to use it properly. I have contacted my provider (Orange) and they will not provide an additional card, I have also spoken to Vodafone and they WILL, it looks like I'll be changing service providers then, but before I do, are there any other service providers in the UK that will issue two sim cards with a contract that anyone knows about??
All advice welcome.
I was advised by the dealer that some people get a cheap 'pay as you go' card and divert calls when driving but I don't fancy that idea, I tend to make a lot of calls when driving not receive too many.
Thanks.

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Oct 4, 2004 1:55:50 AM

Holminator: Veteran; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 1041, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 28, 2004; Reply to: Ando

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Here in the States, I use T-Mobile, which told me that they would be unwilling to give me a 2nd SIM because it was a security risk. Grist for the mill. As a result, I'm considering the Porsche Cell Phone Solution option.

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Oct 4, 2004 2:18:16 AM

GG: Co-Pilot; Loc: NY/NJ; Posts: 180, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: Holminator

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I was thinking about just getting a second phone (i.e. separate phone number) and just forwarding my main phone to the car phone when in the 997.

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Oct 4, 2004 2:34:23 AM

Holminator: Veteran; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 1041, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 28, 2004; Reply to: GG

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Me too or just getting a new cell phone--switching from a Blackberry 7230 to a Blackberry 7100t or Treo 650 because they have built-in speakerphones. I have some thinking to do.

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Oct 4, 2004 6:59:29 AM

robbo: Pilot; Loc: essex, uk; Posts: 319, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 11, 2004; Reply to: Holminator

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Hi Ando i am having the same problem ,02 will not send me a duplicate sim card either

suppose will have to buy a pay and go sim and divert the calls when i get in the 997.If not will have to pop the sim out and slot it in the car before doing any longish journeys.Either way its a pain in the arse,maybe we should all change to Vodafone as they do duplicate sims

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Oct 4, 2004 11:59:47 AM

Ed J: Pilot; Loc: London; Posts: 407, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 4, 2004; Reply to: robbo

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Vodafone here in the UK have confirmed that they will send me a second sim. Robbo - if you are in the UK why don't you confront o2 with this and threaten moving to Vodafone?

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Oct 4, 2004 12:33:29 PM

robbo: Pilot; Loc: essex, uk; Posts: 319, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 11, 2004; Reply to: Ed J

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Raven i have already spoke to them and they have said at the moment duplicates sims are not available

,however i have a feeling this may change especially if they keep getting enquiries like mine from more customers

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Oct 4, 2004 12:35:20 PM

stone: Co-Pilot; Loc: Taunton, UK; Posts: 216, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 13, 2004; Reply to: Ed J

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alternatively you can get a bluetooth system by your dealer for about 299 - then the car will recognise the phone and you can still use the hands free -

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Oct 4, 2004 2:54:27 PM

Thom: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 65, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2003; Reply to: GG

Re: Phone system

Quote:
GG said:
I was thinking about just getting a second phone (i.e. separate phone number) and just forwarding my main phone to the car phone when in the 997.

GG,

Forwarding calls gets very expensive. At $.40 a minute (AT&T) it adds up.

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Oct 4, 2004 2:59:25 PM

Thom: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 65, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2003; Reply to: stone

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Maybe I'm a little more sensitive to stupid designs, but each new passenger in my car asks about the telephone I don't have. They see a telephone keypad and say, "Oh, it comes with a phone?" And, I have to explain why it's not a phone!

Porsche does not yet offer an integrated phone in the U.S. Hopefully, they will figure it out.

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Oct 4, 2004 3:52:15 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Ando

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The "twin card" is actually NOT A DUPLICATE SIM card but a SIM card with a different phone number and different SIM card number but it receives the calls from your original number. Sorry, I can't explain it better and with regards to T Mobile in the US: a second SIM card is NO security risk (why should it be?), this is BS.

We have ONLY two card SIMs on all our phones because we hate swapping SIM cards when moving from one phone to the other. Some companies (maybe Orange in the UK too?) offer at no extra cost a second SIM card with a different phone number and a minimum "consumption" of a few Euro. For family members for example. Of course this means to make an additional contract but it really isn't expensive.

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Oct 4, 2004 4:51:35 PM

robbo: Pilot; Loc: essex, uk; Posts: 319, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 11, 2004; Reply to: RC

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RC I think you will find in the uk atleast vodafone will send you a duplicate sim (same number),so you can leave one in the car,one in your mobile phone, and no need to buy another contract or buy a "pay as you go" sim.Thats the easiest solution for people in the uk ,but only vodafone will currently offer this.

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Oct 4, 2004 5:15:53 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: robbo

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robbo said:
RC I think you will find in the uk atleast vodafone will send you a duplicate sim (same number),so you can leave one in the car,one in your mobile phone, and no need to buy another contract or buy a "pay as you go" sim.Thats the easiest solution for people in the uk ,but only vodafone will currently offer this.

Again: this is NOT a duplicate SIM card. Take both cards and compare the SIM number. Then, ask Vodafone about the phone number of each, you'll have a huge surprise.

The trick is: the SIM cars are programmed in a way that they "answer" both to your phone number but when caller id is activated, the "second" card usually displays it's "true" number when you call somebody. Also check the bill, sometimes both numbers appear on the bill.

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Oct 4, 2004 6:57:31 PM

pnoble: Co-Pilot; Loc: Short Hills, NJ , United States; Posts: 231, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 18, 2004; Reply to: Thom

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How is it that a near $100K car introduced in the fall of 2005, doesn't have Bluetooth connectivity? Porsche is not alone. BMW and Mercedes are not much better, but at least all their new cars have integrated Satellite Radio!

Really pathetic when you consider what Honda and Toyota offer in cars that cost less than a third of the price of a Porsche: bluetooth compatibility, voice driven SATNAV, Satellite radio, etc., and all standard.

FYI: here is a blog that covers Bluetooth in cars: http://bluetoothcar.typepad.com/main/ [url=http://http://bluetoothcar.typepad.com/main/]

Also, FYI, here is info on the Acura Bluetooth integration: [url=http://http://www.acura.com/models/model_comfort_handsfree.asp?module=tl]

For $35K you get a top of the line Acura TL with integrated Bluetooth phone with full display readout, XM Satellite Radio, voice driven SATNAV with 7 million restaurants, bank ATM's gas stations, etc (US version). Literally: "Find the nearest Mobil gas station" or "Show me a list of Italian restaurants in Springfield".

Meanwhile, I've just ordered a $93,000 C2S: phone integration doesn't work, Satellite Radio is not available - nowhere to put the antenna according the salesman, and SATNAV is manual, not even touchscreen and/or voice activated - both standard on the $24K Honda Accord my assistant just bought!

I guess it serves me right for being the snob I am for wanting to tool around in a Porsche!

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Oct 5, 2004 2:37:25 AM

Thom: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 65, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2003; Reply to: pnoble

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I couldn't agree more. It's pathetic--a company revered as one run by engineers and designers, it's a disgrace.

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Oct 5, 2004 11:22:20 AM

tso: Senior; Loc: Denmark , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 746, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2004; Reply to: RC

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Again: this is NOT a duplicate SIM card. Take both cards and compare the SIM number. Then, ask Vodafone about the phone number of each, you'll have a huge surprise.

The trick is: the SIM cars are programmed in a way that they "answer" both to your phone number but when caller id is activated, the "second" card usually displays it's "true" number when you call somebody. Also check the bill, sometimes both numbers appear on the bill.

Can confirm. I have a "twin" card as Orange likes to name it, and when calling it is not my usual number appearing as caller. Ingoing calls are simply diverted to the card I have in the car. With regards to invoices I am not aware how it is done....that the company takes care of

With regards to the US users, yes it is pathetic that P cannot offer a solution. This is not a new issue, the PCM has existed for years and apparently other brands are able to come up with solutions....Porsche you need to solve this matter.

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Oct 6, 2004 10:45:55 PM

Ando: Junior; Loc: London, England.; Posts: 99, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: stone

Re: Phone system

Quote:
stone said:
alternatively you can get a bluetooth system by your dealer for about 299 - then the car will recognise the phone and you can still use the hands free -

Is that from the Porsche dealer??

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Oct 6, 2004 10:56:14 PM

Ando: Junior; Loc: London, England.; Posts: 99, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: robbo

Re: Phone system

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robbo said:
Hi Ando i am having the same problem ,02 will not send me a duplicate sim card either suppose will have to buy a pay and go sim and divert the calls when i get in the 997.If not will have to pop the sim out and slot it in the car before doing any longish journeys.Either way its a pain in the arse,maybe we should all change to Vodafone as they do duplicate sims

I've spoken to Vodafone again to go ahead with the swap and they have confirmed that they will issue a 'second' sim (how ever it works!) BUT...it will go onto their old tariffs which means the inclusive 'minutes' will only be valid for calls to land-lines and other Vodafone users, all other calls will be charged at their (excessive) rates. I use over 500 minutes a month and most of them are 'cross network' so this would make the cost massive, I would estimate about Pounds200 per month. So basically it's still not resolved. There are ways, allegedly, of 'cloning' or 'copying' your own sim card but there are definite legal issues here, I'm not sure if the act of 'copying' is illegal or only if you are going to do it to defraud someone else's account, clearly not if it's your own account. Still confusing then.
Thanks for the replies, the car's only about three weeks away now and I would like to get it sorted!!!

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Oct 6, 2004 11:04:33 PM

Ando: Junior; Loc: London, England.; Posts: 99, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: Thom

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Thom said:
Quote:
GG said:
I was thinking about just getting a second phone (i.e. separate phone number) and just forwarding my main phone to the car phone when in the 997.

GG,

Forwarding calls gets very expensive. At $.40 a minute (AT&T) it adds up.

Hi Thom, Over here one can 'divert' calls to another phone, eg pager or another mobile, and with Orange at least, there is no charge, doesn't help me when I want to make calls though!!

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