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Oct 19, 2018 3:33:02 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005

Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

I just spent two days at Paul Ricard with our local Porsche Club . 8 x 30min sessions each day . Weather was good expect for a wet start on the first day , and we were not too many cars which made it confortable . On the second day, Porsche Cup France came to train on some sessions .

As usual, there was a whole variety of cars , and not only Porsche .

My RS has now 7'200 km since I got the car early August . Maybe I should drive less Smiley

Anyway, it is here to enjoy and I love it Smiley

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Oct 19, 2018 3:34:23 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

There were two of these . Honda engine , 270 HP , 600kg , faster then the Porsche Cup R

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Oct 19, 2018 3:35:48 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

This one was pretty impressive ...... meaning the car smiley

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Oct 19, 2018 3:38:12 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

And first time I saw this tire combo . Slicks on 19 inch rims on the GT3 RS . Impossible to follow this guy ! Car was also all prepared at MANTHEY

And his ' brother ' on the GT2 RS . On slicks and also full preparation

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Oct 19, 2018 3:39:59 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

A few GT2 RS were there as well

The women in red is a famous extreme free rider and wing suit flyer who has jumped from the Matthehorn and many other extreme places

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Oct 19, 2018 3:42:05 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Still waiting for my correct front hood . Should be here next month

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Oct 19, 2018 3:44:11 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Are Michelin' PS4 crap?

One 30 min only session destroyed this brand new tire on a GT4

The day before already two of these had been destroyed the same way surprise

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Oct 19, 2018 3:56:17 PM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Thanks for posting - great shots of cars and other beasts Smiley Smiley . bravo on the 7,200km Smiley .

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Oct 19, 2018 4:04:10 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: crayphile

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

So do you have extra tires to swap them?

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Oct 19, 2018 6:56:46 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5821, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Thanks for sharing the photos, Eric. It's nice to know that the GT3's are capable of running slicks on track.

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Oct 19, 2018 7:11:34 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Gauss

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Fantastic photos (in every respect). smiley

Thanks for sharing. kiss

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Oct 19, 2018 8:34:21 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8841, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: Rossi

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Great pics Eric thanks for sharing ! Glad to see you had a good time.

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Oct 19, 2018 9:55:01 PM

blueflame: Expert; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 1700, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 28, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Gnil:
Are Michelin' PS4 crap?

One 30 min only session destroyed this brand new tire on a GT4

The day before already two of these had been destroyed the same way

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Fantastic pics - thanks Smiley Smiley

My 4s tyre-set looked exactly the same after HOCKENHEIM.

I‘ve send pics of them to Michelin for a statement, after a first mail-contact.

Blueflame

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Oct 19, 2018 10:31:54 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: blueflame

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Great pics kiss must have been fun.. Le Castellet is a great track IMO.

Damn, maybe I should have come after all smiley

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Oct 20, 2018 6:13:05 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

SciFrog:
So do you have extra tires to swap them?

No, I don't for my car . The owner of that GT4 also came without extra tire so he called around . He finally found a set at Porsche Toulon after also asking Porsche Marseille and some independent tire shop .

Some people come with extra rims mounted with new tire . Others just pre order a set of new tire that are kept at the event for them . And then some guys come with a truck filled with all the necessary stuff , one had probably 4 different set of tire in reserve .

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Oct 20, 2018 6:16:24 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: blueflame

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

blueflame:
Gnil:
Are Michelin' PS4 crap?

One 30 min only session destroyed this brand new tire on a GT4

The day before already two of these had been destroyed the same way

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964 Carrera 4 -- 997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS

Fantastic pics - thanks

My 4s tyre-set looked exactly the same after HOCKENHEIM.

I‘ve send pics of them to Michelin for a statement, after a first mail-contact.

Blueflame

We concluded they need to be very inflated and do not handle anything bellow 2.2 at least .

Then, still , it is not normal they delaminate like this . I remember the photo of your tire . You should of seem the tire of the preceding dey, even worse then this one . The above one was used 30 minutes . That's it . And is destroyed . NOT NORMAL . Never had that with the PSS

Let me know what Michelin tells you .

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Oct 20, 2018 11:06:48 AM

DJM48: Expert; Loc: Australia , Australia; Posts: 1718, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2015; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Great photos!

wink

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Oct 20, 2018 12:09:10 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Gnil:
There were two of these . Honda engine , 270 HP , 600kg , faster then the Porsche Cup R

Thanks for the pictures, Gnil! Great event, looks like a lot of fun!

Is that a Norma?

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Oct 20, 2018 12:10:12 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Gnil:
This one was pretty impressive ...... meaning the car

Car?

Which car?!

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Oct 20, 2018 12:13:28 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Gnil:
blueflame:
Gnil:
Are Michelin' PS4 crap?

One 30 min only session destroyed this brand new tire on a GT4

The day before already two of these had been destroyed the same way

Fantastic pics - thanks

My 4s tyre-set looked exactly the same after HOCKENHEIM.

I‘ve send pics of them to Michelin for a statement, after a first mail-contact.

Blueflame

We concluded they need to be very inflated and do not handle anything bellow 2.2 at least .

Then, still , it is not normal they delaminate like this . I remember the photo of your tire . You should of seem the tire of the preceding dey, even worse then this one . The above one was used 30 minutes . That's it . And is destroyed . NOT NORMAL . Never had that with the PSS

Let me know what Michelin tells you .

As is the case with Blueflame´s tires, it amazes me that the delimitation only occurs on the outer shoulder of the tire. Hence, tire pressure and to a higher degree a lack of camber at the front axle seems to be the reason. At least that's how it looks to me.

Have these cars had a proper alignment prior to track driving? At least on the Carrera T I assume that the suspension geometry is rather aimed towards versatility than track usage.

That doesn't mean that these specific tires are more prone to delimitation but more camber would definitely spread the load more evenly onto the entire tread surface.

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Oct 20, 2018 1:07:41 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5821, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Ferdie:
Gnil:
There were two of these . Honda engine , 270 HP , 600kg , faster then the Porsche Cup R

Thanks for the pictures, Gnil! Great event, looks like a lot of fun!

Is that a Norma?

Yes, it's the M20FC.

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Oct 20, 2018 3:04:45 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Ferdie:
Gnil:
There were two of these . Honda engine , 270 HP , 600kg , faster then the Porsche Cup R

Thanks for the pictures, Gnil! Great event, looks like a lot of fun!

Is that a Norma?

Yes a Norma . Very interesting package. The owner of this one used to drive a GT3 RS . He's not going back Smiley

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Oct 20, 2018 3:06:06 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Ferdie:
Gnil:
This one was pretty impressive ...... meaning the car

Car?

Which car?!

Smiley Looked a bit out of place but pretty entertaining . Smiley

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Oct 20, 2018 3:11:57 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Ferdie:
. Hence, tire pressure and to a higher degree a lack of camber at the front axle seems to be the reason. At least that's how it looks to me.

That's also what we concluded .

Have these cars had a proper alignment prior to track driving? At least on the Carrera T I assume that the suspension geometry is rather aimed towards versatility than track usage.

That doesn't mean that these specific tires are more prone to delimitation but more camber would definitely spread the load more evenly onto the entire tread surface.

The car was on standard geometry ....... but still . Lots of people drive their cars with standard geometry on the track and they don't get the tire to delaminate . I drove many many tracks with my 997 Carrera S with non N rated PSS and standard alignment and never , ever, did the tire end up loosing bits of it .

On Michelin ' s defense , the tire were probably under inflated as it was the first session of the day and the guys sticked to Cup pressure recommendations . But still ...... should ne end up like this .

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Oct 21, 2018 8:10:13 AM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Gnil:
On Michelin ' s defense , the tire were probably under inflated as it was the first session of the day and the guys sticked to Cup pressure recommendations . But still ...... should ne end up like this .

cup pressure with slicks on road legal tyres Smiley I am missing something here.

I got some delamination as well on my first set of cup 2. I put that on the fact that the car was on stock setup which eats the external as crazy and on hot weather which doesn't help.

I have some alignement done and weather is cooling down, let's see how the wear will be now.

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Oct 21, 2018 9:07:53 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: the-missile

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the-missile:
cup pressure with slicks on road legal tyres I am missing something here.

I got some delamination as well on my first set of cup 2. I put that on the fact that the car was on stock setup which eats the external as crazy and on hot weather which doesn't help.

I have some alignement done and weather is cooling down, let's see how the wear will be now.

No ... that would be nuts Smiley

Cup... as in Cup 2 = 2 front , 2.2 back

Even with front camber at - 3 , I still get too much wear on the outside left when on a track like Paul Ricard .

But I never had delamination with cups , even when I had my set up stock

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Oct 21, 2018 10:35:21 AM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Gnil

No ... that would be nuts

Cup... as in Cup 2 = 2 front , 2.2 back

Even with front camber at - 3 , I still get too much wear on the outside left when on a track like Paul Ricard .

But I never had delamination with cups , even when I had my set up stock

I like to run on 2.0-2.1 front and 2.2-2.3 rear.

Michelin engineers were saying 2.2 square but don’t go below 2.2.

I will try to play with height as well. Camber, toe and sway bars configured already and still leaving on the table.

I want the nose to be more loaded.

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Oct 21, 2018 2:33:52 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: the-missile

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the-missile:
I like to run on 2.0-2.1 front and 2.2-2.3 rear.

Michelin engineers were saying 2.2 square but don’t go below 2.2.

I will try to play with height as well. Camber, toe and sway bars configured already and still leaving on the table.

I want the nose to be more loaded.

With Michelin I run also 2.0 front , max 2.1 and around 2.2 , max 2.3 at the back .

With the Dunlop I run slightly more . 2.1 max 2.2 front and 2.3, max 2.4 at the back . They work better this way .

My setting has the back higher then the front . This is a must on a 911 .

Camber at the front -3 and at the back -2.7

Sway bars standard but when I had the setting done, they told me I can play with they and try different settings without changing camber nor toe . I have not done it yet .

My noise feel much more planted then the stock setting . On some corners I could also use more .... but then maybe the back would start the loosen too much ....

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Oct 21, 2018 4:45:39 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

Do you know how many millimeter between front and rear?

did you lift the rear or lower the front?

@whoopsy, what is your input on this?

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Oct 22, 2018 6:25:56 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: the-missile

Re: Track photos , Paul Ricard october 2018

the-missile:
Do you know how many millimeter between front and rear?

did you lift the rear or lower the front?

@whoopsy, what is your input on this?

No, sorry, don't know anymore .

My setting was done at Manthey Racing . With their knowledge and experience I trust that they did what is best . Many seem to just try some random settings , which is not necessarily bad if you have the time and willingness to go back and try again until you find what is the best for you .

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