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Sep 4, 2004 10:46:20 PM
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Carlos from Spain
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Re: More Pictures of my 997 Carrera S
Great photos RC! black on black is definately my preference.
I'm worried about ground clearance at the front vs my current RoWM030 with the aerokit low bumper, but judging from the photos, mine is lower at the front. The -20mm 997S looks to be equivalent to mine without the front bottom lip
I'm worried about ground clearance at the front vs my current RoWM030 with the aerokit low bumper, but judging from the photos, mine is lower at the front. The -20mm 997S looks to be equivalent to mine without the front bottom lip
Sep 4, 2004 11:01:04 PM
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RC, terrific pictures. Is your Carrera S your daily driver now versus the Cayenne Turbo? Your car looks great. How has it been to drive? I have read your other posts. I look forward to your further comments on the 997. Happy driving.
I wrote two reports about my 997 Carrera S experience and I think I said all what has to be said. Of course the ownership experience continues and I'll write an updated report sooner or later but right now, both reports are pretty accurate. Maybe I should add that the Michelin Pilot 2 tires seem to contribute very much in the superb handling. Sticky like glue, only good semi-slicks can be better in my opinion.
No, the 997 Carrera S is not my daily driver, it is my weekend/spare time fun car. Whenever I have a free hour or so, I drive it. Some kind of stress therapy.
It would be my daily driver without the kids if my clients/customers would accept it. But I think driving with the 997 Carrera S to work would offend a lot of people and this wouldn't be too good for business. The Cayenne Turbo already stirred up the feelings, especially since there has been a stupid discussion about "luxurious" SUVs in Germany.
But since I have no Turbo badge on my Cayenne Turbo and since people somehow know that VW was involved in the Cayenne project, I usually tell people that I drive the V6 and that I didn't like the local VW service because I actually wanted to go for a Touareg...which is in fact the same car, just with a VW badge on it.
I have no choice, I have to lie to people because otherwise they turn their back on my business. 
This is Germany...we have a lot of envy issues, especially lately because of the high unemployment figure and the "nice" press media.
Sep 4, 2004 11:48:01 PM
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Hey RC...i still dont get that envy stuff...
By the way...you replyed to me in a threat about steering wheel and you said "the flux of information should be arround next week" when i asked about the carrera s sports steering wheel with multi-function buttons and with finish in either carbon or alumunium.
What can we expect???
Oh, did you already tried the new slk55??...you said that you we're kind dissaponted with the slk200 if i'm not mistaken..
Woshhhhh...
By the way...you replyed to me in a threat about steering wheel and you said "the flux of information should be arround next week" when i asked about the carrera s sports steering wheel with multi-function buttons and with finish in either carbon or alumunium.
What can we expect???
Oh, did you already tried the new slk55??...you said that you we're kind dissaponted with the slk200 if i'm not mistaken..
Woshhhhh...
Sep 5, 2004 12:04:03 AM
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Re: More Pictures of my 997 Carrera S
I'll get more information about Exclusive stuff over the next few weeks.
Regarding the SLK55: no, I had no chance (and no time) to drive the SLK55 but I'm not even sure it is already available at dealerships in Germany. I saw a SLK55 a few weeks ago but it was a factory car (LB license plate).
Regarding the SLK55: no, I had no chance (and no time
) to drive the SLK55 but I'm not even sure it is already available at dealerships in Germany. I saw a SLK55 a few weeks ago but it was a factory car (LB license plate).
Re: More Pictures of my 997 Carrera S
Hey, RC, check your private messages!
Your'e car looks absolutely gorgeous, I love it, but can't love it as much as you do or more because I do not have a 997 yet. Waiting for the 997 Turbo, still trying to figure out when it will be here too?
Anyways, congrats once again, and gorgeous car, crazy world we live in too!
Your'e car looks absolutely gorgeous, I love it, but can't love it as much as you do or more because I do not have a 997 yet. Waiting for the 997 Turbo, still trying to figure out when it will be here too?
Anyways, congrats once again, and gorgeous car, crazy world we live in too!
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RC, Thank you. I did not realize that there are issues regarding envy. WOW!! I did notice that your Cayenne Turbo had on script on the back. I gather nobody looks at the front of the Cayenne to realize the differences. Do people in Germany get that upset about what people drive to work? I can understand not driving the Carrera S to work on a regular basis for that reason, but not the Cayenne Turbo. Like you I did not drive my 996 Turbo to work nor did I ever drive the 360 to work for the same reason. And yes I did read your other posts, terrific. I completely enjoyed them. Thank you again.
Sep 5, 2004 12:59:28 AM
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RC said:... But I think driving with the 997 Carrera S to work would offend a lot of people and this wouldn't be too good for business. The Cayenne Turbo already stirred up the feelings, especially since there has been a stupid discussion about "luxurious" SUVs in Germany.
But since I have no Turbo badge on my Cayenne Turbo and since people somehow know that VW was involved in the Cayenne project, I usually tell people that I drive the V6 and that I didn't like the local VW service because I actually wanted to go for a Touareg...which is in fact the same car, just with a VW badge on it.
This surprises me in Germany. I understand the rasons you mention, but still, Germany is the land of performance automobiles and most who drive them do it for the sport and not as poseurs.
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his surprises me in Germany. I understand the rasons you mention, but still, Germany is the land of performance automobiles and most who drive them do it for the sport and not as poseurs.
I'm not born in Germany and I lived many years in Eastern Europe. Did school in Switzerland and I've seen this and that and met a lot of interesting people, including people who might be considered terrorists nowadays and maybe with a reason. So I learned a lot about different mentalities, beliefs and little annoyances or positive things specific to certain nationalities, religions, etc.
All I can say is that Germans are among those who show a very strong envy and what surprises me most is the fact that those people aren't poor people who don't have anything to eat but pretty wealthy people who don't even know what a good life they have.
Germany is the country where people remove the model designation badges from their cars to make neighbours, friends and customers/clients believe that they drive the cheapest model, for example a Mercedes S class or BMW 7series.
I have so called friends who accuse me of destroying the environment and taking away the air to breathe from their kids (no kidding!!!) because I drive a Porsche Cayenne which uses so much fuel. And when me and CR mentioned lately in a private discussion at my house (we had a party) that we drove 340+ kph on an empty Autobahn for half a day just for fun and testing, it is magic that people didn't lynch us instantly. And these are people who drive BMW 5-series, Mini Cooper S, etc.
Germany isn't what it was anymore but the cause isn't necessarily the people but the press media. If you're reading every single day how the rich people get richer and the poor people poorer (poor in Germany means: driving a Mercedes, owning your own house, taking a 3 week vacation to some exotic place every year...
), no wonder people start to believe that crap. I also read the comments about car prices in Germany, I mean nobody forces a customer to buy a BMW 1series for 35000 Euro, right? But of course people aren't satisfied with a VW Golf and they want to show to their neighbors that they're actually not that poor. I know I might simplify things a little bit but envy has become part of the german mentality and everyday life and it is very sad.Another (last) example to make you understand how far this "illness" goes: the son of my the owner of my Porsche dealership can't drive a Porsche "officially" because customers and neighbours would comment about this.
I didn't believe my ears when I heard that and it is true, when customers saw him in a Boxster, they immediately made negative comments. Unbelievable! I mean what should he drive, a Skoda?
Of course he drives all kind of Porsche models now but of course not privately, at least not "officially". It is the same with my neighbours (one of them drives a 996 Targa and others BMW 7series, Jaguar XJ, Audi A8 and so on): they always make stupid comments, especially when I take home cars for testing. Lucky me, one of them was once in Weissach on a tourist tour when he saw me at the Casino inside the facility talking to a Porsche VIP. As a visitor he got a visitor's badge with a red border and he immediately observed that I had a badge with a picture attached to my belt. He greeted me and walked away with his group. What he didn't know: the badge on my belt was the badge of the guy I was having lunch with , he went to the restroom and forgot it at the table and I put it on my belt so I don't forget to give it back to him.
Since then, my neighbors think I'm working for Porsche and no more stupid comments. 
Neighbour gossip... And we also have a lot of poseures here in Germany, no doubt about it. But the most dangerous thing is: 90% think they drive good or very good but they don't care about the car's technical basis, tire pressures, setups, etc.
A very good example: Hockenheim Kleiner Kurs. I was once there in my 996 Turbo (already tuned to over 543 HP) and did a few laps, the best lap time was 1 min 19,x sec. This isn't spectacular but maybe you should compare it to this: during most club races, the best lap times are in the 1 min 30,x range. I'm talking about serious amateur racing, not just fun driving like I did. Also interesting: some cars which do 1 min 30,x + sec. times (up to 1 min 40,x sec.) are heavily modified and have up to 600 HP and more.
Also interesting: there are some 996 with OEM power among them and they do times below 1 min 20,x sec.
You see: we Germans aren't perfect at all and despite the fact that we build very nice sportscars, we're far away from being THE nation of sportscar drivers. And the envy stuff "eats" us all, it destroys friendships, it destroys businesses and finally it doesn't get anywhere.
We have a serious economic crisis right now and all our beloved government and press can do is criticizing the US government for lowering taxes. I wish they'd do the same here, business would surely boom. But with former eastern european countries joining the EC, a lot of companies are planning to move their production facilities from Germany to those ex-communist countries. What is good for Poland, the Czech republic, Hungary, etc. and the soon to be EC members Romania, Bulgaria, etc. is very bad for Germany and other EC countries regarding unemployment. We have very strict working laws and a bureaucracy which is unbelievable, especially in times when extra money isn't available. I suppose we Germans will learn our "lesson" the hard way.
Sorry for the long off-topic post, I just got carried away...
Sep 5, 2004 1:45:41 PM
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Very nice photos RC. I like your car!
The comparison of the 993 and 356 was revealing. We talk a lot about the 997 having styling qualities of the 993 but, in comparing to the 356, I believe the 997 stylists borrowed as much or more from that design. Maybe "borrowed" isn't the word, but the nose of the 356 and the 997 seem to have many similar design cues.
German neighbors and business clients are envious? I understand what you mean. We have the same problem here to varying degrees. My problem is more with employees. I heard that our IT department had a new unit of measure for how much things cost; the Cayenne. For example: how much would a new dual Xenon server with drive array cost? About 3/4 Cayenne!
The comparison of the 993 and 356 was revealing. We talk a lot about the 997 having styling qualities of the 993 but, in comparing to the 356, I believe the 997 stylists borrowed as much or more from that design. Maybe "borrowed" isn't the word, but the nose of the 356 and the 997 seem to have many similar design cues.
German neighbors and business clients are envious? I understand what you mean. We have the same problem here to varying degrees. My problem is more with employees. I heard that our IT department had a new unit of measure for how much things cost; the Cayenne. For example: how much would a new dual Xenon server with drive array cost? About 3/4 Cayenne!
Sep 5, 2004 2:35:02 PM
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Thanks for the write up, very enlightening . fanch also mentioned the same "envy" bad blood going around in france too . When people act this way, as you said it too, the feeling of envy eats them up alive.
As Gary mention, we have degrees of "envy" in the U.S. too but it mostly comes across in a joking way and I never felt uncomfortable driving my car in the neighborhood or so forth. Actually my neighbors love to get a ride in my car may be I'm just lucky 
but RC, I feel for you my friend.
Your Dad having a Porsche dealership and you can't drive one is unheard of
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We should appreciate the magnitutde of good luck we all have in the States.
. fanch also mentioned the same "envy" bad blood going around in france too . When people act this way, as you said it too, the feeling of envy eats them up alive.As Gary mention, we have degrees of "envy" in the U.S. too but it mostly comes across in a joking way and I never felt uncomfortable driving my car in the neighborhood or so forth. Actually my neighbors love to get a ride in my car
may be I'm just lucky but RC, I feel for you my friend.Your Dad having a Porsche dealership and you can't drive one is unheard of
.We should appreciate the magnitutde of good luck we all have in the States.
Sep 5, 2004 3:27:57 PM
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RC,
I share your opinion on most comments. Anyways, your view might be biased due to your current place of living. Several areas in Germany are poor and employment rate is quite a difficult issue - for all kinds of professions and ages! This might still be a little different in the South of Germany!
Anyways, you're right about enviness - and it is a well-known observe in psychology by now that people feel much worse about losing a certain amount of money than feeling happy if receiving the same amount. I am not in the position to afford a CGT right now and still feel quite comfortable with my life. It's a mind thing...
Greetings!
I share your opinion on most comments. Anyways, your view might be biased due to your current place of living. Several areas in Germany are poor and employment rate is quite a difficult issue - for all kinds of professions and ages! This might still be a little different in the South of Germany!
Anyways, you're right about enviness - and it is a well-known observe in psychology by now that people feel much worse about losing a certain amount of money than feeling happy if receiving the same amount. I am not in the position to afford a CGT right now and still feel quite comfortable with my life. It's a mind thing...
Greetings!
Re: More Pictures of my 997 Carrera S
very interesting post RC.
i have some comments about "envy" in germany. i grew up in former east germany, i was 16 when the wall came down and i live in the US for 5 years now. when i left, there where many things that i didn't like about germany, of which many, turned out to be just as difficult here (thats another discussion in itself) but one of all the things that i learned to be "a bit strange" in germany only after i moved here to the US, is this wide spread tendency to envy other people's "things" and judge other peoples desicions, basically envy their entire life.
like you said, strangely enough, there doesn't seem to be a correlation between the wealth of people that envy, and the wealth of those that are the subject of the envy.
here in the US, yes, ther might be some envy here and there, but for the most part, people who have less, look up to those that have more, dreaming of becomming as, or even more sucessfull as the one they feel has more. to me, this seems more logical.
in germany, i think that the biggest reason for people to envy others, is that this seems to be some way of blaming others for the shortcomings one has. in germany, if one drives a cayenne turbo, people basically want the same thing, and blame the other guy for the fact that they, for whatever reason, aren't able to do that. or, in other cases, if one drives a cayenne turbo and the other drives a BMW 525, the cayenne guy, might even complain about the guy driving the BMW, just because the cayenne guy "wants" the BMW guy to be less sucessfull, so there is a bigger "gap" between the two.
again, here in the US, people ignore each others wealth for the most part, and this was something i had to learn from scratch but cherish now. and thats why i pick up my 997S on tusday, and i have no bad feelings about it, and even better, my neighbor doesn't give a [censored]... :-)
anyways, i just wanted to contribute my 2c to the story. well written RC!
thanks,
-r
i have some comments about "envy" in germany. i grew up in former east germany, i was 16 when the wall came down and i live in the US for 5 years now. when i left, there where many things that i didn't like about germany, of which many, turned out to be just as difficult here (thats another discussion in itself) but one of all the things that i learned to be "a bit strange" in germany only after i moved here to the US, is this wide spread tendency to envy other people's "things" and judge other peoples desicions, basically envy their entire life.
like you said, strangely enough, there doesn't seem to be a correlation between the wealth of people that envy, and the wealth of those that are the subject of the envy.
here in the US, yes, ther might be some envy here and there, but for the most part, people who have less, look up to those that have more, dreaming of becomming as, or even more sucessfull as the one they feel has more. to me, this seems more logical.
in germany, i think that the biggest reason for people to envy others, is that this seems to be some way of blaming others for the shortcomings one has. in germany, if one drives a cayenne turbo, people basically want the same thing, and blame the other guy for the fact that they, for whatever reason, aren't able to do that. or, in other cases, if one drives a cayenne turbo and the other drives a BMW 525, the cayenne guy, might even complain about the guy driving the BMW, just because the cayenne guy "wants" the BMW guy to be less sucessfull, so there is a bigger "gap" between the two.
again, here in the US, people ignore each others wealth for the most part, and this was something i had to learn from scratch but cherish now. and thats why i pick up my 997S on tusday, and i have no bad feelings about it, and even better, my neighbor doesn't give a [censored]... :-)
anyways, i just wanted to contribute my 2c to the story. well written RC!
thanks,
-r
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