Oct 9, 2008 12:40:13 PM
- Ron (Houston)
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Oct 9, 2008 12:40:13 PM
Oct 9, 2008 12:55:17 PM
Oct 9, 2008 2:23:10 PM
Oct 9, 2008 4:57:06 PM
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JoeRockhead said:
If this is a car designed to be driven by anyone, anywhere, why do they need to give lessons to people on the special technique required to drive the GT-R? Combine that with the warranty issues and it really doesn't seem like it would be that much fun to own one.
FWIW, it's funny how they bill Toshio Suzuki as an ex-Formula 1 driver. His career spanned a whopping 2 races and he didn't score any points, although he did manage to finish both.
This whole thing is getting ridiculous.
Oct 9, 2008 4:59:46 PM
Oct 9, 2008 7:44:18 PM
Oct 9, 2008 9:04:21 PM
Oct 9, 2008 9:09:19 PM
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Marwan Arakji said:
I'm sorry guys... I think it's pretty sad and pathetic how Porsche is handling this whole thing... I believe if Nissan said they did it, it means they DID IT... what Porsche should be doing is refining their TT and taking down the GT-R, before the GT-R V is out soon, and before it decimates whatever Porsche has to say... the V should have 50 bhp more, and 250 kgs less... it will squash the TT and the the GT2... get it together Porsche and stop being a cry-baby, or like a famous man on TV once said: "girly man"! hehehe
Oct 9, 2008 9:20:18 PM
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reginos said:
http://www.speedsportlife.com/2008/10/01/avoidable-contact-17-cheating-nissan-bitter-porsche/
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Walter said:Quote:
reginos said:
http://www.speedsportlife.com/2008/10/01/avoidable-contact-17-cheating-nissan-bitter-porsche/
I stopped reading after this paragraph:
First, there was the pretty-hard-to-believe 7:38 time which the fine journalists at Edmunds advertised, excuse me, reported, followed by the no-really-you-have-to-be-kidding 7:34 time, and finally the don't-insult-our-collective-intelligence 7:29 shared with the world in a breathless press release a few months later. The Nissan media blitz was so successful that when Horst von Saurma obtained a 7:50 time from a real production GT-R, it went virtually unreported by the major automotive rags. Where'd those twenty-one seconds between von Saurma's drive and Nissan's "test" come from?
Von Saurma didn't test a production GT-R. He tested a pre-production GT-R and clocked a 7:50. I think that he tested the GT-R the same day when Suzuki did the 7:38.
Oct 10, 2008 5:54:44 AM
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Walter said:Quote:
reginos said:
http://www.speedsportlife.com/2008/10/01/avoidable-contact-17-cheating-nissan-bitter-porsche/
I stopped reading after this paragraph:
Oct 10, 2008 7:32:03 AM
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Ron (Houston) said:
http://jalopnik.com/5060960/nissan-offic...driving-lessons
Oct 10, 2008 7:33:54 AM
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SadoTorque said:
Nissan: You can't drive for sh*t
Porsche: No you didn't. Lets have a dance off. Cue the music.
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Pentium said:
Good/decent article (http://www.speedsportlife.com/2008/10/01/avoidable-contact-17-cheating-nissan-bitter-porsche/ ):
"Let's take a moment to talk about lap times. Consider the following: Last year, I set the fastest Spec Focus lap at the NASA National Championships at 1:45.620. At this year's Champs, the best lap was 1:48.170, despite the fact that the Spec Focus rules now allow wider tires and lower suspension. Do you really think I'm two and a half seconds better than the best guy was this year, particularly considering that he was driving a better-equipped car? Of course not. Mid-Ohio was slow this year because it rained the day before and washed the rubber off the track, taking a couple of seconds off everybody's lap. Consider, if you will, that on a track the length of the 'Ring the equivalent rain-washing time gap would be nine and a half seconds. Lap times set on different days, under different conditions, simply aren't comparable. It's that simple. Some days are hot, some days are cool, some days there's rubber on the track, some days there's oil. The same competent driver, in the same car, might have a fifteen-second variation from one 'Ring session to the next. Think about that."
Oct 10, 2008 1:44:18 PM
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Walter said:Quote:
reginos said:
http://www.speedsportlife.com/2008/10/01/avoidable-contact-17-cheating-nissan-bitter-porsche/
I stopped reading after this paragraph:
That's a pity, because it is really quite a good read.
Oct 10, 2008 8:17:00 PM
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Ron (Houston) said:
http://jalopnik.com/5060960/nissan-offic...driving-lessons
Oct 10, 2008 8:20:37 PM
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Marwan Arakji said:
I'm sorry guys... I think it's pretty sad and pathetic how Porsche is handling this whole thing... I believe if Nissan said they did it, it means they DID IT... what Porsche should be doing is refining their TT and taking down the GT-R, before the GT-R V is out soon, and before it decimates whatever Porsche has to say... the V should have 50 bhp more, and 250 kgs less... it will squash the TT and the the GT2... get it together Porsche and stop being a cry-baby, or like a famous man on TV once said: "girly man"! hehehe
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amjf088 said:
Nurburgring times are really a pretty silly benchmark given the great amount of variability of conditions overlaid with numerous opportunities for gamesmanship. As the article opined: No one has cheated, because there are no rules.