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    Oct 8, 2008 7:36:35 AM

    skazzy
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    Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

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    Nissan is gathering evidence in Tokyo before unleashing a rebuttal of Porsche's claims that its GT-R could not have achieved a claimed 7 minute 25 second lap at the Nurburgring as a stock-standard road car.
    It has deliberately avoided commenting until it has everything ready to prove its point.
    But Nissan was angered by Porsche's attack on its GT-R, which came after the German company ran a back-to-back comparison with its 911 GT2 and Turbo and could not get within 25 seconds of the Japanese lap record for a production car.
    There were talks late last week at the Paris Motor Show as Nissan executives tried to negotiate a back-room compromise with Porsche, but these failed with the German company standing by its claims.
    This forced Nissan to mount a major case with everything from independent video footage to the disputed Dunlop tyres used by former F1 driver Toshio Suzuki during his 7:25 run.

    Oct 8, 2008 8:02:13 AM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

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    Nissan executives tried to negotiate a back-room compromise with Porsche, but these failed with the German company standing by its claims.
    This forced Nissan to mount a major case with everything from independent video footage to the disputed Dunlop tyres used by former F1 driver Toshio Suzuki during his 7:25 run.





    Hahahahaha

    Oct 8, 2008 8:31:05 AM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    This is war!

    Oct 8, 2008 8:55:46 AM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

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    Nissan executives tried to negotiate a back-room compromise with Porsche, but these failed with the German company standing by its claims.
    This forced Nissan to mount a major case with everything from independent video footage to the disputed Dunlop tyres used by former F1 driver Toshio Suzuki during his 7:25 run.





    Hahahahaha



    indeed, "backroom compromise"??? that sounds like a plea bargain...

    Nissan: "we'll scratch your back if you scratch ours on this and let our NRing claim slip by"....
    Porsche: "nein, it is nicht pozzible, zou are inexact in vour meazurmentz!!"

    Oct 8, 2008 9:31:51 AM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    Here we go again

    Oct 8, 2008 9:32:02 AM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    LOL, now we're talking!
    Good news that this is taken seriously. That means that both companies are really putting effort in it. Porsche will have to proof their accusations. Reminds me of that commercials battle between audi and bmw...
    -Joost-

    Oct 8, 2008 10:16:23 AM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

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    Here we go again

    Oct 8, 2008 10:53:08 AM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

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    Here we go again


    I love it !

    Oct 8, 2008 11:13:30 AM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    This is great! You know who is the guy sweating at the moment? Poor old Walter! Afterall it is he who tanked the time of the Nissan on pupose when he drove it! :P

    Oct 8, 2008 12:55:26 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    except Walter was not driving.

    Oct 8, 2008 2:08:10 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    I'm happy this is being taken seriously. at least we will know the truth. the gtr bashing will either stop for good by die hard porsche fans or we will all agree that the nissan is crap

    Oct 8, 2008 2:16:32 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    So what does this end up with? Porsche and Nissan each providing a particular car with a factory driver at the wheel battling for the best laptime?

    Oct 8, 2008 2:20:39 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

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    So what does this end up with? Porsche and Nissan each providing a particular car with a factory driver at the wheel battling for the best laptime?



    Yes! Isn't it exciting?

    Oct 8, 2008 2:45:32 PM

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    So what does this end up with? Porsche and Nissan each providing a particular car with a factory driver at the wheel battling for the best laptime?



    Yes! Isn't it exciting?



    Hahaha - would love to watch the High Noon encounter at the 'Ring

    Oct 8, 2008 2:51:13 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

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    I'm happy this is being taken seriously. at least we will know the truth. the gtr bashing will either stop for good by die hard porsche fans or we will all agree that the nissan is crap



    The answer is in the middle!
    Definitely not crap but not the car from God many make it to be.

    A very competent performance car at a very low price with certain development/reliability issues.

    This is how it will be remembered in 2-3 years time.

    Oct 8, 2008 3:18:26 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    How about an episode of pinks?

    Oct 8, 2008 3:42:51 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    Surely the ultimate test is to give the GTR to Clarkson and the 911 to Hammond, and let them battle it out on a track?!

    You couldn't get a more independant test!

    Oct 8, 2008 4:23:05 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    What 7.25 run? Are the two published runs not 7.38 and then 7.29 (different suspension set-up and dunlops)?

    Oct 8, 2008 4:30:18 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    cool....brint it on

    Oct 8, 2008 5:02:05 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    I think the backroom compromise went more like:

    "Frantz, print a retraction"

    "Nein, Hiroto-san"

    "Frantz, we'll be forced to make you look stupid because we have the evidence and then we'll start coming directly after you customer base"

    "Nein, nein, nein ... "

    WWW III Germany vs Japan - get your popcorn folks.

    Oct 8, 2008 5:35:15 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

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    Nissan is gathering evidence in Tokyo before unleashing a rebuttal of Porsche's claims that its GT-R could not have achieved a claimed 7 minute 25 second lap at the Nurburgring as a stock-standard road car.
    It has deliberately avoided commenting until it has everything ready to prove its point.
    But Nissan was angered by Porsche's attack on its GT-R, which came after the German company ran a back-to-back comparison with its 911 GT2 and Turbo and could not get within 25 seconds of the Japanese lap record for a production car.
    There were talks late last week at the Paris Motor Show as Nissan executives tried to negotiate a back-room compromise with Porsche, but these failed with the German company standing by its claims.
    This forced Nissan to mount a major case with everything from independent video footage to the disputed Dunlop tyres used by former F1 driver Toshio Suzuki during his 7:25 run.





    Oct 8, 2008 5:49:45 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

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    skazzy said:
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    Nissan is gathering evidence in Tokyo before unleashing a rebuttal of Porsche's claims that its GT-R could not have achieved a claimed 7 minute 25 second lap at the Nurburgring as a stock-standard road car.
    It has deliberately avoided commenting until it has everything ready to prove its point.
    But Nissan was angered by Porsche's attack on its GT-R, which came after the German company ran a back-to-back comparison with its 911 GT2 and Turbo and could not get within 25 seconds of the Japanese lap record for a production car.
    There were talks late last week at the Paris Motor Show as Nissan executives tried to negotiate a back-room compromise with Porsche, but these failed with the German company standing by its claims.
    This forced Nissan to mount a major case with everything from independent video footage to the disputed Dunlop tyres used by former F1 driver Toshio Suzuki during his 7:25 run.









    This is going to get really interesting really soon.

    Oct 8, 2008 8:16:34 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    This is a PR disaster waiting to happen for Nissan.
    It is a classic lose-lose situation, because unless Nissan does the impossible under extreme scrutiny at NBR, they will forever be referred to as untrustworthy and "remember that GTR-NBR claim they had? HAhaha...".
    I believe Porsche will never ever go out on a limb unless they are absolutely 100% sure of their claim. Why would they?
    Hence for Nissan this is an uphill battle.
    If I were them I would simply let this go, and let fans decide what they believe.
    If they actually decide on a showdown, I would really, really hate being the driver destined to drive that GTR. Talk about pressure. A lot of Nissan's believability hinges on his performance. Brrrrr...

    Oct 8, 2008 11:50:40 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

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    This is a PR disaster waiting to happen for Nissan.
    It is a classic lose-lose situation, because unless Nissan does the impossible under extreme scrutiny at NBR, they will forever be referred to as untrustworthy and "remember that GTR-NBR claim they had? HAhaha...".
    I believe Porsche will never ever go out on a limb unless they are absolutely 100% sure of their claim. Why would they?
    Hence for Nissan this is an uphill battle.
    If I were them I would simply let this go, and let fans decide what they believe.
    If they actually decide on a showdown, I would really, really hate being the driver destined to drive that GTR. Talk about pressure. A lot of Nissan's believability hinges on his performance. Brrrrr...



    they should find an impartial driver then, maybe The Stig

    Oct 9, 2008 5:55:11 AM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

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    This is a PR disaster waiting to happen for Nissan.
    It is a classic lose-lose situation, because unless Nissan does the impossible under extreme scrutiny at NBR, they will forever be referred to as untrustworthy...



    ...Nissan CLEARLY lied,...

    ...as Japanese ALWAYS cheat, when introducing a hiperformance car. Japanese lied in the past, lie today for GTR and WILL lie again...

    The truth is simple. When introducing the new sports car they get the numbers for the car in NONSTOCK configuration (more powerfull engine, unrestricted NONstock engine programming and etc...). Then they claim these NONstock numbers for their LESS powerfull/restricted STOCK cars in their PR campaign to make more money of the suckers on the market, buying their lies/cars...

    ...Nissan may show record time video on the Nring, BUT this video will NEVER disclose car engine hp stock/nonstock car configuration and other internal details...

    I'm pretty sure Nissan's 7 minute 25 second lap time at the Nurburgring was true, but for a NONstock much more powerfull GTR (more hp and specifically tuned...)


    OZRacing

    Oct 9, 2008 10:03:09 AM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    Carsguide Article

    Oct 9, 2008 10:12:07 AM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    Mizuno: "The GT-R was designed from the start to be a supercar that could be driven anywhere, anytime and by anyone."
    So why would drivers from Porsche need special training to get the most out of this car? This makes no sense.

    IMO the Japs are full of BS.
    Let's see how this ends

    Oct 9, 2008 10:18:59 AM

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    "It is also offering video footage shot by the Japanese magazine 'Best Motoring" during the high-speed runs."

    "Best Motoring" videos are the best

    Oct 9, 2008 10:39:04 AM

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    "Best Motoring" videos are the best



    It's in the name...

    Oct 9, 2008 12:16:59 PM

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    Re: Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim

    I'm also inclined to believe that "corporate culture" is at work here. Using non-production vehicles for magazine tests and other "promotional" purposes wasn't invented yesterday. Nissan's executives and advertising people probably saw this as another means of enhancing "market share" no different than dumping product below cost to crush the competition. Since their is no honor in modern corporate culture (need I give examples??) Nissan was probably taken aback by Porsche's white glove slap, and hence the need to "negotiate" rather than resort to pistols at dawn.
     
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