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AUM said:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/gt3-gt2-gt/140564-new-stable-mate-gt3-gtr.html
Verdict:
GTR is faster and a better DD
GT3 is slower but more fun
And surely fun is the main reason we buy sports cars?
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AUM said:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/gt3-gt2-gt/140564-new-stable-mate-gt3-gtr.html
Verdict:
GTR is faster and a better DD
GT3 is slower but more fun
And surely fun is the main reason we buy sports cars?
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WAY said:
Shin I am with you. And now the Euro car lovers are talking about comparing a GT-R to a GT2! That is laughable. Nissan never made the GTR to compete against a GT2. At a third of the price, why would you even put them in the same sentence. That is what the V-spec is for and I have no doubt the V-spec will blow the GT2 away and might even be "fun" in doing so!
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shin said:
Funny how it's suddenly about the fun factor when it comes to the GT-R, whereas everywhere else on this board the talk is about 0-60 time and track times ?
What is the name of that longest river in africa again ?
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WAY said:
Shin I am with you. And now the Euro car lovers are talking about comparing a GT-R to a GT2! That is laughable. Nissan never made the GTR to compete against a GT2. At a third of the price, why would you even put them in the same sentence. That is what the V-spec is for and I have no doubt the V-spec will blow the GT2 away and might even be "fun" in doing so!
) to pay top prices for the best quality. Nissan is cheap but second best 
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MKSGR said:
The Nissan fans are talking phantasie numbers and are repeating Nissan marketing claims. In contrast, cars like the GT2, Scuderia etc. have already *proven* their capabilities in independant tests.
In the end the Nissan (including the V-spec) might be a capable car. However, it is definitively an offer for those who are not able (or "willing"
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AUM said:
The GT2 is faster in a straight line than the GTR but the track times. based on the tests so far, are very close. It is quite astonishing that the heavy Nissan can keep up with the ultimate 911 on a track.
The GTR will also be slower than the standard 997TT (FL) at the time it will be finally sold in Germany. You are comparing a car available in 12 months with cars that are already driving on the streets. That does not make much sense. We should then also speculate about the lap times of the 997TT FL and 997GT3 Mk2 
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MKSGR said:
Believing that the GTR (or the V-Spec) can be compared to GT2 or Scuderia is like believing in Santa Claus... The GTR is heavy (1750kg+), has just 480hp and also comes with a AWD. I repeat it again and again: anybody who believes in this BS lacks experience and/or judgement. Sorry for the harsh words. I am sure the Supertest will confirm my theory.
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Walter said:
What do you think would happen if the GT-R gets a set of Michelin Cup tires? What would happen if the GT2 had the Dunlop runflats?
Aug 31, 2008 9:27:43 PM
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MKSGR said:Quote:
AUM said:
The GT2 is faster in a straight line than the GTR but the track times. based on the tests so far, are very close. It is quite astonishing that the heavy Nissan can keep up with the ultimate 911 on a track.
The only significant test I know is the one done by Alain Prost for Quattroroute. In this test the GTR sucks badly compared to Scuderia, GT2 and LP560-4.
Believing that the GTR (or the V-Spec) can be compared to GT2 or Scuderia is like believing in Santa Claus... The GTR is heavy (1750kg+), has just 480hp and also comes with a AWD. I repeat it again and again: anybody who believes in this BS lacks experience and/or judgement. Sorry for the harsh words. I am sure the Supertest will confirm my theory.
P.S.: The summary table linked into the above post is basically structured as follows: NBR lap time based on Nissan factory *claim*, "Willow" lap times from Road&Track (the test where they stated that the GT2 suspension was too soft (!) and where LP560-4 and R8 were also quicker than GT2 on these "Willow" tracks... Also, the table leaves out the remaining lap times in the R&T test where the GT2 was faster than the GTR. i.e. this table is drawn up for readers who are easily mislead by BS), the GTR is slower in all remaining tests quoted.
Thus, only part of the R&T test supports your above statement regarding GTR and GT2. All other available tests and also the rest of the R&T test contradict it. Would you accept bets that the GTR will be much slower than the GT2 in the Sportauto Supertest
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AUM said:
The GTR was designed to compete with the 997 Turbo, not the GT2.
The GTR is faster than the Turbo on most tracks despite being a little slower in a straight line at higher speeds
http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=4717b80e35715&car2=4585844a79f19
Anyone who dismisses all of these tests as BS or Nissan marketing lacks credibility.
People can dislike the GTR for a variety of reasons but performance is not one of them.
BTW the GTR is on sale in the USA and Japan.
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AUM said:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=4717b80e35715&car2=458d856a36a6a
Why does the truth hurt so much?
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KresoF1 said:
Merkus,
I had a chance to drive GT-R(USA grey import) yesterday for 20minutes. I was totally dissapointed with it. Very fast? YES. Very, very big in overall feel? YES. Faster from 100km/h till 200km/h then Vette Z06(in straight line)? NO.
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Nidge said:
But for now i cannot wait until my GTR arrives next year.
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Nidge said:
Ive driven a GTR on a Nissan invited track day. To prove further their belief Nissan accompanied the day with a number of pro drivers. Nissan are certainly not hiding anything, moreover they are clearly demonstrating just how good their product is. To a man the pro drivers had nothing but praise for the car a point that they proved when the invitees accompanied them on a number of hot laps (very hot)
And guess what the most popular car in the guest car park was? Yep the 911. The consensus among the 991 chaps? Each totally admired the GTR to the point that we were happy to have ordered our car. Of the 911? Each of us still absolutely love this car, but the price per performance is not only poor against the Nissan but other competitors also. I had every intention of trading my current 911 S for the FL version. But rapid depreciation and nearly 30K more makes one question this judgement? Are my 911 days over? Surly not. I love the car (and despite comments elsewhere in this thread its not the money thats an issue, its the value for money) I am sure Porsche will make the next generation 911 extra special. And when that happens count me in. But for now i cannot wait until my GTR arrives next year.
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Nidge said:
Ive driven a GTR on a Nissan invited track day. To prove further their belief Nissan accompanied the day with a number of pro drivers. Nissan are certainly not hiding anything, moreover they are clearly demonstrating just how good their product is. To a man the pro drivers had nothing but praise for the car a point that they proved when the invitees accompanied them on a number of hot laps (very hot)
And guess what the most popular car in the guest car park was? Yep the 911. The consensus among the 991 chaps? Each totally admired the GTR to the point that we were happy to have ordered our car. Of the 911? Each of us still absolutely love this car, but the price per performance is not only poor against the Nissan but other competitors also. I had every intention of trading my current 911 S for the FL version. But rapid depreciation and nearly 30K more makes one question this judgement? Are my 911 days over? Surly not. I love the car (and despite comments elsewhere in this thread its not the money thats an issue, its the value for money) I am sure Porsche will make the next generation 911 extra special. And when that happens count me in. But for now i cannot wait until my GTR arrives next year.
Sounds interesting. Nissan should offer a similar event in Germany. Would be intersting to drive the GTR on the track (ideally a track where personal benchmarks with other sportscars are available)
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Nidge said:
But for now i cannot wait until my GTR arrives next year.
The problem Nidge is that by the time your GTR arrives next year the whole GTR hype will be over and you will be left with an asian aesthetics car with a downmarket name and I suspect an even worse rate of depreciation.
Ok, you may gain the odd second here and there (I don't know if you are tracking even) but so what?
It is like living day in day out with an ugly and low-class woman because a tester and a journalist told you that she gives the odd good blow**b!
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