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Jul 20, 2008 8:35:34 PM

AUM: Veteran; Loc: Germany; Posts: 1203, Gallery; Registered on: May 2, 2006

Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

1:17.3 - Ascari A10
1:17.6 - Koenigsegg CCX (with "Top Gear Spoiler")
1:18.4 - Pagani Zonda F
1:18.9 - Maserati MC12
1:19.0 - Ferrari Enzo
1:19.5 - Ariel Atom 2 300
1.19.7 - Nissan GTR
1:19.7 - Ferrari 430 Scuderia
1:19.8 - Porsche Carrera GT
1:19.8 - Lamborghini Murciélago LP640
1:20.4 - Koenigsegg CCX [6]
1:20.7 - Ascari KZ1
1:20.9 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
1:21.2 - Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
1:21.9 - Ford GT
1:22.3 - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
1:22.3 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS
1:22.4 - Chevrolet Corvette Z06
1:22.5 - Noble M15
1:22.9 - Ferrari F430 F1
1:23.2 - Ferrari F430 Spider F1
1:23.7 - Lamborghini Murciélago (retested)
1:23.8 - Pagani Zonda C12 S 7.3
1:23.9 - Aston Martin DBS
1:23.9 - Koenigsegg CC8S
1:24.3 - Prodrive P2 Active diff. on
1:24.4 - Audi R8(damp track)
1:24.6 - TVR Sagaris
1:24.8 - Mitsubishi Evo VIII MR FQ-400
1:24.8 - TVR Tuscan Mk.II
1:25.0 - Noble M12 GTO-3R
1:25.1 - Lotus Exige S
1:25.2 - Audi RS4[7]
1:25.7 - Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder
1:25.8 - Lamborghini Gallardo (wet)
1:25.9 - Morgan Aero 8 GTN
1:26.0 - BMW Z4 M Roadster
1:26.0 - Mitsubishi Evo VIII MR FQ320
1:26.2 - BMW M5
1:26.2 - Porsche 911 Carrera S
1:26.2 - Brabus S Biturbo Roadster
1:26.4 - Lotus Exige (mildly moist)
1:26.7 - Porsche Cayman S
1:26.8 - Chevrolet Corvette
1:26.8 - Ferrari 575M Maranello HGTC
1:26.9 - Mercedes-Benz CLS55 AMG

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Jul 20, 2008 8:40:30 PM

acrobat: Co-Pilot; Loc: Europe , Hungary; Posts: 250, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 15, 2008; Reply to: AUM

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

As fast as the 430 Scuderia??? That's not a 480 hp GT-R for sure.

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Jul 20, 2008 8:45:34 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: AUM

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

What did they have to say about the GT-R?

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Jul 20, 2008 9:07:34 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: nberry

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

faster than a cgt and an lp 640... the gtr is a true masterpiece... bravo nissan, impressing!!!!!

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Jul 20, 2008 9:09:50 PM

AUM: Veteran; Loc: Germany; Posts: 1203, Gallery; Registered on: May 2, 2006; Reply to: nberry

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

JC loved the GTR and gave it his highest praise for being fun to drive as well as blisteringly quick. JC had to stop on the Fuji track because the extreme G forces put his neck out. The clip should be on youtube soon.

Of course both JC and the Stig were bribed by NIssan and the car they tested had 1000HP.

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Jul 20, 2008 9:22:48 PM

Emperor: Veteran; Loc: London & Gothenburg; Posts: 1013, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 6, 2006; Reply to: acrobat

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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acrobat said:
As fast as the 430 Scuderia??? That's not a 480 hp GT-R for sure.

It's not as fast but a whole lot easier to drive and more efficient as well which is what makes the GT-R a great achiever. Taking full advantage of it isn't as difficult as it is to drive a CGT at it's utter limit.

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Jul 20, 2008 9:41:23 PM

JoeRockhead: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Topside , Monaco; Posts: 8033, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 17, 2007; Reply to: AUM

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

625HP / 2822lbs - Ascari A10
806HP / 2600lbs - Koenigsegg CCX (with "Top Gear Spoiler")
594HP - Pagani Zonda F
621HP / 2943lbs - Maserati MC12
651HP / 3000lbs - Ferrari Enzo
300HP / 1000lbs - Ariel Atom 2 300
473HP / 3800lbs - Nissan GTR
503HP / 2756lbs - Ferrari 430 Scuderia
612HP / 3042lbs - Porsche Carrera GT
633HP / 3638lbs - Lamborghini Murciélago LP640
806HP / 2600lbs - Koenigsegg CCX [6]
500HP / 2960lbs - Ascari KZ1
626HP / 3890lbs - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
620HP / 3722lbs - Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano

Hmmmm. That's some crazy 473HP in that Nissan to get its extra 1000lbs around the track as fast as the Scuderia.

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Jul 20, 2008 10:35:58 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: JoeRockhead

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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JoeRockhead said:
625HP / 2822lbs - Ascari A10
806HP / 2600lbs - Koenigsegg CCX (with "Top Gear Spoiler")
594HP - Pagani Zonda F
621HP / 2943lbs - Maserati MC12
651HP / 3000lbs - Ferrari Enzo
300HP / 1000lbs - Ariel Atom 2 300
473HP / 3800lbs - Nissan GTR
503HP / 2756lbs - Ferrari 430 Scuderia
612HP / 3042lbs - Porsche Carrera GT
633HP / 3638lbs - Lamborghini Murciélago LP640
806HP / 2600lbs - Koenigsegg CCX [6]
500HP / 2960lbs - Ascari KZ1
626HP / 3890lbs - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
620HP / 3722lbs - Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano

Hmmmm. That's some crazy 473HP in that Nissan to get its extra 1000lbs around the track as fast as the Scuderia.

not crazy HP, suspension, 4wd, and technology..

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Jul 20, 2008 10:52:19 PM

AUM: Veteran; Loc: Germany; Posts: 1203, Gallery; Registered on: May 2, 2006; Reply to: JoeRockhead

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

Scroll down to post 18 to watch the Top Gear GTR clip

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?...st&p=338125

''The GTR corners faster than electricity..... Nissan haven't made a new car, they've made a new yardstick...... Genuinely staggering.'' JC

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Jul 20, 2008 10:54:13 PM

r8m8: Newbie; Loc: Europe; Posts: 24, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 24, 2008; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

Thanks for that list including weights and power. Very cool!
I've gone ahead and added bhp/lbs. Those japs must have discovered some alien technology!

0.22 - 625HP / 2822lbs - Ascari A10
0.31 - 806HP / 2600lbs - Koenigsegg CCX (with "Top Gear Spoiler")
0.?? - 594HP - Pagani Zonda F
0.21 - 621HP / 2943lbs - Maserati MC12
0.22 - 651HP / 3000lbs - Ferrari Enzo
0.30 - 300HP / 1000lbs - Ariel Atom 2 300
0.12 - 473HP / 3800lbs - Nissan GTR
0.18 - 503HP / 2756lbs - Ferrari 430 Scuderia
0.20 - 612HP / 3042lbs - Porsche Carrera GT
0.17 - 633HP / 3638lbs - Lamborghini Murciélago LP640
0.31 - 806HP / 2600lbs - Koenigsegg CCX [6]
0.19 - 500HP / 2960lbs - Ascari KZ1
0.16 - 626HP / 3890lbs - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
0.17 - 620HP / 3722lbs - Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano

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Jul 20, 2008 11:10:49 PM

964C2: Expert; Loc: Dallas, TX , United States; Posts: 1825, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: AUM

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

I think people are not giving enough credit to the high-cornering speeds of the GTR, is balance and its ability to get the power down coming out of corners.......

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Jul 21, 2008 1:55:51 AM

racerx: Rennteam VIP; Loc: 1985 porsche dealership , Bouvet Island; Posts: 8751, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 27, 2004; Reply to: 964C2

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

The only point that makes sense is the 4wd feature. And the suspicious nature of their horsepower claims.

What no one is mentioning is the rubber, the width and composition. On a perfectly flat surface like a track/runway suspension almost plays NO part.

Everyone acts like their is some mystery to raodholding ability. Look at all the cars that stick like glue, they all have tires as wide as steamrollers and wear out in the blink of an eye.

Plus the car is ALWAYS in the engines sweet spot with 7 gears.

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Jul 21, 2008 2:23:50 AM

r8m8: Newbie; Loc: Europe; Posts: 24, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 24, 2008; Reply to: racerx

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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racerx said:

Everyone acts like their is some mystery to raodholding ability.

Plus the car is ALWAYS in the engines sweet spot with 7 gears.

I think the point is that if you look at that list, you'll find the names of car makers, specialized in making fast road cars, with dozens of years of experience. None of them come close to matching the GTR in terms of efficiency (real world performance compared to stated power/weight). You'd think these companies would know a thing or two about ideal rubber, 4wd, suspension, transmission, etc?

That's the mystery really.

PS: Shame the Veyron has not been taken around their track yet. You'd think they would have found a billionaire Top Gear fan to lend them his car by now!

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Jul 21, 2008 3:41:35 AM

ADias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Southwest USA , United States; Posts: 2495, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 9, 2004; Reply to: r8m8

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

Up to this review, everyone was debunking the GTR as soul-less. JC seems to say otherwise. The fan of passion-filled Italian supercars likes the GTR...

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Jul 21, 2008 4:51:16 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: ADias

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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ADias said:
Up to this review, everyone was debunking the GTR as soul-less. JC seems to say otherwise. The fan of passion-filled Italian supercars likes the GTR...

Even if somebody doesn't like the GT-R, he cannot say so because the car is so competent that he will sound like an idi0t. It will be a classic example of the sour grapes syndrome!

Will this be the end of the supercar as we have known it?

What is the relevance of the Enzos and the CGTs and the much lauded Scuderias if a Nissan can go as fast? What is the point of manufacturers spending millions on exotic materials and charging the consumer exorbitant prices if the same people who brought us the Micra can deliver something as fast or faster, at a fraction of the price?

Rightly or wrongly, the "supercar" will continue to exist as long as there are people who are willing to spend for brand image and conspicuous consumption in all its forms.

People who buy special cars and other expensive objects they want everybody else to know about it and a serious parameter for their choice is the high price.

Beyond the specialised press and the circles of car enthusiasts, who bothers about the GT-R? Almost no one!

How can you justify to your rich friends or fellow professionals that you spend so little on a car? They might mistake you for a miser or someone who has fallen on bad times.

In all, the whole commercial premise of the GT-R is against human phychology and against the accepted socio-economic patterns of consumer behaviour.

In 20 years time very few will remember it. And, I do not think we will see many of them in museums, auctions and collections of classic vehicles.

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Jul 21, 2008 4:57:08 AM

WAY: Rennteam Master; Loc: Melbourne, Australia; Posts: 3344, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: ADias

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

I am really yo-yoing with this GT-R. One day I want it, the next I don't. I really like the idea of a supercar (speed wise) that doesn't cost that much. But then because it isn't expensive I am worried that I will be less careful with it and potentially caused myself harm!

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Jul 21, 2008 6:30:48 AM

ADias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Southwest USA , United States; Posts: 2495, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 9, 2004; Reply to: reginos

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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reginos said:
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ADias said:
Up to this review, everyone was debunking the GTR as soul-less. JC seems to say otherwise. The fan of passion-filled Italian supercars likes the GTR...

Even if somebody doesn't like the GT-R, he cannot say so because the car is so competent that he will sound like an idi0t. It will be a classic example of the sour grapes syndrome!

Will this be the end of the supercar as we have known it?

What is the relevance of the Enzos and the CGTs and the much lauded Scuderias if a Nissan can go as fast? What is the point of manufacturers spending millions on exotic materials and charging the consumer exorbitant prices if the same people who brought us the Micra can deliver something as fast or faster, at a fraction of the price?

Rightly or wrongly, the "supercar" will continue to exist as long as there are people who are willing to spend for brand image and conspicuous consumption in all its forms.

People who buy special cars and other expensive objects they want everybody else to know about it and a serious parameter for their choice is the high price.

Beyond the specialised press and the circles of car enthusiasts, who bothers about the GT-R? Almost no one!

How can you justify to your rich friends or fellow professionals that you spend so little on a car? They might mistake you for a miser or someone who has fallen on bad times.

In all, the whole commercial premise of the GT-R is against human phychology and against the accepted socio-economic patterns of consumer behaviour.

In 20 years time very few will remember it. And, I do not think we will see many of them in museums, auctions and collections of classic vehicles.

I think I read you correctly, i.e., the GTR is great/competent but that may be enough for you (or me). One does not look only at sheer performance, but at the whole package and one may prefer a package made by others that may not perform as well, but towards which one has a bigger attraction.
Having said that, Nissan showed what's possible and there's no reason PAG could not beat them. Some say the GTR is full of tech... tech these days is 3rd party-supplied (Bosch, Delphi, etc.) and anyone can implement it if they so wish.

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Jul 21, 2008 6:43:00 AM

Jofu: Junior; Loc: SF Bay Area, CA , United States; Posts: 86, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 26, 2006; Reply to: ADias

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

"How can you justify to your rich friends or fellow professionals that you spend so little on a car? They might mistake you for a miser or someone who has fallen on bad times. "

LOL... Goodness forbid rich people hanging out with "poor" people

"Honey, I was gonna hang out with Bob this weekend, but I just found out he's on his last million... Better call Johnny instead!"

Geoff

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Jul 21, 2008 7:12:38 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Jofu

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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Jofu said:
"How can you justify to your rich friends or fellow professionals that you spend so little on a car? They might mistake you for a miser or someone who has fallen on bad times. "

LOL... Goodness forbid rich people hanging out with "poor" people

"Honey, I was gonna hang out with Bob this weekend, but I just found out he's on his last million... Better call Johnny instead!"

Geoff

Haha I am laughing too but that's how it works! It may be a funny way of life and we may not condone conspicuous consumption per se, but it is reality in the whole world. Even in ex-commmunist countries like Russia and China consumer behaviour is getting towards these patterns.

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Jul 21, 2008 7:33:28 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: ADias

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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ADias said:
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I think I read you correctly, i.e., the GTR is great/competent but that may be enough for you (or me). One does not look only at sheer performance, but at the whole package and one may prefer a package made by others that may not perform as well, but towards which one has a bigger attraction.

Yes, this is my personal philosophy but it does not mean that others are wrong. Moreover, certain elements of performance may be of little relevance to me while other attributes may weigh in more.

Whatever makes someone happy cannot be bad.

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ADias said:

Having said that, Nissan showed what's possible and there's no reason PAG could not beat them. Some say the GTR is full of tech... tech these days is 3rd party-supplied (Bosch, Delphi, etc.) and anyone can implement it if they so wish.

PAG are somewhat reluctant to make big steps in the engineering/performance of their cars in spite of their huge engineering prowess. Some attribute this to complacency, others to greed others to lack of respect for their customers. Whatever the reasons, it is true that they should and could be trying harder.

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Jul 21, 2008 11:04:03 AM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2280, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: AUM

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

I guess this could be added to any of the GTR threads over the last few months but I just read an old copy of EVO magazine which covered the initial launch of the 997GT3 issue June 2006.

Andreas Preuninger whose job title at Porsche is "Project Manager High Performance cars"
The article talks about how he works eight days a week pefecting these models and with the 997GT3 included 10,000km on the ring finalising the damper settings.

Here is the best bit from him quote:
"Its incredible just how important the Nurburgring has become for Porsche, the Nurburgring is everything. It is everything. We must go quicker there with the new car" etc.....

Ouch, not much room for misinterpretation there. Porsche employees must really feel the pain, they have been spanked by their own passionate measuring stick

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Jul 21, 2008 11:15:17 AM

Porsche-Jeck: Rennteam Master; Loc: Rheinland , Germany; Posts: 4856, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 27, 2005; Reply to: TB993tt

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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TB993tt said:
Porsche employees must really feel the pain, they have been spanked by their own passionate measuring stick

I'm sure there will be more one lap wonders in the future: the Ring has become the whore of the marketing departments

Let them win one single race at the Ring and we'll talk again

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Jul 21, 2008 11:17:18 AM

MarekN: Pilot; Loc: Czech Republic; Posts: 409, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 7, 2006; Reply to: TB993tt

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

Let me just add in the Zonda F weight, which is 1230 kg in Clubsport, unladen.
When putting together the power/weight ratios, we should probably take into account that some manufacturers twist the numbers of the weights and some do it by the book, so there could be about 7% difference (either totally dry weight vs weight with driver, fuel and luggage).

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Jul 21, 2008 1:05:46 PM

vinnie: Veteran; Loc: Australia , Australia; Posts: 1005, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 25, 2005; Reply to: MarekN

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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MarekN said:
Let me just add in the Zonda F weight, which is 1230 kg in Clubsport, unladen.
When putting together the power/weight ratios, we should probably take into account that some manufacturers twist the numbers of the weights and some do it by the book, so there could be about 7% difference (either totally dry weight vs weight with driver, fuel and luggage).

Just think, the GT-R is only 1.3 seconds on the TopGear track slower than the Zonda F and weighs 600kg more!

The only car that you could take a whole family in comfort shopping, take the shopping home in the large boot
and then go to the local racetrack and lap faster than Porsches finest, the CGT.

Nissan have rewritten the supercar rules, they have just come out, shocked and embarrassed the competition.

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Jul 21, 2008 1:42:41 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: vinnie

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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vinnie said:
Quote:
MarekN said:
Let me just add in the Zonda F weight, which is 1230 kg in Clubsport, unladen.
When putting together the power/weight ratios, we should probably take into account that some manufacturers twist the numbers of the weights and some do it by the book, so there could be about 7% difference (either totally dry weight vs weight with driver, fuel and luggage).

Just think, the GT-R is only 1.3 seconds on the TopGear track slower than the Zonda F and weighs 600kg more!

The only car that you could take a whole family in comfort shopping, take the shopping home in the large boot
and then go to the local racetrack and lap faster than Porsches finest, the CGT.

Nissan have rewritten the supercar rules, they have just come out, shocked and embarrassed the competition.

+1

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Jul 21, 2008 1:50:17 PM

shin: Senior; Loc: no , Singapore; Posts: 671, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 19, 2004; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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dhayek said:
Quote:
vinnie said:
Quote:
MarekN said:
Let me just add in the Zonda F weight, which is 1230 kg in Clubsport, unladen.
When putting together the power/weight ratios, we should probably take into account that some manufacturers twist the numbers of the weights and some do it by the book, so there could be about 7% difference (either totally dry weight vs weight with driver, fuel and luggage).

Just think, the GT-R is only 1.3 seconds on the TopGear track slower than the Zonda F and weighs 600kg more!

The only car that you could take a whole family in comfort shopping, take the shopping home in the large boot
and then go to the local racetrack and lap faster than Porsches finest, the CGT.

Nissan have rewritten the supercar rules, they have just come out, shocked and embarrassed the competition.

+1

+2.

The GT-R is real and here to stay. The V-Spec version will even outperform the regular GT-R.

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Jul 21, 2008 2:11:20 PM

Jean: Veteran; Loc: Seoul , South Korea; Posts: 1033, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 14, 2002; Reply to: shin

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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shin said:
Quote:
dhayek said:
Quote:
vinnie said:
Quote:
MarekN said:
Let me just add in the Zonda F weight, which is 1230 kg in Clubsport, unladen.
When putting together the power/weight ratios, we should probably take into account that some manufacturers twist the numbers of the weights and some do it by the book, so there could be about 7% difference (either totally dry weight vs weight with driver, fuel and luggage).

Just think, the GT-R is only 1.3 seconds on the TopGear track slower than the Zonda F and weighs 600kg more!

The only car that you could take a whole family in comfort shopping, take the shopping home in the large boot
and then go to the local racetrack and lap faster than Porsches finest, the CGT.

Nissan have rewritten the supercar rules, they have just come out, shocked and embarrassed the competition.

+1

+2.

The GT-R is real and here to stay. The V-Spec version will even outperform the regular GT-R.

True. V-Spec has always been the GT2 of GTRs. It will be interesting to see how V-Spec performs compared to the rest of the world's so-called supercars.

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Jul 21, 2008 2:19:57 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

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dhayek said:
Quote:
vinnie said:
Quote:
MarekN said:
Let me just add in the Zonda F weight, which is 1230 kg in Clubsport, unladen.
When putting together the power/weight ratios, we should probably take into account that some manufacturers twist the numbers of the weights and some do it by the book, so there could be about 7% difference (either totally dry weight vs weight with driver, fuel and luggage).

Just think, the GT-R is only 1.3 seconds on the TopGear track slower than the Zonda F and weighs 600kg more!

The only car that you could take a whole family in comfort shopping, take the shopping home in the large boot
and then go to the local racetrack and lap faster than Porsches finest, the CGT.

Nissan have rewritten the supercar rules, they have just come out, shocked and embarrassed the competition.

+1

Mr. Dimitri, you agree with vinnie's very logical argumentation, but the day you change your F430 for a GT-R. I shall be convinced too.

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Jul 21, 2008 2:50:31 PM

JoeRockhead: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Topside , Monaco; Posts: 8033, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 17, 2007; Reply to: reginos

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

Damn... I'm really curious about the amount of overboost that car has during launch control. They certainly have their ducks in a row with that system. It was very interesting to watch the GT-R get spanked by the Z-06 from 50 and 80km/h rolling starts when the launch control is of no advantage. The fact that Nissan engineers have locked out their ECU to prevent reverse engineering and tampering is very telling. It takes a lot of torque to get a 3800lb car moving that quickly off the line.

Having said all of that, the car is quite an achievement. Too bad it's so ugly.

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Jul 21, 2008 2:51:12 PM

Carn: Newbie; Loc: RSA , South Africa; Posts: 18, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 5, 2007; Reply to: reginos

Re: Top Gear (The Stig) GTR time: 1.19.7

How would the GTR compare on a circuit like Road America for instance? Simply saying the car is quicker, or on par with more serious machinery means nothing. Different cars are better suited to different kinds of circuits. The GTR certainly seems to be a very capable all rounder...V-Spec should be incredible !

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