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    Jul 14, 2008 8:30:35 AM

    andrea
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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    Ciao Andrea! I think VC+ stands for Vario Cam Plus..it is supposed to be an evolution from the previous Vario Cam..btw I don't know which are concrete differences at this time.

    Dimenticavo..molto piacere e a presto!




    Grazie Gab(Gabriele?)!
    Very good improvemente on this fl cayman..I hope LSD option also for boxster

    Jul 14, 2008 8:34:05 AM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

    yes unfortunately Gabriele was already taken I think

    Jul 15, 2008 2:43:10 AM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009


    Did I read right, only the S model gets the DFI engine similar to the 997 Mk2?

    David

    Jul 15, 2008 8:51:02 AM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

    yes David..from what we have read so far only S models eventually get DFI

    Jul 15, 2008 12:45:25 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

    I've heard both the S (+25 hp) and the regular (+20 hp) will get DFI. Why wouldn't Porsche put DFI in the regular Cayman and increase their gas mileage, along with the hp??

    Jul 15, 2008 1:00:35 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

    http://www.caymanclub.net/cayman-chat/25097-2010-cayman-digital-mock-ups.html

    BTW, these renderings are about 99.9% the looks of FL Cayman...

    Jul 15, 2008 1:07:44 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    I've heard both the S (+25 hp) and the regular (+20 hp) will get DFI. Why wouldn't Porsche put DFI in the regular Cayman and increase their gas mileage, along with the hp??


    If they were adding DFI to the non-S, there would be no need to increase displacement as well as DFI for a small 20hp improvement. The numbers (and comments) suggest non-DFI for non-S. I think the obvious reason is to make the more expensive S more attractive to buyers (marketing).

    Jul 15, 2008 1:52:02 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    http://www.caymanclub.net/cayman-chat/25097-2010-cayman-digital-mock-ups.html

    BTW, these renderings are about 99.9% the looks of FL Cayman...




    thanks!
    strange rear lights...I don't like so much...

    Jul 15, 2008 2:44:20 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    http://www.caymanclub.net/cayman-chat/25097-2010-cayman-digital-mock-ups.html

    BTW, these renderings are about 99.9% the looks of FL Cayman...



    About time they ditched the fake twin exhausts. I like it!

    Jul 15, 2008 3:02:39 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    Quote:
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    I've heard both the S (+25 hp) and the regular (+20 hp) will get DFI. Why wouldn't Porsche put DFI in the regular Cayman and increase their gas mileage, along with the hp??


    If they were adding DFI to the non-S, there would be no need to increase displacement as well as DFI for a small 20hp improvement. The numbers (and comments) suggest non-DFI for non-S. I think the obvious reason is to make the more expensive S more attractive to buyers (marketing).



    yes I think you got the point..it's driven by marketing

    Jul 15, 2008 3:14:39 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    gab said:
    Quote:
    Grant said:
    Quote:
    wolverine said:
    I've heard both the S (+25 hp) and the regular (+20 hp) will get DFI. Why wouldn't Porsche put DFI in the regular Cayman and increase their gas mileage, along with the hp??


    If they were adding DFI to the non-S, there would be no need to increase displacement as well as DFI for a small 20hp improvement. The numbers (and comments) suggest non-DFI for non-S. I think the obvious reason is to make the more expensive S more attractive to buyers (marketing).



    yes I think you got the point..it's driven by marketing


    Yes, and one other thing to consider: The new DFI motors are a totally new design, one which should solve the RMS leak problem. Sounds like the 2.9L motor will not benefit from this improvement either...

    Jul 15, 2008 3:18:15 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    Thank's to ANNE from caymanclub.net


    I'm frequent visitor to caymanclub.net but never saw a name Anne. Who is she and what is her username?

    Jul 16, 2008 6:02:59 AM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

    20HP or 25HP is small? Man, you should check out the fanboys on Caymanclub.net that tout an insultingly token +25HP bump as the second coming of Christ.

    Jul 16, 2008 8:23:50 AM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    20HP or 25HP is small? Man, you should check out the fanboys on Caymanclub.net that tout an insultingly token +25HP bump as the second coming of Christ.



    LOL. Reading that forum reminds me sometimes of the nauseating (self congratulatory, gushing with praise) Halle Berry oscar acceptance speech.

    Jul 16, 2008 1:56:39 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    20HP or 25HP is small? Man, you should check out the fanboys on Caymanclub.net that tout an insultingly token +25HP bump as the second coming of Christ.



    I can understand why people are excited. Try this perspective:

    Here's your choice: a car with 8% more REAL HP with a factory warranty. Or you can have an existing Cayman and spend $5,000 and worry about voiding your factory warranty. If you've ever tried to modify a Porsche to get more REAL HP (not the kind advertised by the aftermarket suppliers), you'll appreciate what I'm saying. Also, at 320 HP and under 3,000 lbs the power/weight ratio is right there with today's 997S.

    Jul 16, 2008 2:05:42 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    Also, at 320 HP and under 3,000 lbs the power/weight ratio is right there with today's 997S.



    On top of that, consider the perfect weight distribution. An optional LSD and the revised DFI engine look very promising to me.

    Jul 16, 2008 4:24:52 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    wolverine said:Also, at 320 HP and under 3,000 lbs the power/weight ratio is right there with today's 997S.


    There is no way that a Cayman S weighs less than 3,000 lbs in road trim (despite what Porsche may advertise).

    Jul 16, 2008 5:44:12 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

    Grant,
    Current Cayman S is measured 1416kg(PASM, 19", standard brakes) by AMS. So, it could be below 1400kg with PCCBs(just do we need them?)...

    Regarding your question about new engines-I heard that 2.9L will be very close relative to new 3.4L DFI engine. Just without DFI. Why base engine without DFI? According to marketing wizzards difference between two models needs to be bigger-price, technology and performance wise...

    Jul 16, 2008 5:47:43 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    Grant,
    Current Cayman S is measured 1416kg(PASM, 19", standard brakes) by AMS. So, it could be below 1400kg with PCCBs(just do we need them?)...



    Well, even 1400kg is 3,080 lbs, so I still think it's impossible to make it less than 3,000 lbs from the factory. But, this is still pretty respectable weight for a new Porsche.

    Maybe the factory optional racing bucket seats would help even more?

    Interesting about the 2.9L. So, it may have no RMS problems?

    Jul 16, 2008 5:53:12 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    Quote:
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    Grant,
    Current Cayman S is measured 1416kg(PASM, 19", standard brakes) by AMS. So, it could be below 1400kg with PCCBs(just do we need them?)...



    Well, even 1400kg is 3,080 lbs, so I still think it's impossible to make it less than 3,000 lbs from the factory. But, this is still pretty respectable weight for a new Porsche.

    Maybe the factory optional racing bucket seats would help even more?

    Interesting about the 2.9L. So, it may have no RMS problems?



    OK, let's do some math 1416-18(PCCBs)=1398-14(Buckets)=1384kg

    RMS issues? Porsche claim that it is(or will be) history for new 987.2 engines.

    Jul 16, 2008 6:01:52 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    Quote:
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    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Grant,
    Current Cayman S is measured 1416kg(PASM, 19", standard brakes) by AMS. So, it could be below 1400kg with PCCBs(just do we need them?)...



    Well, even 1400kg is 3,080 lbs, so I still think it's impossible to make it less than 3,000 lbs from the factory. But, this is still pretty respectable weight for a new Porsche.

    Maybe the factory optional racing bucket seats would help even more?

    Interesting about the 2.9L. So, it may have no RMS problems?



    OK, let's do some math 1416-18(PCCBs)=1398-14(Buckets)=1384kg


    Still 45 lbs over 3,000 Thanks for the info!

    Jul 16, 2008 6:15:45 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

    How about Porsche AG just put the Carrera 3.6L engine into the Cayman? After all, Porsche AG reneged on its marketing position placing the Cayman above the Boxster when it gave the Boxster the same 3.4L engine as the Cayman in order to boost lagging Boxster sales. If we all band together in an Internet Boycott, then Porsche AG would make a similiar decision and put the Carrera 3.6L engine in the Cayman in order to boost sales. Porsche AG, after all, cares only about one thing, maintaining its profit margin.

    Jul 16, 2008 7:21:16 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    Quote:
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    Quote:
    Grant said:
    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Grant,
    Current Cayman S is measured 1416kg(PASM, 19", standard brakes) by AMS. So, it could be below 1400kg with PCCBs(just do we need them?)...



    Well, even 1400kg is 3,080 lbs, so I still think it's impossible to make it less than 3,000 lbs from the factory. But, this is still pretty respectable weight for a new Porsche.

    Maybe the factory optional racing bucket seats would help even more?

    Interesting about the 2.9L. So, it may have no RMS problems?



    OK, let's do some math 1416-18(PCCBs)=1398-14(Buckets)=1384kg


    Still 45 lbs over 3,000 Thanks for the info!



    Well, how about a quarter tank of gas... and you're under 3,000 lbs. But my point wasn't the exact weight, it was the hp/weight ratio is right there with the 997S (pre 2009), and with 320 HP and the other goodies, you're going to be a quicker car around the track. That's saying something...

    Jul 16, 2008 7:34:29 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    wolverine said:But my point wasn't the exact weight, it was the hp/weight ratio is right there with the 997S (pre 2009), and with 320 HP and the other goodies, you're going to be a quicker car around the track. That's saying something...


    I agree, especially in the US where the 997S was not available with sport suspension and LSD and the new Cayman will be

    Jul 16, 2008 8:14:47 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

    RMS issues? Porsche claim that it is(or will be) history for new 987.2 engines.



    I thought the RMS issues were resolved sometime in '06, am I wrong?
    vincesf

    Jul 16, 2008 8:49:02 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    Quote:
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    20HP or 25HP is small? Man, you should check out the fanboys on Caymanclub.net that tout an insultingly token +25HP bump as the second coming of Christ.



    I can understand why people are excited. Try this perspective:

    Here's your choice: a car with 8% more REAL HP with a factory warranty. Or you can have an existing Cayman and spend $5,000 and worry about voiding your factory warranty. If you've ever tried to modify a Porsche to get more REAL HP (not the kind advertised by the aftermarket suppliers), you'll appreciate what I'm saying. Also, at 320 HP and under 3,000 lbs the power/weight ratio is right there with today's 997S.



    Yes weight is often overlooked by the more marketable HP figure. Problem with increasing HP significantly without increasing weight significantly has always been cost. I'm happy with the small 20 - 25 HP increase since there's no weight and cost penalty to go with it. In fact I would rather have a 100 lbs. lighter car than 50 more HP. I'm a weight nut. I don't fall for HP marketing tricks or bragging rights. I brag about my Boxsters weight, not HP, not that there's anything to brag about 217HP.

    David

    Jul 16, 2008 8:58:54 PM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    DavidSF said:In fact I would rather have a 100 lbs. lighter car than 50 more HP. I'm a weight nut.


    I am a weight nut too (check my signature), but there is no way I'd take 100 lbs less weight over 50hp

    I would certainly prefer 500 lbs less weight over 50hp more, but I would never take just a 3% weight savings over a 17% power bump - that's crazy

    Jul 17, 2008 1:34:46 AM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    Sounds like the 2.9L motor will not benefit from this improvement either...

    Not necessarily.

    Jul 17, 2008 2:41:39 AM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    Sounds like the 2.9L motor will not benefit from this improvement either...

    Not necessarily.


    Glad to hear that. Someone else also told me the 2.9L will use the new crankcase design, but without DFI.

    Jul 17, 2008 7:13:46 AM

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    Re: Cayman S 2009

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    Glad to hear that. Someone else also told me the 2.9L will use the new crankcase design, but without DFI.



    I don't know whether this makes sense from a production point of view (logistics, economy of scale etc.), but I guess the main asset of the DFI engine is the better fuel economy (which is not a real issue for the non-S Boxster).
     
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