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zaf52 said:

funny, i wonder where my previous post ended...
i just wanted to re-iterate that we can't get that gt2 is a bit faster than the scuderia since sportauto's tests are
bogus. porsches are regularly driven around tracks as fast as it gets, wheras nongerman cars are not at all pushed to their limits.

Since we're talking about bedtime stories, let me tell you a story about the three little piggies and the big, bad wolf...

intouch1, guess what, no need to go to F-chat anymore .

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Crash said:

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zaf52 said:

funny, i wonder where my previous post ended...
i just wanted to re-iterate that we can't get that gt2 is a bit faster than the scuderia since sportauto's tests are
bogus. porsches are regularly driven around tracks as fast as it gets, wheras nongerman cars are not at all pushed to their limits.

Since we're talking about bedtime stories, let me tell you a story about the three little piggies and the big, bad wolf...

intouch1, guess what, no need to go to F-chat anymore .

all right, tell us your story, then

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Please, NO CRAP story about von Saurma in this thread.

Gents, Horst liked Scud more then GT2. There is NO bigger price here, at least IMO. Both cars are amazing are clearly they are a class for themselve...

Hopefully, we will not need to ask Markus to use his new Jedi powers to clear up this thread...

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Here are the official results:

NBR: 7.39
Doettinger Hoehe: 281kph
HHR: 1.10,3
0-100kph: 3.6s
0-200kph: 11.4s
Weight (with fuel): 1400kg
200-0kph: 125.7m
Airtemp during test: 17*C

please add the GT2 times to put them into perspective....

Hehehehe, you only want to have confirmation that you bought the right car

The GT2 is a bit faster (7.33 and 1.09,7). However, the Scuderia is probably the more exciting car... Thus, both are great cars

funny, i wonder where my previous post ended...
i just wanted to re-iterate that we can't get that gt2 is a bit faster than the scuderia since sportauto's tests are
bogus. porsches are regularly driven around tracks as fast as it gets, wheras nongerman cars are not at all pushed to their limits.

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zaf52 said:

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Crash said:

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zaf52 said:

funny, i wonder where my previous post ended...
i just wanted to re-iterate that we can't get that gt2 is a bit faster than the scuderia since sportauto's tests are
bogus. porsches are regularly driven around tracks as fast as it gets, wheras nongerman cars are not at all pushed to their limits.

Since we're talking about bedtime stories, let me tell you a story about the three little piggies and the big, bad wolf...

intouch1, guess what, no need to go to F-chat anymore .

all right, tell us your story, then

There was once a big, bad wolf, named Van Sourma. One of the piggies from a newly-acquired imperial border territory badmouthed him on the internet with no proof to back up his statements, so he tore down his straw house with his smoke-blowing, germanic 4-wheeled machine and, after pulling the piggie from underneath the car, issued him with a court subpoena for libel charges. THE END

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KresoF1 said:
Please, NO CRAP story about von Saurma in this thread.

Gents, Horst liked Scud more then GT2. There is NO bigger price here, at least IMO. Both cars are amazing are clearly they are a class for themselve...

Hopefully, we will not need to ask Markus to use his new Jedi powers to clear up this thread...

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Since we're talking about bedtime stories, let me tell you a story about the three little piggies and the big, bad wolf...

intouch1, guess what, no need to go to F-chat anymore .

all right, tell us your story, then

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zaf52 said:

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Crash said:

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zaf52 said:

Since we're talking about bedtime stories, let me tell you a story about the three little piggies and the big, bad wolf...

intouch1, guess what, no need to go to F-chat anymore .

all right, tell us your story, then

There was once a big, bad wolf, named Van Sourma. One of the piggies from a newly-acquired imperial border territory badmouthed him on the internet with no proof to back up his statements, so he tore down his straw house with his smoke-blowing, germanic 4-wheeled machine and, after pulling the piggie from underneath the car, issued him with a court subpoena for libel charges. THE END

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KresoF1 said:
Please, NO CRAP story about von Saurma in this thread.

Gents, Horst liked Scud more then GT2. There is NO bigger price here, at least IMO. Both cars are amazing are clearly they are a class for themselve...

Hopefully, we will not need to ask Markus to use his new Jedi powers to clear up this thread...

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wow! so much power wolf Saurma exerts on the imperial territories. by the way, did the piggie provide the court with the following nurburgring "no proof" lap data?
lp640: Saurma=7.47 Sanna(Lambo driver)=7.40
z06: Saurma=7.49 Magnussen(corvette driver)=7.42.9
porsche gt2: Saurma=7.33 Rohrl (surely quicker than both Sanna and Magnussen at the nurburgring)=7.32.02

the court will have hard time to give a meaningful interpretation of them, while waiting for Saurma's nissan gtr lap time...

997TT: Saurma=7.54 (7.52 in a later test) Porsche=7.42...
CGT: Saurma=7.32 Porsche=7.28...

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wow! so much power wolf Saurma exerts on the imperial territories. by the way, did the piggie provide the court with the following nurburgring "no proof" lap data?
lp640: Saurma=7.47 Sanna(Lambo driver)=7.40
z06: Saurma=7.49 Magnussen(corvette driver)=7.42.9
porsche gt2: Saurma=7.33 Rohrl (surely quicker than both Sanna and Magnussen at the nurburgring)=7.32.02

the court will have hard time to give a meaningful interpretation of them, while waiting for Saurma's nissan gtr lap time...

997TT: Saurma=7.54 (7.52 in a later test) Porsche=7.42...
CGT: Saurma=7.32 Porsche=7.28...

interesting... i do not have a reference for that 7.42 for the 997 turbo: i do have a 7.49 (Rohrl
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html) which proves once again my point.
the cgt time is just 4 secs off anyways (not 7 with likely lesser drivers than Rohrl). reasonable given the number of tests rohrl ran (and crushed-as i have heard) for the cgt.

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Since we're talking about bedtime stories, let me tell you a story about the three little piggies and the big, bad wolf...

intouch1, guess what, no need to go to F-chat anymore .

all right, tell us your story, then

There was once a big, bad wolf, named Van Sourma. One of the piggies from a newly-acquired imperial border territory badmouthed him on the internet with no proof to back up his statements, so he tore down his straw house with his smoke-blowing, germanic 4-wheeled machine and, after pulling the piggie from underneath the car, issued him with a court subpoena for libel charges. THE END

wow! so much power wolf Saurma exerts on the imperial territories. by the way, did the piggie provide the court with the following nurburgring "no proof" lap data?
lp640: Saurma=7.47 Sanna(Lambo driver)=7.40
z06: Saurma=7.49 Magnussen(corvette driver)=7.42.9
porsche gt2: Saurma=7.33 Rohrl (surely quicker than both Sanna and Magnussen at the nurburgring)=7.32.02

the court will have hard time to give a meaningful interpretation of them, while waiting for Saurma's nissan gtr lap time...

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Should I repeat the fact that Horst liked Scud more then GT2 as you clearly point out?

It seems to me that our new member(and Horst hater) did not read Scud Supertest or he is not fluent in German so he is trolling this otherwise nice thread...

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Should I repeat the fact that Horst liked Scud more then GT2 as you clearly point out?

It seems to me that our new member(and Horst hater) did not read Scud Supertest or he is not fluent in German so he is trolling this otherwise nice thread...

funny... is this a thread or a painting you are drawing?
are you interested to the aesthetics of the thread?

i have shown that Saurma has been nationalistic (for a long time actually). whether this is "hating" him, i will leave it to the reader?

Anyways, i found really amusing the repeated claims that Saurma liked the scuderia more than the gt2 (as if this was to be of any relevance). first he drives the scuderia 15secs (conservative estimate) slower, then he says he likes it more than the gt2. a done deal for extreme sports cars...

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interesting... i do not have a reference for that 7.42 for the 997 turbo: i do have a 7.49 (Rohrl
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html) which proves once again my point.
the cgt time is just 4 secs off anyways (not 7 with likely lesser drivers than Rohrl). reasonable given the number of tests rohrl ran (and crushed-as i have heard) for the cgt.

7:42 is the correct time versus the 7:54 by Von Saurma. Both equipped with Cup tyres. The 7:49 time is without Cup tyres.
It's not like Von Saurma is just some guy off the street. He is also an amateur racer and definitely has above-average skills. Also, if you had bothered to read his review of the Scud, he likes it better than the GT2. In fact, that Ferrari seems to be one of the best german cars he's ever tested .

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Should I repeat the fact that Horst liked Scud more then GT2 as you clearly point out?

It seems to me that our new member(and Horst hater) did not read Scud Supertest or he is not fluent in German so he is trolling this otherwise nice thread...

funny... is this a thread or a painting you are drawing?
are you interested to the aesthetics of the thread?

i have shown that Saurma has been nationalistic (for a long time actually). whether this is "hating" him, i will leave it to the reader?

Anyways, i found really amusing the repeated claims that Saurma liked the scuderia more than the gt2 (as if this was to be of any relevance). first he drives the scuderia 15secs (conservative estimate) slower, then he says he likes it more than the gt2. a done deal for extreme sports cars...

15 seconds slower? The Scuderia is 6 seconds slower on the Ring than the GT2. Also, where have ypou shown that Von Saurma has been nationalistic? Back up your statements with something more than your unfounded and subjective estimates of what time constitutes an unfair test.
Even seasoned amateurs with thousands of laps on the Nordschleife under their belts, struggle hard to reach anything close to 8 minutes around that track and you're calling a 7:39 a fake? This is Rennteam.com, not Supercars.net .

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Crash said:

funny... is this a thread or a painting you are drawing?
are you interested to the aesthetics of the thread?

i have shown that Saurma has been nationalistic (for a long time actually). whether this is "hating" him, i will leave it to the reader?

Anyways, i found really amusing the repeated claims that Saurma liked the scuderia more than the gt2 (as if this was to be of any relevance). first he drives the scuderia 15secs (conservative estimate) slower, then he says he likes it more than the gt2. a done deal for extreme sports cars...

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Crash said:

funny... is this a thread or a painting you are drawing?
are you interested to the aesthetics of the thread?

i have shown that Saurma has been nationalistic (for a long time actually). whether this is "hating" him, i will leave it to the reader?

Anyways, i found really amusing the repeated claims that Saurma liked the scuderia more than the gt2 (as if this was to be of any relevance). first he drives the scuderia 15secs (conservative estimate) slower, then he says he likes it more than the gt2. a done deal for extreme sports cars...

15 seconds slower? The Scuderia is 6 seconds slower on the Ring than the GT2. Also, where have ypou shown that Von Saurma has been nationalistic? Back up your statements with something more than your unfounded and subjective estimates of what time constitutes an unfair test.
Even seasoned amateurs with thousands of laps on the Nordschleife under their belts, struggle hard to reach anything close to 8 minutes around that track and you're calling a 7:39 a fake? This is Rennteam.com, not Supercars.net .

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Crash said:

funny... is this a thread or a painting you are drawing?
are you interested to the aesthetics of the thread?

i have shown that Saurma has been nationalistic (for a long time actually). whether this is "hating" him, i will leave it to the reader?

Anyways, i found really amusing the repeated claims that Saurma liked the scuderia more than the gt2 (as if this was to be of any relevance). first he drives the scuderia 15secs (conservative estimate) slower, then he says he likes it more than the gt2. a done deal for extreme sports cars...

15 seconds slower? The Scuderia is 6 seconds slower on the Ring than the GT2. Also, where have ypou shown that Von Saurma has been nationalistic? Back up your statements with something more than your unfounded and subjective estimates of what time constitutes an unfair test.
Even seasoned amateurs with thousands of laps on the Nordschleife under their belts, struggle hard to reach anything close to 8 minutes around that track and you're calling a 7:39 a fake? This is Rennteam.com, not Supercars.net .

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I think this is why HvS thinks the Scud is better than the GT2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZB_wEpbVw&fmt=18

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Crash said:

funny... is this a thread or a painting you are drawing?
are you interested to the aesthetics of the thread?

i have shown that Saurma has been nationalistic (for a long time actually). whether this is "hating" him, i will leave it to the reader?

Anyways, i found really amusing the repeated claims that Saurma liked the scuderia more than the gt2 (as if this was to be of any relevance). first he drives the scuderia 15secs (conservative estimate) slower, then he says he likes it more than the gt2. a done deal for extreme sports cars...

15 seconds slower? The Scuderia is 6 seconds slower on the Ring than the GT2. Also, where have ypou shown that Von Saurma has been nationalistic? Back up your statements with something more than your unfounded and subjective estimates of what time constitutes an unfair test.
Even seasoned amateurs with thousands of laps on the Nordschleife under their belts, struggle hard to reach anything close to 8 minutes around that track and you're calling a 7:39 a fake? This is Rennteam.com, not Supercars.net .

wrong! you mispelled the sentence: "Scuderia is 6 seconds slower on the Ring than the GT2" should read as "Saurma drove scuderia 6 seconds slower than gt2".
you are right: saying that Saurma drove the scuderia 15 secs slower is a subjective estimate which is actually conservative since he drove the gt-r 21 secs slower!

i have posted several times the references of the n-ring times i have mentioned. however, *not once* did you provide
a reference backing your claims on porsches, let alone a beliavable one.

wow is this really rennteam.com?..i have not realized it!
oh my.. the land of wolves and jedis...

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You have posted no references whatsoever. And don't quote some fantasy website which can't get its data right. The 997TT lap times have been discussed here ad nauseam ever since the car came out and the 7:49 time is - in fact - with standard Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tyres. The 7:42 time is Walter Röhrl's time with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tyres.

As for the difference in time between the Scuderia and GT2, that's pure semantics. The difference is 6 seconds, unless you can present us with a different time.

Kreso, you're right, it's preferable to be polite. That way, when you ban people, there are no hard feelings .

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wrong! you mispelled the sentence: "Scuderia is 6 seconds slower on the Ring than the GT2" should read as "Saurma drove scuderia 6 seconds slower than gt2".
you are right: saying that Saurma drove the scuderia 15 secs slower is a subjective estimate which is actually conservative since he drove the gt-r 21 secs slower!

i have posted several times the references of the n-ring times i have mentioned. however, *not once* did you provide
a reference backing your claims on porsches, let alone a beliavable one.

wow is this really rennteam.com?..i have not realized it!
oh my.. the land of wolves and jedis...

Zaf, the unofficial factory N-ring lap time for 430 Scuderia is 7:35, driven by M.Schumacher. So Horst wasnt that much slower here.

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these sound like n-ring bar tales. what it is known is that schumacher spent few sessions at the n-ring helping improving the scuderia's setup. in the word "unofficial" one can bury all sorts of bs.

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again, the 7.42 rohrl's lap time exists only in your fantasy, unless you post a tiny bit of beliavable reference.