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Re: 430 Scuderia Supertest
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vinnie said:
7:39 is an excellent result, that is 16 seconds faster than the regular 430 for exactly the same test.
Yes, but at least half of the improvement is due to tires, right?
Still very impressive!
Same tires IMO, both wears P Zero Corsa's.
Jun 20, 2008 8:09:59 AM
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I'll be happy if I can achieve 7.50min
you'll be happy if you achieve 8:50 !!!!
Hahaha, so true
The really fast and gifted GT3 amateurs I know (and they represent max. 5% of the GT3-crowd showing up at NoS) clock laptimes 30-40 sec. slower than HvS at best - and that's after hundreds of laps under their belt.
There was a nice "test" recently shown on German TV (DSF): average skilled sportscar driver was given a Maserati GT - first he learned the limits/handling of the car in the safe environment of the NBR GP-circuit, then he was sent to NoS (as a NoS novice).
The offer: if you can clock a laptime of 10 minutes, the car is yours
Result: 12ish... Just to put things into perspective
Jun 20, 2008 8:27:59 AM
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Re: 430 Scuderia Supertest
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Tarek_K said:
I'll be happy if I can achieve 7.50min
you'll be happy if you achieve 8:50 !!!!
Hahaha, so true
There was a nice "test" recently shown on German TV (DSF): average skilled sportscar driver was given a Maserati GT - first he learned the limits/handling of the car in the safe environment of the NBR GP-circuit, then he was sent to NoS (as a NoS novice).
The offer: if you can clock a laptime of 10 minutes, the car is yours
To put things further in perspective on the other end, what is the best time they do during the VLN races? Say the Manthey cars?
Jun 20, 2008 10:07:29 AM
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To put things further in perspective on the other end, what is the best time they do during the VLN races? Say the Manthey cars?
Proper Racecars (GT3 RSR): around 8:30
Roadcar GT3: around 9:30
Mind you, this is for the 24.3 km long track (NoS + GP-circuit Sprinstrecke/short circuit).
Not sure how much time you have to subtract to arrive at the NoS-time for these cars.
Example from a buddy who drives a BMW 330i:
Full lap: 9:50
GP-circuit (Sprintstrecke): 1:50
NoS: 8:00
Of course the Sportauto lap is not a full NoS-lap (T13-gap may be worth 7 sec or so).
Also if you compare laptimes from previous years bear in mind that they improved the track (tarmac). Not sure what it exactly means in terms of laptimes but for example pole time for this year's 24h race was about 13 sec. faster compared to previous year. Guesstimate from experienced race drivers is about 7 sec. improvement for NoS with a potent road sportscar such as GT3. As you can see - all the laptimes on NoS are a kind of "moving target"
Jun 20, 2008 10:23:39 AM
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Here are the official results:
NBR: 7.39
Doettinger Hoehe: 281kph
HHR: 1.10,3
0-100kph: 3.6s
0-200kph: 11.4s
Weight (with fuel): 1400kg
200-0kph: 125.7m
Airtemp during test: 17*C
please add the GT2 times to put them into perspective....
Hehehehe, you only want to have confirmation that you bought the right car
The GT2 is a bit faster (7.33 and 1.09,7). However, the Scuderia is probably the more exciting car... Thus, both are great cars
Re: 430 Scuderia Supertest
430 Scuderia
NBR: 7.39
Doettinger Hoehe: 281kph
HHR: 1.10,3
0-100kph: 3.6s
0-200kph: 11.4s
Weight (with fuel): 1400kg
200-0kph: 125.7m
Airtemp during test: 17*C
997 GT2
NBR: 7.33
Doettinger Hoehe: 293kph
HHR: 1:9,7
0-100kph: 3.8s
0-200kph: 11.5s
Weight (with fuel): 1497kg
200-0kph: 134.2m
Airtemp during test: 17*C
NBR: 7.39
Doettinger Hoehe: 281kph
HHR: 1.10,3
0-100kph: 3.6s
0-200kph: 11.4s
Weight (with fuel): 1400kg
200-0kph: 125.7m
Airtemp during test: 17*C
997 GT2
NBR: 7.33
Doettinger Hoehe: 293kph
HHR: 1:9,7
0-100kph: 3.8s
0-200kph: 11.5s
Weight (with fuel): 1497kg
200-0kph: 134.2m
Airtemp during test: 17*C
Re: 430 Scuderia Supertest
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MKSGR said:Quote:
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MKSGR said:
Here are the official results:
NBR: 7.39
Doettinger Hoehe: 281kph
HHR: 1.10,3
0-100kph: 3.6s
0-200kph: 11.4s
Weight (with fuel): 1400kg
200-0kph: 125.7m
Airtemp during test: 17*C
please add the GT2 times to put them into perspective....
Hehehehe, you only want to have confirmation that you bought the right car
The GT2 is a bit faster (7.33 and 1.09,7). However, the Scuderia is probably the more exciting car... Thus, both are great cars
not quite....i always knew i had the right car. even with the carrera S. ferrari is just too flashy for my taste...
i like to wear the labels on the inside
Re: 430 Scuderia Supertest
Hmm...
I do not agree. If you want to wear labels on the inside buy Audi RS6 Avant and delete the RS6 badge.
997 GT2 is as flashy as 430 Scuderia IMO. For example-997 GT2 in Speed Yellow is truly more flashy the Scuderia in Grigio Silverstone. At least IMHO...
As a sportscar both are current SOTA.
I do not agree. If you want to wear labels on the inside buy Audi RS6 Avant and delete the RS6 badge.
997 GT2 is as flashy as 430 Scuderia IMO. For example-997 GT2 in Speed Yellow is truly more flashy the Scuderia in Grigio Silverstone. At least IMHO...
As a sportscar both are current SOTA.
Jun 20, 2008 1:36:50 PM
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Jun 20, 2008 1:52:51 PM
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Re: 430 Scuderia Supertest
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Kreso I guess it depends where you live - where I live a GT2 is perceived as just another 911 (except for the Porschephiles of course), a Ferrari (no matter whether F430 or Scuderia) gets far more attention
+1 most people cannot identify one 911 from the other. so they blend in far more than ferrari or lambo.
the rs6 is understatement, agreed....but it's not a sportscar by any means. the gt2 in my opinion is really the wolf in sheeps clothing.
nobody would ever guess it's a +200k euro car......and i like that.
surely i get more looks in the gt2 than in my turbo. but it has more to do with colour than with anything else. the gt2 being white and the turbo being slate.
Jun 20, 2008 2:05:21 PM
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Re: 430 Scuderia Supertest
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Porsche-Jeck said:
Kreso I guess it depends where you live - where I live a GT2 is perceived as just another 911 (except for the Porschephiles of course), a Ferrari (no matter whether F430 or Scuderia) gets far more attention
+1 most people cannot identify one 911 from the other. so they blend in far more than ferrari or lambo.
the rs6 is understatement, agreed....but it's not a sportscar by any means. the gt2 in my opinion is really the wolf in sheeps clothing.
nobody would ever guess it's a +200k euro car......and i like that.
surely i get more looks in the gt2 than in my turbo. but it has more to do with colour than with anything else. the gt2 being white and the turbo being slate.
I agree. To the uninitiated the GT2 looks like any other 911 with a wing on the back. The Ferrari turns more heads (mine included). The GT3 RS is much flashier than the GT2.
Re: 430 Scuderia Supertest
If you are interested, here are the main reasons I took the Scuderia over the GT2:
- I hate turbos;
- I really wanted to try the 60ms gearbox;
- I wanted to find out what do I really love more, a manual gearbox or a paddle-shifter;
- let's not forget the SOUND, in capitals;
- and I suspect the Scuderia will hold it's value better than a GT2.
About people looking at me: I don't give a damn about it! Anyway I am not using the car in town, only "autobahn mode" and track. So for me that it's not an issue.
After the first 3.000km I suspect the Scuderia it's more of a driver's car than the GT2. I say suspect because I still didn't had a chance to try the new GT2.
- I hate turbos;
- I really wanted to try the 60ms gearbox;
- I wanted to find out what do I really love more, a manual gearbox or a paddle-shifter;
- let's not forget the SOUND, in capitals;
- and I suspect the Scuderia will hold it's value better than a GT2.
About people looking at me: I don't give a damn about it! Anyway I am not using the car in town, only "autobahn mode" and track. So for me that it's not an issue.
After the first 3.000km I suspect the Scuderia it's more of a driver's car than the GT2. I say suspect because I still didn't had a chance to try the new GT2.
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