Jun 13, 2008 11:42:11 AM
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Jun 13, 2008 12:31:29 PM
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Carlos from Spain
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Re: Carrera 4(S) beats 2(S) on track?
The RWD GT3 vs AWD 997TT is not a good comparison for RWD vs AWD since they are completely different cars altogether and many other factors can affect the outcome. The better comparison reference for RWD vs AWD in the 911 is the C2S vs C4S, and the C4S has the edge on a wet track, especially because you can come out of the low grip corners more effectively and also more consistently with less mistakes that cost you time, at least that was my experience on the wet corners. A profesional driver would be able to close that gap between the two do to his extreme sensibility with the steering and throttle coming out of the corners but we are talking about "us" normal Porsche drivers.
Jun 13, 2008 1:18:27 PM
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Carlos from Spain said:
The RWD GT3 vs AWD 997TT is not a good comparison for RWD vs AWD since they are completely different cars altogether and many other factors can affect the outcome. The better comparison reference for RWD vs AWD in the 911 is the C2S vs C4S, and the C4S has the edge on a wet track, especially because you can come out of the low grip corners more effectively and also more consistently with less mistakes that cost you time, at least that was my experience on the wet corners. A profesional driver would be able to close that gap between the two do to his extreme sensibility with the steering and throttle coming out of the corners but we are talking about "us" normal Porsche drivers.
I totally agree.The GT3 is a track-focusing car and the Turbo is an everyday car.
But i doubt that whether a perfesional driver is able to close the gap while a C4S also is driven by a perfesional driver.
Jun 13, 2008 1:22:32 PM
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Carlos from Spain
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deathnell said:But i doubt that whether a perfesional driver is able to close the gap while a C4S also is driven by a perfesional driver.
That is what I meant, in the wet, the difference between the C4S and the C2S is less in a pro's hands, and bigger in the hands of a novice driver.
Jun 13, 2008 1:45:23 PM
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Re: Carrera 4(S) beats 2(S) on track?
Personal preference and the driver make the difference in my view.
I prefer the edgier feel on the limit of 2wd and the 'purer' steering feel. If I lived somewhere with loads of snow/ice I might change my view but I like the C2S just fine even in the wet.
Two evenly matched novices I think would be equal in the dry but the 4wd chassis I with would favour a novice in the wet over 2wd. With a pro I dont suppose there's a lot in it. For the new cars with brake pre-fill on the 2WD, -20mm PASM and a LSD I think the C2S will probably shade the C4S when it arrives as any advantage on braking with the C4S v. weight savings etc on the C2S will be negated.
I prefer the edgier feel on the limit of 2wd and the 'purer' steering feel. If I lived somewhere with loads of snow/ice I might change my view but I like the C2S just fine even in the wet.
Two evenly matched novices I think would be equal in the dry but the 4wd chassis I with would favour a novice in the wet over 2wd. With a pro I dont suppose there's a lot in it. For the new cars with brake pre-fill on the 2WD, -20mm PASM and a LSD I think the C2S will probably shade the C4S when it arrives as any advantage on braking with the C4S v. weight savings etc on the C2S will be negated.
Jun 16, 2008 1:39:40 PM
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Carlos from Spain said:
The RWD GT3 vs AWD 997TT is not a good comparison for RWD vs AWD since they are completely different cars altogether and many other factors can affect the outcome. The better comparison reference for RWD vs AWD in the 911 is the C2S vs C4S, and the C4S has the edge on a wet track, especially because you can come out of the low grip corners more effectively and also more consistently with less mistakes that cost you time, at least that was my experience on the wet corners. A profesional driver would be able to close that gap between the two do to his extreme sensibility with the steering and throttle coming out of the corners but we are talking about "us" normal Porsche drivers.
i agreee that the GT3 vs. the turbo is not the best comparison. I was just throwing that in because it was said that AWD is better in the wet and thats not generally true..
I think, in the hands of an experienced driver, the S will be faster than the 4S on everything but snow.. but it'd be interesting to see such a comparison done professionally...
Jun 16, 2008 6:53:04 PM
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