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Re: PDK on GT3 MKII?
Apparemtly in all their wisdom Porsche don't like what some people call "real paddles".
So they will not segregate their cars into those that get the "real PDK with real paddles" and those that don't. There would be no logic to it. If they liked "real paddles" because they thought they gave an advantage to the driver, they would have no problem fitting them to all their cars. It is not rocket science after all that would be reserved for special cars only.
To be honest with you I find the whole paddle debate very exaggerated to say the least. A normal person can acclimatise to any system and function with it perfectly within a couple of minutes. I drive two different types of automatic on a daily basis without any problem and lso I have no problem getting in my manual Porsche and drive off very naturally.
So they will not segregate their cars into those that get the "real PDK with real paddles" and those that don't. There would be no logic to it. If they liked "real paddles" because they thought they gave an advantage to the driver, they would have no problem fitting them to all their cars. It is not rocket science after all that would be reserved for special cars only.
To be honest with you I find the whole paddle debate very exaggerated to say the least. A normal person can acclimatise to any system and function with it perfectly within a couple of minutes. I drive two different types of automatic on a daily basis without any problem and lso I have no problem getting in my manual Porsche and drive off very naturally.
Re: PDK on GT3 MKII?
My opinion is that the next generation of GT3 will be a modified version of the 3.8 l DFI engine and hence will fit the PDK - we should expect to see 450hp. The PDK bx will only be a slight evolution of that present now adjusted for the additional torque. I suspect the buttons that Porshce have developed will be standard but that paddles will be offered as an option for those wishing to stay with more antiquated gear shifting!!!
Re: PDK on GT3 MKII?
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WR said:
I think the engine size will maintain 3.6L within 997 GT life...
What I know is that the GT3 MkII will be 3.8L and will in manual transmission. I also heard that it will be a bit more powerful than expected to be.
Wow,
, if that is true, i think the HP bump will be more than 30... if it is going to be 3.8L with DFI, I will go and book myself one when it is available... 
Re: PDK on GT3 MKII?
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rfakhri said:Quote:
WR said:
I think the engine size will maintain 3.6L within 997 GT life...
What I know is that the GT3 MkII will be 3.8L and will in manual transmission. I also heard that it will be a bit more powerful than expected to be.
Wow,
If this is true then the GT3 should be stripped of its GT3 badge.
21.06.2008 13:59:00
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Re: PDK on GT3 MKII?
Well, considering the RSR is a 3,8 liter based on the GT3, then it's possible to have a 3,8 liter GT3, no? That way it wouldn't have to be DFI, but then it couldn't have PDK. And since mags are telling us the next GT3 will have PDK, then it will probably not be a GT engine.
If the new C2S has 385 bhp, then the GT3 must have about 440 bhp to stay ahead. I don't think that is realistic power with a 3600 cc engine. Taking in account emissions, etc, I think it is safer to say that the next GT3 will be the 3,8 liter DFI engine. The current GT3 has 115 hp/liter.
Now if you calculate how big a motor would have to be to get the same 115 hp/liter and 440 hp, you get 3,8 liters.
If the new C2S has 385 bhp, then the GT3 must have about 440 bhp to stay ahead. I don't think that is realistic power with a 3600 cc engine. Taking in account emissions, etc, I think it is safer to say that the next GT3 will be the 3,8 liter DFI engine. The current GT3 has 115 hp/liter.
Now if you calculate how big a motor would have to be to get the same 115 hp/liter and 440 hp, you get 3,8 liters.
21.06.2008 15:04:35
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New GT3 engine specification...
It has been suggested that Porsche may have already announced details of the new GT3 engine: it's a 3.6 litre dry-sumped engine with a maximum power output of 440bhp (122.29 bhp/litre), 430Nm of torque and a 8400rpm red-line...
* Porsche GT3 Cup S *
Technical Specifications:
Power Unit
Water-cooled six-cylinder boxer
3,598 cc
Stroke 76.4 mm
Bore 99.98 mm
Max output 440 bhp (324 kW)
Max torque 430 Nm
Max engine speed 8,400 rpm
Four-valve technology
Dry sump lubrication
Two-stage resonance intake distributor
Central air intake
Electronic MS 3.1 engine management
Fuel injection (multi-point, sequential)
Fuel grade 98 RON premium plus unleaded
Transmission
Six-speed gearbox with sequential jaw-type shift
Compressed oil lubrication
Oil/water heat exchanger
Single-mass flywheel
Hydraulic disengagement lever
5.5-inch three-plate carbon-fibre clutch
Limited-slip differential 40/60%
Rear-wheel drive
Source: Porsche AG
...it's also widely recognised as one of the best engine's ever manufactured!
So it may be just a question of whether Porsche offers an option of an alternative transmission (7-speed PDK or perhaps a 6-speed sequential jaw-type shift) to the standard 6-speed manual?!
* Porsche GT3 Cup S *
Technical Specifications:
Power Unit
Water-cooled six-cylinder boxer
3,598 cc
Stroke 76.4 mm
Bore 99.98 mm
Max output 440 bhp (324 kW)
Max torque 430 Nm
Max engine speed 8,400 rpm
Four-valve technology
Dry sump lubrication
Two-stage resonance intake distributor
Central air intake
Electronic MS 3.1 engine management
Fuel injection (multi-point, sequential)
Fuel grade 98 RON premium plus unleaded
Transmission
Six-speed gearbox with sequential jaw-type shift
Compressed oil lubrication
Oil/water heat exchanger
Single-mass flywheel
Hydraulic disengagement lever
5.5-inch three-plate carbon-fibre clutch
Limited-slip differential 40/60%
Rear-wheel drive
Source: Porsche AG
...it's also widely recognised as one of the best engine's ever manufactured!
So it may be just a question of whether Porsche offers an option of an alternative transmission (7-speed PDK or perhaps a 6-speed sequential jaw-type shift) to the standard 6-speed manual?!
22.06.2008 03:37:38
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Re: PDK on GT3 MKII?
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How are Porsche going to attach the Carrera PDK gearbox to the GT3 block? GT3 uses a different bolt pattern (VW beetle pattern). I can't imagine Porsche making another version of PDK gearbox just for GT3 and Turbo.
I thought one of the reasons PDK was delayed for so long was that fact that it couldnt handle (yet) being fitted to the Turbo?
I find it hard to believe that Porsche design the PDK to replace the Tiptronic only to leave the slushbox in one of their flagship models.
Personally I hope the GT3 does get PDK. Anyone actually know whether porsche have signalled it will?
Re: PDK on GT3 MKII?
If that rumour is true than it will be a pretty special paradox and there would be two ways to look at it, depending on your personal preference:
1) PDK GT3, Manual RS
In this case Porsche would sort of declare that PDK is for wussies and that the manly manual is the hardcore way to go.
2) Manual GT3, PDK RS
Porsche would declare that PDK is the real performance advantage to have and that the manual is only for those good ol' day lovers like some of us here.
Personally, I think both cars will be manual and both cars will have PDK as an option.
Much like what Ferrari does, although it's truethat the Scuderia has only the F1 gearbox as standard, nothing else.
1) PDK GT3, Manual RS
In this case Porsche would sort of declare that PDK is for wussies and that the manly manual is the hardcore way to go.
2) Manual GT3, PDK RS
Porsche would declare that PDK is the real performance advantage to have and that the manual is only for those good ol' day lovers like some of us here.
Personally, I think both cars will be manual and both cars will have PDK as an option.
Much like what Ferrari does, although it's truethat the Scuderia has only the F1 gearbox as standard, nothing else.
29.06.2008 17:29:56
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30.06.2008 00:36:21
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Re: PDK on GT3 MKII?
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with a PDK like what I have seen on a couple of clips, the GT3 is better off staying in manual form... looks to me like simply a faster tiptronic... still lacks the heart and soul of the gearboxes in a scuderia or an M5...
I listen to this debate all of the time and think its quite amusing. First off, anyone who doesn't think clutchless shifting is engaging doesn't get it - its all about left foot braking. Why do virtually all modern race cars (for quite some time now...) have clutchless shifting? Performing a perfect left foot brake exercise, lifting off the brake at exactly the right time is about as engaging as it gets. On a race track. this amounts to rotating the car and is an incredible feeling when done to perfection.
If anyone thinks this is easy - give it a try on a race track - its akin to throwing with your left hand if you are righthanded. Granted everything is toned-down for the street (as it has to be...), but the idea is still the same.
The last time I drove a race car that actually required a clutch to shift was a circa 1970's formula ford (where I couldn't get my left foot over on the brake if I wanted to).
BTW - real men don't have ABS and have drum brakes on their cars. Otherwise, its just not engaging! Also why do the "only a manual is engaging" people allow syncho's in their transmissions? It seems much less engaging than making the perfect shift with a real manual transmission.
30.06.2008 05:01:10
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Re: PDK on GT3 MKII?
come on... that's too much... drum brakes... synchros... the manual gearbox means a third peddal, and a stick in your hand (keep freud asleep ), which means more effort... plus, that clutch peddal gives more ways to manipulate the power delivery of your car... I am not sure when was the last time you took out a manual car for a spin, but it IS more demanding... and yes, fred flinstone's car is even more demanding and probably engaging (when racing home from work 
), but we don't have to go that far
), which means more effort... plus, that clutch peddal gives more ways to manipulate the power delivery of your car... I am not sure when was the last time you took out a manual car for a spin, but it IS more demanding... and yes, fred flinstone's car is even more demanding and probably engaging (when racing home from work ), but we don't have to go that far
Re: PDK on GT3 MKII?
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reginos said:
Apparemtly in all their wisdom Porsche don't like what some people call "real paddles".
So they will not segregate their cars into those that get the "real PDK with real paddles" and those that don't. There would be no logic to it. If they liked "real paddles" because they thought they gave an advantage to the driver, they would have no problem fitting them to all their cars. It is not rocket science after all that would be reserved for special cars only.
To be honest with you I find the whole paddle debate very exaggerated to say the least. A normal person can acclimatise to any system and function with it perfectly within a couple of minutes. I drive two different types of automatic on a daily basis without any problem and lso I have no problem getting in my manual Porsche and drive off very naturally.
BMW did this with /M and non /M SMG equipped cars. - lower cars had tiptronic style buttons, M3/5/6 had proper F1 style paddles.
In reference to the original topic... now that PDK is out in the open, its almost a shoe-in the be included on the new Turbo/GT cars
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