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May 27, 2008 5:58:16 PM

Marwan Arakji: Senior; Loc: Lebanon , Lebanon; Posts: 572, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 11, 2006

430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

If you had the choice of either, and you live in a country where it rains 60 days a week, which one would you go for? and which one you think will retain more value? I won't be tracking the car, and this is my 1st such Ferrari, besides an F355 in 1999, and a 365 GTC4 just last year... Thanks

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May 27, 2008 6:31:08 PM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: Marwan Arakji

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

scud. absolutely no question

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May 27, 2008 6:38:07 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8856, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: intouch1

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

come on !!!! no question . Scud is the way to go for u !

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May 27, 2008 7:06:45 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12588, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Enmanuel

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

Only reason I might choose not to have Scud would be to get great gated manual shifter...

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May 27, 2008 8:03:21 PM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: Grant

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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Grant said:
Only reason I might choose not to have Scud would be to get great gated manual shifter...

or a 997 GT2

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May 27, 2008 8:30:11 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Marwan Arakji

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

I have not driven the Scud but spent a lot of driving time in the 360CS. No doubt the hardcore 430 Scud is a performance car but if your interested in the "fun factor" get yourself a Spider. With the top down, engine and exhaust roar behind you, the wind and outside noise swirling around you there in NOTHING to match the Spider for shear fun and exhiliration.

The CS was exciting to drive for about a 1/2 hour then it became too raw. Between the ride and road noise invading the cabin it does not take long to get a headache. NO doubt a great track car but for city driving forget it.

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May 27, 2008 10:14:18 PM

JohnJohn: Senior; Loc: Sweden; Posts: 555, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 22, 2005; Reply to: nberry

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

Nick might be right, but I'd still take the Scud every time.

I remember the pics of your beautiful 365 GTC4. What happened to it, do you still have it or have you sold it?

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May 27, 2008 10:21:10 PM

ha: Expert; Loc: Riyadh , Saudi Arabia; Posts: 1695, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2003; Reply to: nberry

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

The asphalt in Beirut is similar to the one in Riyadh. Its very fine and slippery. You'll be losing a lot of grip on take offs, so the advantage of the more powerful scud will be rendered useless. I would consider the 4 wheel drive Gallardo 560 if I was you.

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May 27, 2008 11:19:29 PM

Jeff (in SF): Pilot; Loc: SF, CA, USA , United States; Posts: 340, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 13, 2003; Reply to: Marwan Arakji

60 days a week? I'd go with an Amphicar..

if it rained that much.

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May 28, 2008 10:53:17 AM

Tarek_K: Junior; Loc: Cairo - Egypt; Posts: 139, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 1, 2007; Reply to: Marwan Arakji

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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Marwan Arakji said:
If you had the choice of either, and you live in a country where it rains 60 days a week, which one would you go for? and which one you think will retain more value? I won't be tracking the car, and this is my 1st such Ferrari, besides an F355 in 1999, and a 365 GTC4 just last year... Thanks

Definitely a Scuderia.

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May 28, 2008 10:53:45 AM

boytronic: Veteran; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 961, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 5, 2005; Reply to: Jeff (in SF)

Re: 60 days a week? I'd go with an Amphicar..

Nick is right... If you're not going to track it, and want to have fun at legal speeds too, then go for the Spider - it's a no brainer. Though the Scud will probably hold it's value better in the long term.

60 days of rain is small - come to England and see how much rain we have... but we still have a lot of convertibles!

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May 28, 2008 10:58:29 AM

Tarek_K: Junior; Loc: Cairo - Egypt; Posts: 139, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 1, 2007; Reply to: Marwan Arakji

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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Marwan Arakji said:
.........and you live in a country where it rains 60 days a week..........

In my part of the world, a week has only 7 days

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May 28, 2008 10:59:43 AM

Tarek_K: Junior; Loc: Cairo - Egypt; Posts: 139, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 1, 2007; Reply to: Jeff (in SF)

Re: 60 days a week? I'd go with an Amphicar..

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Jeff (in SF) said:
if it rained that much.

Yeah, 60 days a week

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May 28, 2008 11:12:04 AM

Moogle: Rennteam Master; Loc: Bay Area , United States; Posts: 5019, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 9, 2003; Reply to: Tarek_K

Re: 60 days a week? I'd go with an Amphicar..

I'd take the scud at MSRP, sell it at "market" and buy a GT3RS plus something else for cruising. Lol

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May 28, 2008 12:04:02 PM

Marwan Arakji: Senior; Loc: Lebanon , Lebanon; Posts: 572, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 11, 2006; Reply to: JohnJohn

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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JohnJohn said:
Nick might be right, but I'd still take the Scud every time.

I remember the pics of your beautiful 365 GTC4. What happened to it, do you still have it or have you sold it?

sold it to a very close friend for the same price i got it, conditional he never sells it back except to me

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May 28, 2008 12:07:37 PM

Marwan Arakji: Senior; Loc: Lebanon , Lebanon; Posts: 572, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 11, 2006; Reply to: Jeff (in SF)

Re: 60 days a week? I'd go with an Amphicar..

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Jeff (in SF) said:
if it rained that much.

sorry, 60 days a YEAR

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May 28, 2008 12:08:26 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12682, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Marwan Arakji

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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Marwan Arakji said:
If you had the choice of either, and you live in a country where it rains 60 days a week, which one would you go for? and which one you think will retain more value? I won't be tracking the car, and this is my 1st such Ferrari, besides an F355 in 1999, and a 365 GTC4 just last year... Thanks

Have you thought about the F142?

F430 Spider is fine, but it's quite an old car, especially if compared to the 599 and now even California. Scuderia is best you can get from that old concept, but it's very raw, usable for sunny Sunday morning driving and track experiences mainly.

F142 may just be what you want: at least as quick as the Scuderia, new technology as California, totally new design. Expect price to be slightly below Scuderia, so that would fit as well.

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May 28, 2008 12:35:22 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

If you will use the car on the road and partly for posing (no offence meant) in Lebanon, go for the Spider, preferably in Yellow. If you are not very anxious, wait for the California, which will fulfill the role of the fast and exclusive sportscar/poseur machine even more effectively than the 430.

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May 28, 2008 7:01:33 PM

Marwan Arakji: Senior; Loc: Lebanon , Lebanon; Posts: 572, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 11, 2006; Reply to: reginos

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

the F142 will be introduced in paris 2009, i.e. delivery early 2010 for the berlinetta... the spider will follow and be delivered early 2011... so that's out of the question... as for the F149, i AM GREATLY DISAPPOINTED... don't see it as a true ferrari... more like a Benz SL or maserati... VERY DISAPPOINTED with the design... honestly?? the car ain't for posing... posing in such a car around here can do me more harm than good... on the other hand, i can drive it hard late at night or early sunday mornings... and it's the exclusivety of the scud and its rawness that is appealing to me... plus the fact that I got it at probably the lowest MSRP in the world, in USD, and i can resell it a year later and turn a profit... but still, a 430 spider makes more sense for lebanon... and an LP560 spider (when out), would even make more sense! I'm just worried of not being able to make the most out of a scud around here...

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May 28, 2008 8:44:57 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12682, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Marwan Arakji

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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Marwan Arakji said:
the F142 will be introduced in paris 2009, i.e. delivery early 2010 for the berlinetta... the spider will follow and be delivered early 2011... so that's out of the question... as for the F149, i AM GREATLY DISAPPOINTED... don't see it as a true ferrari... more like a Benz SL or maserati... VERY DISAPPOINTED with the design... honestly?? the car ain't for posing... posing in such a car around here can do me more harm than good... on the other hand, i can drive it hard late at night or early sunday mornings... and it's the exclusivety of the scud and its rawness that is appealing to me... plus the fact that I got it at probably the lowest MSRP in the world, in USD, and i can resell it a year later and turn a profit... but still, a 430 spider makes more sense for lebanon... and an LP560 spider (when out), would even make more sense! I'm just worried of not being able to make the most out of a scud around here...

Buy a Scuderia ASAP (when will that be? early 2009?), drive it for one year and decide after the presentation of the F142 if you want to get it or not. Perhaps you will have enough of the race car feeling of the Scuderia by then or OTOH you are not interested in the softer F142 at all. Either way, you can't go wrong.

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May 28, 2008 8:48:02 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Marwan Arakji

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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Marwan Arakji said:
the F142 will be introduced in paris 2009, i.e. delivery early 2010 for the berlinetta... the spider will follow and be delivered early 2011... so that's out of the question... as for the F149, i AM GREATLY DISAPPOINTED... don't see it as a true ferrari... more like a Benz SL or maserati... VERY DISAPPOINTED with the design... honestly?? the car ain't for posing... posing in such a car around here can do me more harm than good... on the other hand, i can drive it hard late at night or early sunday mornings... and it's the exclusivety of the scud and its rawness that is appealing to me... plus the fact that I got it at probably the lowest MSRP in the world, in USD, and i can resell it a year later and turn a profit... but still, a 430 spider makes more sense for lebanon... and an LP560 spider (when out), would even make more sense! I'm just worried of not being able to make the most out of a scud around here...

Get the 430 spider in yellow then. The scuderia is more of a track car and more raw but if you opt for the spider you will not be getting a soft car anyway. On the kind of routes I envisage you will be enjoying the car, a 430 spider makes more sense IMO.

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May 28, 2008 9:29:12 PM

Discover: Senior; Loc: Israel; Posts: 711, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 17, 2005; Reply to: nberry

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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nberry said:if your interested in the "fun factor" get yourself a Spider. With the top down, engine and exhaust roar behind you, the wind and outside noise swirling around you there in NOTHING to match the Spider for shear fun and exhiliration.

1+

there is nothing like a cabrio\roadster\spider for pure fun

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May 29, 2008 8:18:11 AM

Georges G. Hayek: Senior; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 650, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2006; Reply to: Discover

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

.......... U can't be serious Marwan.............

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May 29, 2008 8:33:32 AM

Marwan Arakji: Senior; Loc: Lebanon , Lebanon; Posts: 572, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 11, 2006; Reply to: Georges G. Hayek

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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Georges G. Hayek said:
.......... U can't be serious Marwan.............

tayeb badna netssalla shway 3ala rennteam!!!

kess ekhta ba3ed fi 5 months!!! LAH MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

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May 29, 2008 8:51:16 AM

Georges G. Hayek: Senior; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 650, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2006; Reply to: Marwan Arakji

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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Marwan Arakji said:
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Georges G. Hayek said:
.......... U can't be serious Marwan.............

tayeb badna netssalla shway 3ala rennteam!!!

kess ekhta ba3ed fi 5 months!!! LAH MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

Fakkaret 3am bet Jinn :P

Bi khsous el natra, ana metet w 3ashet 1000 marra :S

BTW, I have the count down on my iPhone... I'm checking it every 5 minutes... hoping for a miracle to happen... By the time it arrives you'll find me in the 3assfourieh for sure

143 days to do for the 20th of October @ 10:10 am

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May 29, 2008 10:49:02 AM

joo22us: Junior; Loc: So Cal, US; Posts: 58, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 22, 2007; Reply to: Georges G. Hayek

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

I may be speaking for only myself but...I suspect that 99% of the drivers overestimate their driving ability. I highly doubt that the average or above-average driver here can push the limits of a F430 Spider. So to say only the Scuderia will suffice as far as performance is to overrate one's own driving skills. That is like a golfer who has a swing speed of 85 mph trying to choose between a Stiff and Extra-Stiff shaft when he should be swinging a Regular flex shaft. Only a very select few Tour players should be swinging an Extra-Stiff shaft.

Basically IMO 99% of the drivers here will not miss any "performance" with the Spider but they will miss the fun and excitement, as well as the all-important "poseur" value if they go with the Scud.

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May 29, 2008 1:47:47 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: joo22us

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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joo22us said:
I may be speaking for only myself but...I suspect that 99% of the drivers overestimate their driving ability. I highly doubt that the average or above-average driver here can push the limits of a F430 Spider. So to say only the Scuderia will suffice as far as performance is to overrate one's own driving skills ... Basically IMO 99% of the drivers here will not miss any "performance" with the Spider but they will miss the fun and excitement, as well as the all-important "poseur" value if they go with the Scud.

I agree.

But I suspect many people wouldn't want to admit this.

Having said that, I haven't driven either of these 2 cars so I couldn't comment from actual experience. Some of the guys here have driven both and can therefore speak more authoritatively.

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May 29, 2008 3:01:05 PM

ha: Expert; Loc: Riyadh , Saudi Arabia; Posts: 1695, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2003; Reply to: joo22us

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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joo22us said:
I may be speaking for only myself but...I suspect that 99% of the drivers overestimate their driving ability..

Thats true til you reach the ages of late 30s/early 40s and thats when it downs on you that you've been an average driver all along. Of course when you are in your 50s or 60s you realize that you were even bellow average!

However no matter what age you are if you are a lebanese you'll allways think you are better than Schumi.

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May 29, 2008 3:13:20 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: ha

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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ha said:
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joo22us said:
I may be speaking for only myself but...I suspect that 99% of the drivers overestimate their driving ability..

Thats true til you reach the ages of late 30s/early 40s and thats when it downs on you that you've been an average driver all along. Of course when you are in your 50s or 60s you realize that you were even bellow average!

However no matter what age you are if you are a lebanese you'll allways think you are better than Schumi.

of course i am!!

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May 29, 2008 5:23:29 PM

Marwan Arakji: Senior; Loc: Lebanon , Lebanon; Posts: 572, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 11, 2006; Reply to: dhayek

Re: 430 Scuderia versus 430 Spider

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dhayek said:
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ha said:
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joo22us said:
I may be speaking for only myself but...I suspect that 99% of the drivers overestimate their driving ability..

Thats true til you reach the ages of late 30s/early 40s and thats when it downs on you that you've been an average driver all along. Of course when you are in your 50s or 60s you realize that you were even bellow average!

However no matter what age you are if you are a lebanese you'll allways think you are better than Schumi.

of course i am!!

I am too! WALAW! SchumaWho??? hahaha

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