Jun 14, 2018 8:03:01 PM
SciFrog:And at what price? Logically it should be cheaper than the Mission E so $70k?
Not necessarily as economics will still dictate a higher price for EVs because the battery pack is extremely costly to manufacture. While in the future, EVs will hold a cost advantage over ICEs, it will only be through economics of scale will the costs fall to replace fossil fueled cars. This will take time so pricing is more dependent on range parameters than model classification.
Jun 14, 2018 8:21:46 PM
SciFrog:And at what price? Logically it should be cheaper than the Mission E so $70k?
I think the new Jag I-Pace (not to be mistaken with the F pace) would interest you....... Starting price in US before any incentives is $69.5k
Jun 14, 2018 10:57:39 PM
Just a small tidbit. From the videos and photos spied from the car, it appears there´s going to be 2 headlight versions. One more "conventional?" and another that looks very similar to the prototype.
This is the way this post ends, not with a bang but with a wisper, WOSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Jun 15, 2018 1:50:10 AM
Jun 15, 2018 1:51:36 AM
Wonderbar:Good analysis, but I’m betting that battery technology will improve at a very high-level, keeping costs down in the future
One reason I would never ever buy an EV (or even hybrid) because the tech could be obsolete in a year or two and you will find it very very difficult to sell that particular car in the process. Won't be easy for car manufacturers.
I think the "fast obsolete tech" is a rising issue which hasn't been addressed yet in a fully satisfactory way. This will have a deep impact on future car productions, manufacturers and the used car market.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)
RC:Wonderbar:Good analysis, but I’m betting that battery technology will improve at a very high-level, keeping costs down in the future
One reason I would never ever buy an EV (or even hybrid) because the tech could be obsolete in a year or two and you will find it very very difficult to sell that particular car in the process. Won't be easy for car manufacturers.
I think the "fast obsolete tech" is a rising issue which hasn't been addressed yet in a fully satisfactory way. This will have a deep impact on future car productions, manufacturers and the used car market.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)
Technology doesn’t move that fast. Especially German manufacturers will be very slow at rolling new technology to preserve their margins. Tesla will roll it out faster but even them doesn’t have major advances every year. Cars are not like phones anyway, you cannot have the latest greatest always...
RC:One reason I would never ever buy an EV (or even hybrid) because the tech could be obsolete in a year or two and you will find it very very difficult to sell that particular car in the process. Won't be easy for car .
Not a problem if dealer can continue to service and maintain the car. Drivers that paid for their cars do not switch very often.
Tim
2010 997.2 GT3RS; 2008 Cayenne Turbo; 2006 911 Club Coupe; 2016 911 GTS Club Coupe; 2015 Macan S
SciFrog:RC:Wonderbar:Good analysis, but I’m betting that battery technology will improve at a very high-level, keeping costs down in the future
One reason I would never ever buy an EV (or even hybrid) because the tech could be obsolete in a year or two and you will find it very very difficult to sell that particular car in the process. Won't be easy for car manufacturers.
I think the "fast obsolete tech" is a rising issue which hasn't been addressed yet in a fully satisfactory way. This will have a deep impact on future car productions, manufacturers and the used car market.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)
Technology doesn’t move that fast. Especially German manufacturers will be very slow at rolling new technology to preserve their margins. Tesla will roll it out faster but even them doesn’t have major advances every year. Cars are not like phones anyway, you cannot have the latest greatest always...
In the beginning, it will change fast and the problem isn't necessarily how fast the tech itself is changing, it is about components and batteries and I think that there is going to be a serious issue. I hope I'm wrong.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)
SciFrog:Tesla has had cars out for years without an issue... Of course they battery swap tech is genius but they didn’t even need to use it...
Tesla was one company, there was no real competition. Now the EV train started moving, with new products coming from many many companies and new innovations will follow as well. Over the next decade or so, we are going to see some interesting developments but no matter what will be available, it will be obsolete soon. Repairing this stuff will be difficult. Just try to find spare parts for an iPhone 1.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)
Jun 22, 2018 6:40:50 PM
Jun 22, 2018 6:42:04 PM
4trac:So this Mission E will do lurid poweslides? Cool...
No, no, the pic was taken shortly before parking the car in the chicane, after the rear e-motor overheated.
We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
The concept was a parsec ahead of any Tesla, the production version while tamed down is still light years ahead.
Tesla needs to up their game big time in order to stay relevant. Fit and finish, styling, handling, technology, pretty much everything.
Well maybe not the name, Taycan is seriously bad.